They really really can't grasp reality anymore...they aren't faking it... by Wishimay

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They really really can't grasp reality anymore...they aren't faking it...

POSTED BY: WISHIMAY
UPDATED: Sunday, November 11, 2012 18:06
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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:17 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225633/Boy-10-tasered-police-
officer-refusing-clean-patrol-car.html

These are getting worse and worse...

At what point does using a frequently lethal weapon to torture a little kid make complete sense? How do you get THAT warped? That's my kids age...They are still such babys, so young and naive...Mine still has baby teeth, fer crissakes....I know all the boys in her class and they WOULD be traumatized for sure if that happened to them.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:15 PM

HKCAVALIER

Stories like these make me wanna say, "Screw gun control, can we get some fucking taser control, please???" They simply never should be deployed except in cases where lethal force would otherwise be appropriate. They're supposed to be a non-lethal alternative to guns, not an all purpose "DOWHATIMTELLINYA" button, the human on/off switch. Compliance is the ugliest word in the English language. This is disgusting, this is disgusting, this is disgusting.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:27 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Problem is, cops were given tasers ostensibly as an "if you have no choice but to shoot someone, try shooting them with this instead" kind of weapon, but soon found them more useful as an "I don't have to explain myself to you; you have to do what I say OR ELSE!" kind of weapon.

Talk and reason were the first casualties.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:49 PM

KWICKO

By the way, I know a guy with a really good mortar team if you need this guy taken out... ;)

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:48 PM

WISHIMAY

If only....

You know the cop is somewhere right now going "Ach, he's fine...It'll make him tougher...I don't understand all the whineing..."

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 6:56 PM

OONJERAH

It was wrong! Irresponsible-sadistic unto Evil.
NO possible excuse for it.

But I like how the lad's lawyer is holding everyone
connected with it responsible. Message is overdue.

I quite liked Colors, 1988, where the mature, gentle
cop (Duvall) is trying to teach a proper attitude to his
brutal, young partner (Penn).

"To Serve and Protect"

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I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. ~Charles R Swindoll

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Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:17 PM

HKCAVALIER

Hey Oonj,

I know several cops here in Seattle and from what I've learned it's almost always the young idiot cops using the excessive force and such. Mostly youngsters in their 20's who just haven't lived long enough to understand people. Being a cop fucks 'em up. Not saying there isn't corruption and old bad cops, but it was eye opening to learn about the various infamous cases of police brutality in this city and find out that all the cops involved were so young.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:36 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

It was wrong! Irresponsible-sadistic unto Evil.
NO possible excuse for it.

But I like how the lad's lawyer is holding everyone
connected with it responsible. Message is overdue.

I quite liked Colors, 1988, where the mature, gentle
cop (Duvall) is trying to teach a proper attitude to his
brutal, young partner (Penn).

"To Serve and Protect"

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I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. ~Charles R Swindoll

Try "[]" instead of "<>", and your fonts and bolds and such will actually show up.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:13 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Along the lines of "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"--some cops given weapons will use them irresponsibly, they do with guns too. I hope he gets his ass canned. Tho' unless he doesn't, I'm not in favor of lawsuits. The kid knows by now how wrongly he was treated, aside from any expenses incurred, I don't see lawsuits as solving everything. Bearing in mind I live in probably the most litiguous state in the union... I don't believe a lawsuit will send a message (it's individuals who act like idiots, not police departmsnts...well, then again, some do, but still...), and it would just cost the community money from their police department.

But unquestionably, yes,

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:35 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I know several cops here in Seattle and from what I've learned it's almost always the young idiot cops using the excessive force and such. Mostly youngsters in their 20's who just haven't lived long enough to understand people. Being a cop fucks 'em up. Not saying there isn't corruption and old bad cops, but it was eye opening to learn about the various infamous cases of police brutality in this city and find out that all the cops involved were so young.

Well, a big part of the problem is denial.
Ain't no few-rotten-apples, in fact it ain't the apples at all, but the barrel, that is rotten, thus making the corruption and other problems both institutional and systematic.

Only recently have we been making inroads on this, since in order to address a problem first there must be admission of its existence - it isn't that things are getting worse, it's that they've always been this bad, but thanks to the ability of the internet to obliterate the time and space between us, to end-run a compliant and complicit media, and turnabout of their own surveillence society against them, only now is it coming clear to all and every how bad the problem IS, which is finally leading to the necessary public outrage to force reforms and accountability.

