Crystal ball time.... by Wishimay

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Wait. You guys seriously can't read JO753's posts? I'd be careful where ya fling your "idiot's" and your "lazy's" in that case, boys. Seriously, we may actually have a couple new posters here and your instant vitriol does NOT reflect well on you, or the board.

Your behavior in this thread is pretty hard evidence that JO is on to something. Who knew it was so easy to bring out the fascist in people? Sorry, I'm just a little freaked out at how abusive your language has gotten so instantaneously with a total stranger.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

o SHER aisle trie two typ ownlie inn l3375p34k form naugh awn k?

ay3 g3t ur ^.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 6:47 AM

MAL4PREZ

Byte - did that stuff you posted actually have meaning? I thought you were totally making it up, so I posted nonsense back so we could have a nonsense conversation. Too funny that there might be actual meaning in what you posted! Look kinda like Perl regular expressions to me.

Regarding the newcomer's spelling: I chat here when it's fun, and sorting out mumbo jumbo isn't fun. I think anyone who posts like that when no one else does is rather lazy and self-centered. This schmoe, kid or not, thinks that strangers have nothing else to do but sort out his/her bizarre language. Hey, it's fun with friends, but introducing yourself to a new group this way is just asking to be ignored. I will oblige.

Sorry, newbie. You seem a decent chap/chappette, but the teacher in me wants you to learn something about how you ought to present yourself to new folks.

It's the reason I demand that my science students learn to express themselves, both with math and actual written English. Solving tough problems is nice, but if you can't explain your work you'll get no where.

Niki - so maybe it's with lame posters on Huff and such that I've built up my need to preach. Glad we agree.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 6:48 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Wait. You guys seriously can't read JO753's posts? I'd be careful where ya fling your "idiot's" and your "lazy's" in that case, boys. Seriously, we may actually have a couple new posters here and your instant vitriol does NOT reflect well on you, or the board.

Its not a matter of can't - its won't.

No vitriol involved - just not going to play that game.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 6:57 AM

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o SHER aisle trie two typ ownlie inn l3375p34k form naugh awn k?

ay3 g3t ur ^.

Oh my gosh we're doing this, we're making this happen.

<3

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 7:06 AM

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Byte - did that stuff you posted actually have meaning? I thought you were totally making it up, so I posted nonsense back so we could have a nonsense conversation. Too funny that there might be actual meaning in what you posted! Look kinda like Perl regular expressions to me.

Regarding the newcomer's spelling: I chat here when it's fun, and sorting out mumbo jumbo isn't fun. I think anyone who posts like that when no one else does is rather lazy and self-centered. This schmoe, kid or not, thinks that strangers have nothing else to do but sort out his/her bizarre language. Hey, it's fun with friends, but introducing yourself to a new group this way is just asking to be ignored. I will oblige.

Sorry, newbie. You seem a decent chap/chappette, but the teacher in me wants you to learn something about how you ought to present yourself to new folks.

It's the reason I demand that my science students learn to express themselves, both with math and actual written English. Solving tough problems is nice, but if you can't explain your work you'll get no where.

Niki - so maybe it's with lame posters on Huff and such that I've built up my need to preach. Glad we agree.

Yup. If I wanted to decipher somebody's own made-up non-language, I'd go sit through "Nell" again. And it wasn't any fun the first time, and there's a reason I've never watched it again. ;)

Oh, crap - I realize now I accidentally slipped back into English. So sorry to those who could grok my meaning...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 7:07 AM

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Byte - did that stuff you posted actually have meaning? I thought you were totally making it up, so I posted nonsense back so we could have a nonsense conversation. Too funny that there might be actual meaning in what you posted! Look kinda like Perl regular expressions to me.

]>a`/4mn, but that's still impressive. I give you credit anyway for all these [sic] ]3ur~2. Dangled myself off some unintentional b8 then flopped my way over to the ph7r3.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 7:07 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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o SHER aisle trie two typ ownlie inn l3375p34k form naugh awn k?

ay3 g3t ur ^.

Oh my gosh we're doing this, we're making this happen.

<3

Yup, that just happened.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 7:19 AM

:o It is a bad spelling grammar mess in the street hilarity puzzle COMBO!

