Crystal ball time.... by Wishimay

Obama wins. A lot of right wingers are fundamentalist Christians and as much as they may tell folk they're "for Romney," when they are alone in the voting booth they won't be able to bring themselves to vote for a satanic cultist. It'll be interesting because there should be a noticeable discrepancy between exit polls saying yea Romney and actual votes counted from folks who couldn't pull for the Mormon. This will fuel a lot of very nasty insinuations from the right and there will be protests and I am here predicting that there will be armed violence coming from the right after the election. I can't tell how bad it's gonna get in general, but in some quarters it's gonna get pretty bad. Not Zombie Apocalypse bad, but overturning cars and setting fires bad and some shootings. There's gonna be an uptick in violent crimes against black people. I've got plenty more in my crystal ball but I've already strayed pretty far from the question at hand.

Obama wins decisively in the EC, and not so decisively if at all in the popular vote.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Sunday, October 28, 2012 8:39 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

I don't want either of them to win, but truthfully, I don't see how Obama even has decent polls now. We're all, the middle class I mean, a lot more poorer now than we were when GWB left office, granted his administration may have gotten that ball rolling for all of us.

According to a recent paper I read, over 40% of kids in the US today get free lunch. 40%!!!! I'm sure the national figure was a lot higher, but at my HS, only like 3 kids had it and I sure wouldn't want to have been on the receiving end of the jokes made at their expense when they didn't pay for their food with actual money. :(

The article wasn't about how appalling that figure is, but it was using that as a statistic to show how appalling that only less than 12% got free breakfast when they're obviously starving at home!

WTF?

What do these kids eat come summer break! I LOVED summer break when I was a kid, but not so much if I had to beat up other kids for food or get beat up for my food. (DISCLAIMER: I lived in a 2 bedroom house with my 2 brothers and shared a bunk bed with a pull out trundle that couldn't even be elevated because it hit the dressers before it cleared the bottom bunk).

We always had food and water and I'm sure we made our parents lives hell asking for video games and such on their divorced incomes.... We lived in a house the size of what Obama's or Romney's servants would call a bathroom.

We always ate though. And thought I didn't understand it I always felt bad for Jeff in my Kintergarten class who got his milk for free, and why he would. Looking back on it, my teacher Ms. Casey was a real bitch for letting us know that.

No need to worry about those feelings now though I guess since nearly 50% get free milk, huh?

Republicans = Trickle down wealth......

Democrats = Start 'em young and unable to take care of themselves without government freebies and make it trickle up.....

In 20 years, every meaningful city in this country will resemble Gary, IN.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Monday, October 29, 2012 12:55 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Obama isn't for free lunch, didn't you hear, he wants everyone to pay their fair share. How dare those pesky kids think they can get away with free lunch and free milk.

Honestly, those 47% good-for-nothing n'er-do-wells.

Still though, have you ever tried to cut into a slab of guvmint cheese. Boy oh boy, that was eatin' Ahhhhhh, memories. Well, at 10 years old it was better than working for a living.

Just think how much better off we'd be after Romney wins. Jobs for everyone, balanced budget, no wars and those lazy 47% SOBs will finally have to work for a living. Lilly Ledbedder would finally go back into the kitchen where she belongs and a certain European leftist would sent back to Kenya where he belongs.

Why he may even bring back the Packard, or was it the Edsel? Yes, Mitt, Mitt he's our man.......

This just in: Mitt Romney Wins Presidency, Reveals He's Really a Mexican Posing as A Rich White Dude.

Ann Says: After 5 boys, should have known. He humped me like a rabbit in heat, the man was insatiable, he wore me out. He just leans on me and I get pregnant.

SGG

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Monday, October 29, 2012 3:39 AM

JONGSSTRAW

The electoral vote ends in a tie 270-270.

The majority Republicans in the House select Ronald Reagan for President, but right before the final vote is cast someone reminds John Boehner that Reagan is dead. When he finds out about that he asks who the Republican nominee is, and then they choose Romney as President.

The majority Democrats in the Senate get into a heated battle over who will be VP. It comes down to Joe Biden or Ellen DeGeneres. DeGeneres prevails, and becomes the first female VP in American history. Plus she's gay.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 1:04 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Quote:
Romney supporters aren't Romney supporters per se but Obama haters

I've believed that for a long, long time. What saddens/scares me about that what it says about racism still being alive and well in the U.S.--subconsciously if not consciously.

