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Monday, October 29, 2012 10:36 AM
CHRISISALL
Monday, October 29, 2012 10:48 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: @ Raptoast: Go ahead & whip it up to try and make Obama look bad (He already does to me anyway), no one cares. No one. Really.
Monday, October 29, 2012 11:25 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Monday, October 29, 2012 11:33 AM
Monday, October 29, 2012 11:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: 4 dead Americans and lies about a youtube video aren't OPINIONS.
Monday, October 29, 2012 11:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: 4 dead Americans and lies about a youtube video aren't OPINIONS. Yes, 4 are dead. No lies about a video. The opinions are what Fox is putting out as news regarding all this. Try to follow along.
Monday, October 29, 2012 12:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: There absolutely were lies about a video, and it's clear that you're swallowing those lies still.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor:FOX is the only one asking real questions. I get that it makes you uncomfortable.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor:I really do. But my advice to you is.... get use to feeling uncomfortable. There's a LOT more questions coming in the near future.
Monday, October 29, 2012 2:55 PM
Monday, October 29, 2012 3:11 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, October 29, 2012 3:22 PM
Monday, October 29, 2012 3:30 PM
Monday, October 29, 2012 3:31 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: WH released sitch room pic, on bin Laden compound attack. WH releases sitch room pic of O-team working during hurricane Sandy... So, where's the sitch room pic of Benghazi ? Anyone ? Anyone ?
Monday, October 29, 2012 3:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: A - You're dodging the question of where the Benghazi photo is by fabricating another false narrative. B - weren't we told that Hillary , as she clearly appears to be doing, was not 'gasping' at what she saw,but was really just caught in mid sneeze ? C - Never before had such photos been released. Now we know they let film makers into the room, to " record " the whole bin Laden thing, why shouldn't we expect the same for Benghazi ? " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Monday, October 29, 2012 3:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: 4 dead Americans and lies about a youtube video aren't OPINIONS. Yes, 4 are dead. No lies about a video. The opinions are what Fox is putting out as news regarding all this. Try to follow along. There absolutely were lies about a video, and it's clear that you're swallowing those lies still.
Monday, October 29, 2012 3:39 PM
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: I love it when Rappy starts flailing about trying to grasp at anything.
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:21 PM
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Oh, hold up. Those AREN'T rumors at all, now are they ? Hmm...
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: From *Adam Baldwin and many of you, here is an audio interview between Rush Limbaugh and a caller identifying as a retired SF Lieutenant Colonel and Special Operations planner for 15 years. * Yes, THAT Adam ( Jayne Cobb ) Baldwin !!!!
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:17 PM
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:50 AM
Quote: If a general or admiral loses his job or is reassigned, that proves a cover-up? What about if a U.S. Attorney gets fired or reassigned? Or a counterterrorism expert? Would those be proof of a conspiracy?
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:05 AM
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Unusual is not proof, nor are unnamed sources.
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:26 AM
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: If a general or admiral loses his job or is reassigned, that proves a cover-up? What about if a U.S. Attorney gets fired or reassigned? Or a counterterrorism expert? Would those be proof of a conspiracy? From the stripes.com article posted above... "It is highly unusual for the Navy to replace a carrier strike group commander during its deployment. The Navy did not reveal details of the allegations, citing only an accusation of "inappropriate leadership judgment" that arose during the strike group's deployment to the Middle East. Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Navy's chief spokesman, declined to discuss the investigation. "
Quote: And also, there's this... http://times247.com/24-7-videos/obama-was-in-situation-room-during-benghazi-sources-say#ooid=UwaGRlNjpohu9g6PrW5l2_7oqQ6lwFhp
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:19 AM
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: He saw what was going on, knew our ambassador was missing, made the politically motivated choice to do nothing, went upstairs, packed his bags for Vegas,and when nighty night.