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:03 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I suppose I should also not immediately assume they are a kid, even with all the trendy z's and k's. I apologize JO753.]

He's not a kid, and he's been on the main board for a year or so...As a parent of a kid who isn't wired to understand English because it really doesn't make any logical sense or stick to it's own rules, I get what he's saying and I think picking on someone who is just communicating in a way that is most comfortable for him is massively ignorant.(EDIT...It took me a few to wrap my brain around it too, but it is actually easy for me to read now. And I did it without picking at him. I get trying to understand a diffrent point of view is hard, but you'd think being Browncoats and not being mainstream we'd get it)

Now lets go out in space and pick on aliens for not learning English perfectly. Humanity IS a disease...

PS. NOT directed at you Byte. Your post was simply easier to edit out a coherant thought.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:08 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

Now lets go out in space and pick on aliens for not learning English perfectly. Humanity IS a disease...

Oh, please.

There is a big difference between not learning a second language perfectly, and deliberately obfuscating langauge in order to be "kewl."

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:09 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

He's not a kid, and he's been on the main board for a year or so...As a parent of a kid who isn't wired to understand English because it really doesn't make any logical sense or stick to it's own rules, I get what he's saying and I think picking on someone who is just communicating in a way that is most comfortable for him is massively ignorant.

Now lets go out in space and pick on aliens for not learning English perfectly. Humanity IS a disease...

Or go overseas and just yell at people in English, and keep yelling louder and louder, and then wonder why they won't understand us.

Next time I'm in Brazil I'll be sure the tell them all how stupid their language is, then just make up my own and call them ignorant for not figuring it out.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:10 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by Wishimay:

Now lets go out in space and pick on aliens for not learning English perfectly. Humanity IS a disease...

Oh, please.

There is a big difference between not learning a second language perfectly, and deliberately obfuscating langauge in order to be "kewl."

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

No kidding.

In order to learn a second language, one must know a FIRST language!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:14 AM

If I posted everything I write in German, would you be lazy if you didn't take the time to learn German and translate it before you responded?

Would you consider yourself massively ignorant if you didn't?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:27 AM

Actually, he can post in proper English. I think he does it to make a point, and he's got a brass set for even trying these days. Trying to make people think diffrently now is rediculously hard.

I've always thought we could make our language much simpler by just removing lowercase letters as children spend about two years learning the diffrence and it makes it harder for immigrants, but I know people would never be able to expand their brains to learn that THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY YELLING. ALSO IT IS MUCH EASIER FOR PEOPLE WITH EYE PROBLEMS TO READ, but unfortunately is harder for some dyslexics.

Get out of yer comfort zone every once in a while people. Grow a leetle bit.

Alos msot of yuo souhld eb albe to rade THIS, thanks to our brain, so you should be able to figure out Jo's post with only slight effort... Maybe put yourself in anothers brain-shoes for a spell.............

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:35 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

If I posted everything I write in German, would you be lazy if you didn't take the time to learn German and translate it before you responded?

Would you consider yourself massively ignorant if you didn't?

Actually there have been several people who have posted here in other languages here AND THANKS TO THE POWER OF THE INTERNETS I have translated and responded... WHY? Because I find that form of learning is WORTH IT.

And he's not speaking German, which has very little in common with English.
If you don't want to converse with him.... don't. Your loss.

Btw, he also speaks lolcats, if any of you are fluent

In fact, if he came in here speaking THAT he probably would get less grief.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:38 AM

Lasta lalaithamin.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:43 AM

HKCAVALIER

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Wait. You guys seriously can't read JO753's posts? I'd be careful where ya fling your "idiot's" and your "lazy's" in that case, boys. Seriously, we may actually have a couple new posters here and your instant vitriol does NOT reflect well on you, or the board.

Its not a matter of can't - its won't.

No vitriol involved - just not going to play that game.

I got no prollem with that. You've been perfectly decent about it. We can criticize another's post without making them out to be "idiots" and "nutjobs" and "lazy."

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:43 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

If I posted everything I write in German, would you be lazy if you didn't take the time to learn German and translate it before you responded?

Would you consider yourself massively ignorant if you didn't?