I'm not going to predict, I'm too afraid to at this point. A Romney administration scares the hell out of me. Not because of what HE'd do if it were up to him, I think he'll always twist with the wind, but beause I think the real power would be with Ryan, the Tea Party and all those Bush advisors who work for him, and that what they'd do to the country if they got power would be devastating.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Obama is just as much European as he is African ancestrally, people always seem to forget that. At any rate I could care less what his ethnic background is and I don't see how its relevent to his policies, his opinions or anything else of substance. I don't support him as president again, but assuming that I don't support him because of his "race" is childish and simplistic.

That being said I don't support Romney either, he's a loser. I predict Obama will whin again though.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, October 29, 2012 8:19 PM

rezident owtsidr

I predict Obama.

I want him to win, but I base this on the track record uv hiz biggest asset: Romney!

He iz a serial blunderer, and, if he haznt alredy with hiz China Jeep commercialz, he will say sumthing so stupid in the next week to piss off hiz base so bad they wont bother to vote, or will go for a 3rd party candidate.

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Monday, October 29, 2012 11:59 PM

rezident owtsidr

PS

Do you know therez a commentator on MSNBC named Krystal Ball?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krystal_Ball

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Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:49 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:
Romney supporters aren't Romney supporters per se but Obama haters
I've believed that for a long, long time. What saddens/scares me about that what it says about racism still being alive and well in the U.S.--subconsciously if not consciously.

Did you consciously or subconsciously draw the conclusion that people who dislike Obama must be racist?

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Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:47 AM

Neither. You need to use your critical thinking skills. Just because racism OBVIOUSLY plays a part in the Republican ("Southern") strategy, doesn't mean everyone who votes for someone other than Obama is racist. Kinda interesting that folk on the right keep misunderstanding that point.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:57 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Joe, I'm one of those people who voted third party, Pacific Green to be exact, I figured any third party candidate would do to send the message that I'm not interested in the two choices proffered.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:16 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Quote:
Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:
Romney supporters aren't Romney supporters per se but Obama haters
I've believed that for a long, long time. What saddens/scares me about that what it says about racism still being alive and well in the U.S.--subconsciously if not consciously.

Did you consciously or subconsciously draw the conclusion that people who dislike Obama must be racist?

Niki apparently drew the conclusion that a significant amount of the hatred out there directed at Obama comes out of racism. Is she wrong?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:36 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

KPO and Cav answered well for me (KPO, of COURSE he thinks I'm wrong, silly one--how many times have they screamed that there's no racist component to wanting to defeat Obama right HERE?). I'm afraid I have to call bullshit on the repeated tactic of "if you don't agree with people, you call them ...". It's a stupid tactic, gets the person saying it nowhere, and just shows a dearth of logic. Equally so the cries that "the left calls everything racism". Sometimes it HAS been called racism when it's not, but the vast majority of the time it is a planned tactic to appeal to racism, whether conscious or subconscious.

The birth certificate thing, the "He needs to behave more like an American", "Do we still call it a White House", and so much, MUCH more show that politicians know about the conscious/subconscious racism (and creating the "otherness" of your opponent) and have played to it for all they're worth...quite effectively. It's the VISCERAL hatred that eventually convinced me (AGAINST what I wanted to believe, by the way).

I have absolutely NO problem with people who want to defeat Obama for rational reasons, or who disagree with me. He's failed on numerous fronts, but in my opinion he hasn't been nearly as disasterous for this country as Republicans like to scream from the highest mountain top...in fact I think he's done perhaps the best anyone could do to dig us out of this shit hole. Many things I don't like about him, but I don't like them on a logical level (with bias on some issues where I SHOULD like them, no doubt).

The Southern Strategy is real; it's been proven, it's even been admitted to by some on the right--even some politicians. What they've done to try and defeat Obama is just another version; they learned racism is a strong motivator, whether conscious or subconscious, and from the Southern Strategy they learned many things which have stood them in good stead in their efforts to defeat Obama.