Around here we hand out accountability via the budget, and over in Wayne county the taser abuse all but evaporated once they moved them to the proper place in the force continuum just below lethal force, as the taser is a LESS-lethal, not NON-lethal, weapon - and equipped them both with tamperpoof fire counters AND cameras.

CATOs Police Misconduct database (formerly run by one guy who started it in efforts to force attention to the problem) is a pretty good resource, and now with enough political might to protect it from the blue suit mafia (FOP, Union, Lawyers) and their often illegal intimidation tactics, this too will encourage further reforms.
One reason I am so hardcase about the matter is that those very things indicate a means rea, when you specifically have a full support system to protect you FROM any form of real accountability, I question your intentions.
Kind of a macro scale of me pointing out that if they wanna encourage traffic safety, put the cruiser in a highly visible spot, instead of hiding behind a building to ambush people cause it's more profitable - when the expressed rationale falls before the evidence, and there's signs of premeditation, it's not an isolated incident, it's friggin policy.

The big bugbear for them is having the cameras turned back upon them, and it's very telling that their first reaction isn't to address the problem, but rather attempting to silence the complaint, that smacks of premeditation and guilt as well - they want it mandatory to observe us, and illegal to observe them ? balderdash, I say!
UnConstitutional to say the least, and rights for me and none for thee doesn't fly neither, the rules apply to EVERYONE, or they apply to NO ONE.
Anything less is Tyranny no matter how you slice it.

Word for the day: Sousveillance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_surveillance

Quote:
Inverse surveillance is a subset of sousveillance with a particular emphasis on the "watchful vigilance from underneath" and a form of surveillance inquiry or legal protection involving the recording, monitoring, study, or analysis of surveillance systems, proponents of surveillance, and possibly also recordings of authority figures and their actions.

-Frem

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Sunday, November 11, 2012 6:06 PM

OONJERAH

Was there a spot of suppression by the DOJ?
I suspect there are damning stats out there about tasers.
Didn't find 'em. Settled for this:

Taser safety issues
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues#Deaths_and_injuries_r
elated_to_Taser_use

Police

On 5 July 2005 Michael Todd, then Chief Constable of Greater
Manchester Police, England, let himself be shot in the back
with a Taser, to demonstrate his confidence that Tasers can
be used safely. This was captured on video, and the video was
released to the BBC on 17 May 2007. He was wearing a shirt
and no jacket. When tased, he fell forward onto his chest on
the ground, and (he said afterwards) "I couldn't move, it hurt
like hell," he said after recovering. "I wouldn't want to do
that again."

Although tests on police and military volunteers have shown
Tasers to function appropriately on a healthy, calm individual
in a relaxed and controlled environment, the real-life target
of a Taser is, if not mentally or physically unsound, in a
state of high stress and in the midst of a confrontation.
According to the UK’s Defence Scientific Advisory Council’s
subcommittee on the Medical Implications of Less-lethal Wea-
pons (DoMILL), "The possibility that other factors such as illicit
drug intoxication, alcohol abuse, pre-existing heart disease,
and cardioactive therapeutic drugs may modify the threshold
for generation of cardiac arrhythmias cannot be excluded.”
In addition, Taser experiments “do not take into account real
life use of Tasers by law enforcement agencies, such as re-
peated or prolonged shocks and the use of restraints".

Police officers in at least five US states have filed lawsuits
against Taser International claiming they suffered serious injuries
after being shocked with the device during training classes.

Medical literature reports that one police officer suffered spine
fractures after being shocked by a Taser during a demonstration
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Designation as torture device

The United Nations Committee Against Torture (UNCAT), an agency
charged with overseeing the application of the Convention Against
Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Pun-
ishment, arrived at the conclusion on November 23, 2007, that the
use of the electric pulse Taser gun constitutes a "form of torture"
and "can even provoke death." The UN has declared: "TASER elec-
tronic stun guns are a form of torture that can kill.
'RESIST CARDIAC ARREST' (RCA), a British Human Rights cam-
paigning group was inaugurated in February 2010 to encourage the
British Government to ratify the UNCAT and discontinue taser usage
in Britain. To date, the British Government and Police have been
unwilling to communicate with RCA on the issue of the UNCAT.

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