Actually there have been several people who have posted here in other languages here AND THANKS TO THE POWER OF THE INTERNETS I have translated and responded... WHY? Because I find that form of learning is WORTH IT.

And he's not speaking German, which has very little in common with English.
If you don't want to converse with him.... don't. Your loss.

Btw, he also speaks lolcats, if any of you are fluent
In fact, if he came in here speaking THAT he probably would get less grief.

I like to help the people in spanish countries orient themselves in MMORPGs, since sometimes South America and Central American countries overlap servers, or they've arrived there by accident. I don't speak more than a little bit of spanish, but this is the power of the internet.

(I also happen to know a number of Chinese swears, because, you know, Firefly, and I have also used them when annoyed)

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:44 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Actually, he can post in proper English. I think he does it to make a point, and he's got a brass set for even trying these days. Trying to make people think diffrently now is rediculously hard.

I've always thought we could make our language much simpler by just removing lowercase letters as children spend about two years learning the diffrence and it makes it harder for immigrants, but I know people would never be able to expand their brains to learn that THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY YELLING. ALSO IT IS MUCH EASIER FOR PEOPLE WITH EYE PROBLEMS TO READ, but unfortunately is harder for some dyslexics.

Get out of yer comfort zone every once in a while people. Grow a leetle bit.

Alos msot of yuo souhld eb albe to rade THIS, thanks to our brain, so you should be able to figure out Jo's post with only slight effort... Maybe put yourself in anothers brain-shoes for a spell.............

I love it when someone posts or does something that the majority of people think is pointless or downright stupid and than that argument is made. Open your minds, be open to new things, new ways of thinking.

It's not because people don't want to grow, or consider new ideas that things such as this are ridiculed. It is because folks do take a moment to think about it and realize very quickly that it is a bunch of bunk. Try something new, think outside the box, jump off that bridge...no wait of course that is not a good idea.

Yes it is hard to change people's minds, but there are also good and bad ways to go about it. I would have no problem having a conversation about changes to the spelling standard to English. So starting a thread about it, stating proposals you like and making a coherent case for those is a good way to do it. Coming in to thread, writing in a piss poor manor and trying to link what you are doing to people being idiots is not.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:45 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

If I posted everything I write in German, would you be lazy if you didn't take the time to learn German and translate it before you responded?

Would you consider yourself massively ignorant if you didn't?

Actually there have been several people who have posted here in other languages here AND THANKS TO THE POWER OF THE INTERNETS I have translated and responded... WHY? Because I find that form of learning is WORTH IT.

And he's not speaking German, which has very little in common with English.
If you don't want to converse with him.... don't. Your loss.

Btw, he also speaks lolcats, if any of you are fluent
In fact, if he came in here speaking THAT he probably would get less grief.

I liked to help the people in spanish countries orient themselves in games. I don't speak more than a little bit of spanish, but this is the power of the internet.

(I also happen to know a number of Chinese swears, because, you know, Firefly, and I have also used them when annoyed)

That's all well and good - but you seem to be deliberately missing the point.

Are you lazy for not knowing more Spanish? If you spout a bunch of Chinese curses, and people don't get them, is it becasue they're ignorant?

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:51 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

And he's not speaking German, which has very little in common with English.
If you don't want to converse with him.... don't. Your loss.

Uh... what? English is a Germanic language, and they have a LOT in common...

http://www.pauljoycegerman.co.uk/abinitio/whygerm13.html

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:57 AM

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That's all well and good - but you seem to be deliberately missing the point.

Are you lazy for not knowing more Spanish? If you spout a bunch of Chinese curses, and people don't get them, is it becasue they're ignorant?

You seem to have mistaken my comment for an argument. I'm mostly just posting random things to the thread now where I find it appropriate or entertaining.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:03 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

If I posted everything I write in German, would you be lazy if you didn't take the time to learn German and translate it before you responded?

Would you consider yourself massively ignorant if you didn't?

Actually there have been several people who have posted here in other languages here AND THANKS TO THE POWER OF THE INTERNETS I have translated and responded... WHY? Because I find that form of learning is WORTH IT.

Aber werden Sie tun, dass jedes Mal, wenn ich etwas schreiben? Werden Sie weitermachen, um die Menge an Arbeit?