I did not want to believe racism was such a big component of those trying to defeat him. I also DID not (not even didn't want to) believe the Republican Party would ACTUALLY obstruct just about everything, even things that were for the good of the country. I have been forced to change my opinion on both those issues by watching what has happened to this country the past 3-1/2 years. Both sicken me, but I've been literally FORCED to accept their truth.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:36 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I should hope she's wrong, I know she's wrong in my case, though I don't think you could call my lack of support for Obama getting a second term hatred, I don't feel particularly hateful about the whole affair. But I don't want Romney running things either, no matter what happens I'll be dissatisfied.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:42 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Riona, of course I don't mean you--or the MILLIONS of other people who don't want Obama for a second term and/or are voting for Romney for reasons they have thought out. My reason for backing Obama is a fair amount of "I don't want Romney running things"--and from what I've learned, I firmly believe it WOULDN'T be Romney running things--it would be Ryan, the Tea Party, and the same people who "ran" Dubya. THEY actually scare me a lot more than Romney, who mostly blows with the wind. But he WILL blow with the wind, I believe, and they are the wind that would sweep across this nation to its detriment.

Heard a right-wing pundit arguing that Romney has been pro-choice, believed in global warming, etc., and that once in office, he would return to the middle. The response was that he'll want a second term, and to get one, he has to swing right just like he did in the primary. I believe that to be true. I hope we don't get the chance to find out.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:58 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Bah, the fix was in MONTHS ago, Obama by 12-15 pts
That's before the inevitable "electronic advantage" weighs in on the back of various vote suppression tactics by the GOP, so even a slim margin "win" means in essence a complete repudiation, here.

I however WILL be tremendously entertained if the GOP's insanity and just plain sheer mean dickheadedness provokes a tidal wave, they're already pissed away the elderly and female as voting blocs, so what they got left but a TINY minority of exceptionally loud and obnoxious jackboot lickers ?

-F

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Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:04 PM

rezident owtsidr

I dont think its fair for anywun to be disappointed in Obama, Rionaeire. Therez no telling how much more he coud hav gotten dun if haf the country wuznt working against him.

The Republicanz decided they are Republicanz first, Americanz second.

I think it woud be great to do away with partyz all together; make it illegal to make decisionz based on party.

The way it iz now, its like trying to run a factory in wich all the employeez are memberz uv either uv 2 street gangz - all they do iz work against each other, including sabatajing each otherz work, thus ruining the product and eventually bringing the company down.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:56 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Reminds me of something

Europe English
The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU rather than German which was the other possibility.

As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year phase-in plan that would be known as "Euro-English".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be ekspekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away.

By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.

After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen world!

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:18 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
I dont think its fair for anywun to be disappointed in Obama, Rionaeire. Therez no telling how much more he coud hav gotten dun if haf the country wuznt working against him.

The Republicanz decided they are Republicanz first, Americanz second.

I think it woud be great to do away with partyz all together; make it illegal to make decisionz based on party.

The way it iz now, its like trying to run a factory in wich all the employeez are memberz uv either uv 2 street gangz - all they do iz work against each other, including sabatajing each otherz work, thus ruining the product and eventually bringing the company down.

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Why do your write like this?

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen world!

Ha! Brilliant!

Back on topic, I admit to being annoyed by all the "they must hate O because he's black" stuff. OK, clearly racism is still, sadly, alive and well in the USofA. But the hatred of O is not so simple as black-therefore-evil. Really, we can't overlook how even the most backwards cons loved Herman Cain. And Clarence Thomas (?)

I don't know exactly what to call what it really is, except a hatred of the "Other". In these RWA minds, someone who looks Other on top of acting Other and espousing the polices of Other is evil. But someone who looks Other can be forgiven if they act and talk Non-Other. A black person in power is OK as long as they are 100% on the right side of the issues. And I do mean the Right side. /snicker

There might an indirect racism, based on how Obama's presidency and his background bring racial issues to light that some people would rather avoid. That might stir up a kind of latent aggression. But I think it's over simplifying to think anyone who hates O hates him just because he's black.

My crystal ball: I bet that if a black man (or even a black woman) ran for president in 2016 on a hard-core Tea Party platform, they'd be loved by the TPers. I don't think I'll get a chance to test this, so I can only point to Hermann Cain. His blackness didn't matter. There, issues trumped skin color.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:32 AM

Magons, this prompts me to respond in leet. Does anyone really want that outcome?

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:40 AM

rezident owtsidr

To wear out the spelling cop in everybodyz brainz.

It actually haz a direct connection to this topic!

The republican party haz been able to get away with foisting all sorts uv total nonsense upon the public only bekuz we hav been conditioned to accept it our whole livez. Goofy English spelling iz forced upon children while they are in their formative yirz, training them to accept everything handed down from Authority without question. Politicianz depend on this and count on most people not bothering to check their claimz.

Romney and Ryan hav amped this up to a whole new level, not only blathering out all sorts uv spur uv the moment 'statistics', 'facts', 'lojik', and general claimz, but constantly contradicting themselvez directly or thru their spokespersonz. Gullibility iz their best frend.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
But I think it's over simplifying to think anyone who hates O hates him just because he's black.

And everyone here agrees with you. Who are you arguing against?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
But I think it's over simplifying to think anyone who hates O hates him just because he's black.

And everyone here agrees with you. Who are you arguing against?

Mostly Niki, bless her heart. Also, many random commenters about the net go with the racism thing. It's not exactly uncommon. I don't tend to post anywhere else, so all the venting comes out here.

Niki - you do seem to jump to racism faster than I'd like. I don't always get to every word of your posts, so maybe I missed it, but I don't see you allowing for the complexities of the situation.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:10 AM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
To wear out the spelling cop in everybodyz brainz.

It actually haz a direct connection to this topic!

The republican party haz been able to get away with foisting all sorts uv total nonsense upon the public only bekuz we hav been conditioned to accept it our whole livez. Goofy English spelling iz forced upon children while they are in their formative yirz, training them to accept everything handed down from Authority without question. Politicianz depend on this and count on most people not bothering to check their claimz.

So it is spelling's fault? Holy shit just when I thought I've seen every type of nutjob on the net something new comes along.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:11 AM

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:16 AM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
73}{ .txt & 1337.spk ]2()><{}2 j00. h(_)6z 4 t# UI'. vv38z <3 4eV2.

Damn it, stop making me smile.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:23 AM

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:44 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Quote:
I don't know exactly what to call what it really is, except a hatred of the "Other". In these RWA minds, someone who looks Other on top of acting Other and espousing the polices of Other is evil. But someone who looks Other can be forgiven if they act and talk Non-Other. A black person in power is OK as long as they are 100% on the right side of the issues. And I do mean the Right side. /snicker

There might an indirect racism, based on how Obama's presidency and his background bring racial issues to light that some people would rather avoid. That might stir up a kind of latent aggression. But I think it's over simplifying to think anyone who hates O hates him just because he's black.

Mal, as far as I'm concerned, I guess you missed "the MILLIONS of other people who don't want Obama for a second term and/or are voting for Romney for reasons they have thought out." Nowhere did I intend to imply that racism is the ONLY reason for either the voting against Obama or the hatred of him, or that "the hatred of O is ... black-therefore-evil". Nor would I. And by "politicians know about the conscious/subconscious racism (and creating the "otherness" of your opponent)", I was referring to just what you wrote. I was noting what you called the "latent aggression" which I believe affected SOME people--I wouldn't even try to guess what percentage of the electorate. In my OPINION, this wouldn't be as close an election if the "Otherness" thing hadn't been played to the hilt by politicians, and that otherness at least in part is because he's Black.

Hope I've cleared that up, with regard to me at least.

Ooops, Cav, I missed this one: "And everyone here agrees with you. Who are you arguing against?"

Oh, and now I see Mal4's reference to me specifically. Mal4, I find your belief that I "jump to racism faster than" you like interesting. Certainly I despise racism, bigotry and discrimination of any kind so much it makes my blood boil. It's always been a pet "peeve" (tho' that's way too mild a word!) of mine. But I think you have an erroneous picture of me, in my opinion. That I speak up about it doesn't, to me, indicate that I jump to it fast, only that I post about it when in other cases I wouldn't bother. I'm sad you see me that way.

Perhaps it's partly that I've seen such overt racism/otherness (surely I don't need to provide examples?) in the past three-plus years and this election that I'm posting about it more than I would if it were otherwise. I've also posted a LOT about the bald-faced lying, which bothers me just as much. I truly hate the way politicians manipulate the electorate, and these are the two things currently which piss me off the most.

How you view me is how you view me, but I don't think it's accurate.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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O8#g!! &*d''{ s23(*\\/\/, 01|.@62#?