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And he's not speaking German, which has very little in common with English.

Das stimmt nicht. Englisch ist eine germanische Sprache.

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If you don't want to converse with him.... don't. Your loss.

And his.

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Btw, he also speaks lolcats, if any of you are fluent
In fact, if he came in here speaking THAT he probably would get less grief.

\
I can haz lolcatz?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:49 AM

*facepalm...Maybe I should alter that post...That form of leaning is worth it when people aren't using it just to be an ass and make me spend my entire afternoon on it. I refuse your bait.

And Story... Really?? That is what you choose to argue?? Then you have missed the point entirely. Sad attempt at deflection. MOST of us can read Jo's post, but choose not to try. MOST of us cannot read German. That is the diffrence.

For Byte, who made it simple...

Aa' i' sul nora lanne'lle!

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 10:00 AM

I didn't miss the point, I just find it ridiculous.

Shall I make up a new coded language, and call you lazy for not deciphering it?

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 10:04 AM

You're welcome and fair winds.

Also, I would like to discuss a pressing issue. I would like my avatar to be a GOLDFISH, with all the implied intelligence and focus, so that when you all look at my posts, you associate my personality with a goldfish. The words herp or derp may be prominently displayed.

I have found numerous such pictures, and I know how to upload them to be my avatar, but I find I am too lazy to bother. So I request instead of Zoe, you all simply imagine there to be a goldfish there.

Thank you, that is all I have to say about that.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
*facepalm...Maybe I should alter that post...That form of leaning is worth it when people aren't using it just to be an ass and make me spend my entire afternoon on it. I refuse your bait.

And Story... Really?? That is what you choose to argue?? Then you have missed the point entirely. Sad attempt at deflection. MOST of us can read Jo's post, but choose not to try. MOST of us cannot read German. That is the diffrence.

For Byte, who made it simple...

Aa' i' sul nora lanne'lle!

And as Byte pointed out (and I was sure she wouldn't be the only one to figure it out, but she's proven herself quite clever; penny for the little lady!), any one of us could take foreign-language posts, plug them into a translator program, read them, write a response, and translate that to respond.

But MOST of us choose not to try, don't we?

Does that make MOST of us lazy?

Language evolves. I get that; I really do. But you can't FORCE its evolution by just trying to jam it in people's faces. A generation ago, if I said I had a 1080p 1920-pixel HDMI HDTV, even A/V geeks wouldn't know what the hell I was talking about. Now a non-A/V geek like me knows what those things mean. They have become common, and through commonality gained everyday use.

A decade ago nobody would have known what the hell you were on about if you said you "tweeted" them. Language changes, but at its own pace.

Most of us use words now that we didn't know ten or more years ago. But we knew MOST of the words we use every day, and have added a few new ones. If you try to change the entire language overnight, you'll be met with a huge pushback, and you'll fail, and you'll accomplish nothing. If you start peppering your posts with a word here or there in newspeak, you'll make progress, because those words may catch on and become common.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
You're welcome and fair winds.

Also, I would like to discuss a pressing issue. I would like my avatar to be a GOLDFISH, with all the implied intelligence and focus, so that when you all look at my posts, you associate my personality with a goldfish. The words herp or derp may be prominently displayed.

I have found numerous such pictures, and I know how to upload them to be my avatar, but I find I am too lazy to bother. So I request instead of Zoe, you all simply imagine there to be a goldfish there.

Thank you, that is all I have to say about that.

I choose to imagine a gnat on meth.

ETA: That's not intended as an insult, as in "You're no better than a gnat!" - it's meant to indicate a very, very, very short attention span, which you've alluded to in the past.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 10:30 AM

I wouldn't have minded if it was.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I didn't miss the point, I just find it ridiculous.

Shall I make up a new coded language, and call you lazy for not deciphering it?

It's not a new coded language, he just spells things like they sound. Wow, what a brain scratcher!!!!If anything, English is much harder. Let me make another analogy (btw, you should try to make one that is actually relatable and not inflated if you want to be taken seriously.)

If my ten yr old can read his posts with very little explanation and you can't, then you must be less intelligent than my ten year old...
Oh, snap.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
I didn't miss the point, I just find it ridiculous.

Shall I make up a new coded language, and call you lazy for not deciphering it?

It's not a new coded language, he just spells things like they sound. Wow, what a brain scratcher!!!!If anything, English is much harder. Let me make another analogy (btw, you should try to make one that is actually relatable and not inflated if you want to be taken seriously.)

If my ten yr old can read his posts with very little explanation and you can't, then you must be less intelligent than my ten year old...
Oh, snap.

Or your kid could be special.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:58 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

:) Good wun Byte!

I know its irritating, everybody. Sorry, but the revolution against institutionalized stupidity haz to start sumwhere. Just read at least the 1st 4 pajez at nooalf.com. If you believe you hav the ability to participate in a real debate, you need to know wut youre oppozing.

Back on topic, gorrramit!

The debates and the poll trendz afterward expoze the truth. People believe wut they want to be true. To hell with facts and lojik!

Debate #1. Romney lied hiz ass off and did more flipflops than a fish in a row boat. But did the GoPs rize up in anger against hiz betrayal uv all the pozitionz he took to get their nomination? nope. not a peep. Insted he gets a huge boost based purely on style.

VP debate. The GoPs were expecting their oft proclaimed 'intellectual leader uv the Republican Party' to make poor old uncle Joe look like a fool. But Ryan got beat down like a punk and hiz policyz shown to be ill concieved crap and fantasy arithmatic. The reaction frum the Fox eko chamber: Biden wuz laffing like he wuz on drugz! He wuz disrespectful! The moderator wuz on their side!

Debate #2. It showz how well the GoP and its media propaganda machine hav isolated everybody, including Romney himself. He got up in frunt uv 65 million people without knowing the facts. He wuz so confident that he had a checkmate with the BenGazi terrorist thing that he coudnt rezist stepping into that pile uv poop and jamming the boot into hiz mouth for the third time. Seriously. You woud think sumwun in hiz campane, especially Ann and hiz family, woud hav slapped him silly the 2nd time and told him DONT GO THERE AGAIN!"

The entire exchange wuz an instant classic in the history uv prezidential debates on par with the great boxing matchez frum the likes uv Mike Tyson, George Forman, etc., a devastating knockout that shoud hav ended Romneyz campane in all practicality. nope. A minimal uptic in Obamaz poll numberz.

Debate #3. Romney mainly refrazed everything Obama sed. Again, the lojikl reaction frum the rite woud be howlz uv betrayal. Didnt happen. Pollz still showing a close race.

Humanz hav a bad habit uv cementing thingz into their brainz. Wutever fallz in first gets bilt into a castle, and no matter how weak it iz, they defend it against anything new that showz up that contradicts it. The GoP clown show thats been going on since Obama got elected iz just another glaring example uv this.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 2:31 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

It's not a new coded language, he just spells things like they sound. Wow, what a brain scratcher!!!!If anything, English is much harder.

A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter c would be dropped to be replased either by k or s, and likewise x would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which c would be retained would be the ch formation, which will be dealt with later.

Year 2 might reform w spelling, so that which and one would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish y replasing it with i and Iear 4 might fiks the g/j anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez c, y and x — bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez — tu riplais ch, sh, and th rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

--Mark Twain

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:13 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Or your kid could be special.

Yes. Yes she is...

And for what it's worth, I never bothered to actually read his pages. I think you all know if it can't be said succinctly in two paragraphs, I don't bother. But I got the gist and that was enough for me.

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:24 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by JO753:
:) Good wun Byte!

I know its irritating, everybody. Sorry, but the revolution against institutionalized stupidity haz to start sumwhere. Just read at least the 1st 4 pajez at nooalf.com. If you believe you hav the ability to participate in a real debate, you need to know wut youre oppozing.

Okay, new thread here...

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=53416

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 7:50 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

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Originally posted by Storymark:
A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling

For example, in Year 1..... Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

--Mark Twain

Not bad! Did Twain really rite that??

I spent about 5 yirz in the Saundspel spelling reform forum and thout I'd seen everything frum the well known reform proponents.