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh, and now I see Mal4's reference to me specifically. Mal4, I find your belief that I "jump to racism faster than" you like interesting.

I don't mean to suggest I think ill of you, and since I do lurk lots of places I may have your comments twisted up with stronger statements I've seen elsewhere. But I am pretty sure you've said things like: "They hate Obama enough to do XYZ and I can't see why so they must just hate him because he's black..." Right? You have gone along those lines? I certainly don't mean to beat you up over it, I've just always wanted to reply... well no. If he was still black but said the stuff Cain says, it'd be all right.

Again, this is not that I think ill of you in any way. It's more of small bit of preaching that's been building up for a while and came out all at once. HK seemed to think it obvious, but to my knowledge no one on RWED has dismissed the racism call the way I just did, though the "they hate Obama because he's black" thing has certainly been said here.

HK - if my refudiation [that's MY word Sarah!] has already been posted, my apologies. I hadn't seen it.

Quote:
I've also posted a LOT about the bald-faced lying, which bothers me just as much. I truly hate the way politicians manipulate the electorate, and these are the two things currently which piss me off the most.

No doubt. It is HUGELY aggravating. But I don't think it's based on Obama being black. It's because he represents a power shift that frightens the bigoted, and certainly part of that is racism but not direct racism toward Obama's particular color.

So, perhaps the bigots feel more free to be assholes to Obama because he's black? They might be more respectful in their disagreement if he was white? OK, that I could see.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:45 AM

...Okay, clearly I'm not as 1337erate as I thought.

1-|-2 @ ]Dv22L'D

I think I know the first word/abbreviation, but the other three have officially thrown me.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:25 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

My take?

Obama squeaks it out in the electoral college, taking Ohio and Wisconsin, while Romney edges Florida, Virginia, Iowa, and Colorado, but still comes up just shy of the 270 needed.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:00 PM

rezident owtsidr

There iz an element uv bigotry to it, but its also anti-liberal/Democrat, and anti-intellectual.

Take away any uv the 3 and the blind oppozition evaporates. Take Herman Cain for example; not a Dem and not intellectual. Take Colin Powell; Conservative and intellectual.

Even tho Obama iz not a liberal frum a liberalz perspective, the GoPs just assume he iz. Humanz luv to simplify with labelz.

The total effect iz that many people WANT to believe anything negativ about Obama. Its why the Tea Party began and why it wuz so successfful. Its why Fox 'Newz' iz so successful. Its why Glen Beck, a complete fool, earnz 30,000,000$ per yir.

Click the Nooalf link if you think I'm rong about the spelling. I'm not saying its the only reazon so many people are stupid and gullible, but its a major contributing factor.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:49 AM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:Click the Nooalf link if you think I'm rong about the spelling. I'm not saying its the only reazon so many people are stupid and gullible, but its a major contributing factor.

Or you can't spell for shit and are to lazy to learn or even use spell check.

I may comment on the rest of your post as soon as I can read it.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:49 AM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:Click the Nooalf link if you think I'm rong about the spelling. I'm not saying its the only reazon so many people are stupid and gullible, but its a major contributing factor.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:46 AM

>_> Why even care? It's a stylistic posting choice, with absolutely no impact on any of you. Let the kid have his z's and k's and whatnot. It's not like we're talking about a conspiracy theory about spelling and grammar where the guy drops out of college and goes crazy and shoots up a parking lot... Wait. Bad example.

I'm serious though. Poor spelling doesn't necessarily mean troll. Let's give the kid a chance here and look past the meaningless aesthetics.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:28 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

The polls seem to have broke in Obama's favour now - at a good time. Obama to win the electoral college comfortably, and the national vote very slightly. Probably more low, dishonest, dirty tactics from the Romney campaign over the next few days.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:35 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
>_> Why even care? It's a stylistic posting choice, with absolutely not impact on any of you. Let the kid have his z's and k's and whatnot. It's not like we're talking about a conspiracy theory about spelling and grammar where the guy drops out of college and goes crazy and shoots up a parking lot... Wait. Bad example.

I'm serious though. Poor spelling doesn't necessarily mean troll. Let's give the kid a chance here and look past the meaningless aesthetics.

Here's the thing, as far as I'm concerned: If I have to waste time trying to decipher some idiot's phonetic spelling and mangling of the language, then I'm not likely to bother.