Thanks for the new topic, Nickerson

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Friday, November 2, 2012 12:20 AM

OONJERAH

One big impact of spelling reform: It would make
all our existing literature unintelligible.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 5:55 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
:) Good wun Byte!

I know its irritating, everybody. Sorry, but the revolution against institutionalized stupidity haz to start sumwhere. Just read at least the 1st 4 pajez at nooalf.com. If you believe you hav the ability to participate in a real debate, you need to know wut youre oppozing.

I understand the sentiment, but I dont think introducing new stupidity is going to help. Making communication *more* difficult is the opposite of helping.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, November 2, 2012 6:42 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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It's not because people don't want to grow, or consider new ideas that things such as this are ridiculed. It is because folks do take a moment to think about it and realize very quickly that it is a bunch of bunk. Try something new, think outside the box, jump off that bridge...no wait of course that is not a good idea.

Yes it is hard to change people's minds, but there are also good and bad ways to go about it. I would have no problem having a conversation about changes to the spelling standard to English. So starting a thread about it, stating proposals you like and making a coherent case for those is a good way to do it. Coming in to thread, writing in a piss poor manor and trying to link what you are doing to people being idiots is not.

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you can't FORCE its evolution by just trying to jam it in people's faces....

If you try to change the entire language overnight, you'll be met with a huge pushback, and you'll fail, and you'll accomplish nothing.

I was easily able to read Jo's post before last (and pretty much agreed with it, too). I have no problem with that, and I use things like 'cuz and ya myself. But to suddenly introduce an entirely new way of writing which takes me time to decipher turns me off. This is a "conversation"--not as fast as chat, but nonetheless read and responded to faster than writing a term paper. If I wanted to spend extra time deciphering something, I wouldn't have much interest in being here. Has nothing to do with "lazy", has to do with the fact that I've got a life, I allocate X number of hours here and then do other things. Why would I start trying to learn and decipher a new language just to have a conversation, or even a debate?

If Jo could INTERSPERSE his posts with his version of English, that wouldn't bother me. It's trying to work my way through entire paragraphs of nothing else that just makes me scroll past the post.

I believe in clarity of communication, as I said before; the internet has way too many pitfalls as it is when it comes to communication, since we can't see body language, facial expression and can't hear vocal inflection; I see no particular reason to complicate it further. That's just me.

I also still do not understand that numerical thing at all, but don't bother explaining it, I'm not particularly interested. That's not a dig at anyone, just a time saver for anyone who might want to further try to explain it.

None of this language stuff has anything to do with the initial post and title...while virtually everything gets thread jacked eventually, and this is a far more civil way to thread jack it, I'd rather return to the topic at hand. JMHO.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 7:24 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

I believe in clarity of communication, as I said before; the internet has way too many pitfalls as it is when it comes to communication, since we can't see body language, facial expression and can't hear vocal inflection; I see no particular reason to complicate it further. That's just me.

Exactly!

Me, too.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, November 2, 2012 7:51 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

I believe in clarity of communication, as I said before; the internet has way too many pitfalls as it is when it comes to communication

So bitch everyone into compliance with your ideals of communication, or try to adapt a bit, since there ARE so many pitfalls? Don't talk to teens or ebonics people because they aren't worth it? My kid can't tell the difference between a "b" and a "d" (and may never)... soo, I guess I shouldn't let her on the internets because she isn't perfect?? If she said it was her dirthday would you narcissticly flog her about it every year, or try to adapt?? Been talking to River in chat for a year and being Australian, I guess every day when she says "ARVO" I should yell at her and tell her to speak English??

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Friday, November 2, 2012 9:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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So bitch everyone into compliance with your ideals of communication, or try to adapt a bit, since there ARE so many pitfalls?

So one more pitfall would improve things? Oh, wait, I guess it's "So bitch everyone into compliance with YOUR ideals of communication..."

Yup. We should all shut up and not offer our opinions, obviously. Otherwise we're "bitching everyone"...that's as in "telling them what to do"? I wasn't aware expresing an opinion was forcing others to do anything...huh, I must have missed something along the way.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 10:41 AM

I'm not forcing anyone into anything.

As well, I'm not letting someone force ME into something.

He - and your daughter - can communicate in any way they'd like to.

I am free to ignore them if they fail to make themselves understood.

If I want to make myself understood to someone else, it's incumbent upon ME to make sure they understand, not on me to call them a dumbass if they don't understand me. If they do not understand me, it's my failure to communicate effectively that I blame. If I do not understand them, it's a failing on their part to communicate effectively.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, November 2, 2012 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

I believe in clarity of communication, as I said before; the internet has way too many pitfalls as it is when it comes to communication

So bitch everyone into compliance with your ideals of communication, or try to adapt a bit, since there ARE so many pitfalls?

Im discussing language. Expressing my opinion, just as you have yours. And now you're the one bitching about everyone else needing to comply with one person's choice. Have you NO understanding of irony...?

Grow up and deal.

I also didn't demand they comply - you keep inventing things, and it doesn't reflect well on you. I merely said if they choose to continue to write like that, I choose not to read those posts.

If that bothers you - that's your damned problem, not mine.

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Don't talk to teens

A fallacious bullshit argument, as spelling is irrelevant to speech. But, as a teacher - I do expect kids to write correctly.

Its irresponsible to do otherwise. The job market isn't interested in someone expressing their individuality through incomprehensible spelling.

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or ebonics people

No one around he speaks it, sorry.

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because they aren't worth it?

Now you're just being a ass.

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My kid can't tell the difference between a "b" and a "d" (and may never)... soo, I guess I shouldn't let her on the internets because she isn't perfect?? If she said it was her dirthday would you narcissticly flog her about it every year, or try to adapt??

I think its more reasonable (and responsible, see above) to try and help your daughter adapt to the world (as many people have done before her) than demand the world to adapt to her.

ANd thats a bullshit argument anyway - the person in question is not writing like that because they cannot write otherwise - they have CHOSEN to write like that. This is clearly established, so stop being disengenouse.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, November 2, 2012 11:20 AM

There is no point arguing with you. Your arguments make no logical sense. You respond to each line but you completely miss the point of the encompassing argument.

She physically CANNOT adapt, so one of you must in order to communicate or co-exist. Personally, I will now tell her to avoid morons hell bent on "fixing her" for their own comfort... Problem solved.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 12:04 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Wish, you've gone off the deep end. He clearly wrote: "the person in question is not writing like that because they cannot write otherwise - they have CHOSEN to write like that." He also wrote "to try and HELP your daughter adapt..." In other words, do whatever you can to assist her; at no point was he inferring (I'm guessing) that you COULD "fix" her, only that it's a good idea to do what you can to HELP; and his argument that this person is doing it by CHOICE shows he understands perfectly about your daughter's situation. Nobody is making fun of it, we (I believe) have the utmost respect for your situation and your bravery in dealing with it. Either you're upset or you're deliberately misunderstanding.

His, my and Mike's "arguments" (you won't even TRY "opinions"??) make perfect sense, and speak directly to the debate at hand. The question, as I see it, was whether to "adapt" to each individual's choice of writing style, or we're...whatever you've called us. THAT is the illogical argument; adapting is fine, but to ask (and I think what you've done is somewhat more itense than "ask", personally) a group of people communicating in one language to pay attention to someone who comes in suddenly and starts talking in a variation of that language is what's not logical. None of us have (to the best of my reading skills) TOLD this person he MUST adapt to our way, we have expressed our opinions (some more forcefully than others). We have the right to our opinions, just as you and the newcomer do--neither is right or wrong, just different.

I get the feeling you may have lost just a bit of perspective, or your emotions may have gotten wrapped up in the discussion. Whatever your reasons, for me at least this hasn't been an "argument" but merely a conversation, and I kinda mind being called a "moron" (certainly you're lumping me with same, given I've expressed almost exactly the same things in the last few posts as Mark has).

I'm happy to agree to disagree with you on this matter, but I'd appreciate it if you'd address people specifically if you're going to call them names. I also seriously doubt Mark, AS A TEACHER, is a moron. I know our educational system is in terrible condition, but I don't think they deliberately hire morons. I note for the record that Mal4, also I believe a teacher (?) feels somewhat the same as we do.

Have a nice day (well, yeah, that was said snidely--your rather obvious anger and lashing out triggers frustration).

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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