Use your words; it's all we have between us, our only form of communication. If you can't be bothered to write real language, I can't be bothered to spend real time reading your posts.

You might have something profound to say, but many will never know, because we just pass right over your posts.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:05 AM

I usually just read those posts imagining that someone is trying to talk politics during a syrup drinking context.

It makes everything better forever.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:07 AM

Wait. You guys seriously can't read JO753's posts? I'd be careful where ya fling your "idiot's" and your "lazy's" in that case, boys. Seriously, we may actually have a couple new posters here and your instant vitriol does NOT reflect well on you, or the board.

Your behavior in this thread is pretty hard evidence that JO is on to something. Who knew it was so easy to bring out the fascist in people? Sorry, I'm just a little freaked out at how abusive your language has gotten so instantaneously with a total stranger.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:14 AM

I suppose I should also not immediately assume they are a kid, even with all the trendy z's and k's. I apologize JO753.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:14 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
To wear out the spelling cop in everybodyz brainz.

It actually haz a direct connection to this topic!

The republican party haz been able to get away with foisting all sorts uv total nonsense upon the public only bekuz we hav been conditioned to accept it our whole livez. Goofy English spelling iz forced upon children while they are in their formative yirz, training them to accept everything handed down from Authority without question. Politicianz depend on this and count on most people not bothering to check their claimz.

Romney and Ryan hav amped this up to a whole new level, not only blathering out all sorts uv spur uv the moment 'statistics', 'facts', 'lojik', and general claimz, but constantly contradicting themselvez directly or thru their spokespersonz. Gullibility iz their best frend.

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Ok, I kinda see your point - I don't agree with all of it, but I see what you're going for.

But to be honest - its a chore to try to read such.... creative spelling, and I don't imagine Ill bother trying if you continue to write like that (uniform spelling has a reason, and this is why).

Nothing personal, just not worth the effort to decode.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:36 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

As to "There iz an element uv bigotry to it, but its also anti-liberal/Democrat, and anti-intellectual", I agree with quite a bit of that post.

Mal4, I'm not sure how you're interpreting ""They hate Obama enough to do XYZ and I can't see why so they must just hate him because he's black..." Don't think I've ever said that, and not sure what your interpretation is.

I don't get "I've just always wanted to reply... well no. If he was still black but said the stuff Cain says, it'd be all right" either. I don't think I've addressed what Obama SAID, just some people's attitude toward him as President. The lying part has NOTHING to do with racism; sorry if I confused you. It's merely a completely separate thing (tho' used occasionally) which bugs the hell out of me, whoever it comes from and whoever it's aimed at. You actually nailed how I feel about a lot of it with "perhaps the bigots feel more free to be assholes to Obama because he's black? They might be more respectful in their disagreement if he was white?"

I didn't think you were picking on me at all, and I didn't take offense. I just wanted to clarify how I view it--certainly I COULD be jumping on the race thing too quickly, but I don't THINK I do. Please don't let any preaching build up--I have no problem hearing about it, and WANT to, as well as my bugaboo about solving misunderstandings, as exhibited by the fact that I've tried to change font color, etc., when it bothers people--SOME people, others can take a flying leap. If I don't like the preaching, I just ignore it (or snark back, in some cases).

PS - Mike: I'm making a conscious effort to put a line break between the end of quotes and my own text...is that better?

Concerning this spelling thing, as some know I'm in love with language and (tho' I don't mention it here--or don't much), and about spelling. I recognize our education system has gone down the toilet, and to me it's reflected by how MUCH misspelling I see here, in newspapers, and everywhere else. So me, it offends.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the Nooalf link and don't know what the word is supposed to mean. I think the ability to use our language even slightly properly is being badly disintegrated by Twitter, etc., and I don't want to see it get worse. Language is language; ALL languages have their problems, it's evolved over time. I don't like the way it's evolving and don't want to see it here; personal opinion only.

Lastly, I agree with Mike: "If I have to waste time trying to decipher (someone's) phonetic spelling and mangling of the language, then I'm not likely to bother." I haven't bothered with several of his threads because of this. And I suppose a lot of my feeling about this is based on " Use your words; it's all we have between us, our only form of communication." It's hard enough to communicate perfectly over the internet (or otherwise); why make it harder?

Out of curiosity, what is the language Mal4 and others are using?

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:37 AM