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:28 AM
Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:00 PM
Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:33 PM
Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:54 PM
Thursday, November 1, 2012 2:05 PM
Quote: U.S. Consulate in Benghazi Bombed Twice in Run-Up to 9/11 Anniversary Oct 2, 2012 4:45 AM EDT Jihadists twice set off explosives at the consulate prior to the incident that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens, and announced threats on Facebook about escalating attacks on Western targets in the run-up to the 9/11 anniversary, according to whistle blowers reaching out to House Republicans... the first time a bombing at the U.S. consulate that occurred on April 6, 2012. It says that on that day, two former security guards for the consulate in Benghazi threw homemade improvised explosives over the consulate fence. That incident resulted in no casualties. The Wall Street Journal first reported last month that on June 6 militants detonated an explosive at the perimeter gate of the consulate, blowing a hole through the barrier. The letter to Clinton quotes one source who described the crater as “big enough for forty men to go through.”
Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:52 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The militants had already targeted Americans. Twice. When holes are blown in the gate of your compound, that's a pretty damn big indication you're being targeted. Quote: U.S. Consulate in Benghazi Bombed Twice in Run-Up to 9/11 Anniversary Oct 2, 2012 4:45 AM EDT Jihadists twice set off explosives at the consulate prior to the incident that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens, and announced threats on Facebook about escalating attacks on Western targets in the run-up to the 9/11 anniversary, according to whistle blowers reaching out to House Republicans... the first time a bombing at the U.S. consulate that occurred on April 6, 2012. It says that on that day, two former security guards for the consulate in Benghazi threw homemade improvised explosives over the consulate fence. That incident resulted in no casualties. The Wall Street Journal first reported last month that on June 6 militants detonated an explosive at the perimeter gate of the consulate, blowing a hole through the barrier. The letter to Clinton quotes one source who described the crater as “big enough for forty men to go through.” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/02/u-s-consulate-in-benghazi-bombed-twice-in-run-up-to-9-11-anniversary.html " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Friday, November 2, 2012 1:55 AM
Quote:CIA rushed to save diplomats as Libya attack was underway The CIA rushed security operatives to an American diplomatic compound in Libya within 25 minutes of its coming under attack and played a more central role in the effort to fend off a night-long siege than has been acknowledged publicly, U.S. intelligence officials said Thursday. The agency mobilized the evacuation effort, took control of an unarmed U.S. military drone to map possible escape routes, dispatched an emergency security team from Tripoli, the capital, and chartered aircraft that ultimately carried surviving American personnel to safety, U.S. officials said.
Friday, November 2, 2012 3:10 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Thus, the reported cable does nothing to contradict the administration's narrative that an anti-Islam video was a catalyst for the attack. Indeed, the people responsible for the attack reportedly said that they attacked the consulate because of the video.
Friday, November 2, 2012 3:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Thus, the reported cable does nothing to contradict the administration's narrative that an anti-Islam video was a catalyst for the attack. Indeed, the people responsible for the attack reportedly said that they attacked the consulate because of the video. So now we're back to "There was no terrorist attack. It was just violent protests over a video."?
Friday, November 2, 2012 3:34 AM
Friday, November 2, 2012 5:39 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Thus, the reported cable does nothing to contradict the administration's narrative that an anti-Islam video was a catalyst for the attack. Indeed, the people responsible for the attack reportedly said that they attacked the consulate because of the video. So now we're back to "There was no terrorist attack. It was just violent protests over a video."? What ever it takes, to keep the people( if there are any left ) from following up on this, and keep them running in circles, until AFTER the election. That's all that matters w/ this group. No matter what. Win the election. Keep power. 4 dead in Libya ? A small price to pay for Obama's extremist far, left wing agenda. @ Jongs... You said " McCainius ". Heh heh... heh heh. " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Friday, November 2, 2012 9:48 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The account given by the senior officials provided the most detailed description to date of the C.I.A.’s role in Benghazi, a covert presence that appears to have been much more significant than publicly disclosed. Within 25 minutes of being alerted to the attack against the diplomatic mission, half a dozen C.I.A. officers raced there from their base about a mile away, enlisting the help of a handful of Libyan militia fighters as they went. Arriving at the mission about 25 minutes after that, the C.I.A. officers joined State Department security agents in a futile search through heavy smoke and enemy fire for Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens before evacuating the mission’s personnel to the apparent safety of their base, which American officials have called an annex to the mission. Mr. Stevens was one of four Americans killed in the attack. A four-hour lull in the fighting beginning shortly after midnight seemed to suggest that the worst was over. An unarmed military drone that the C.I.A. took control of to map possible escape routes relayed reassuring images to Tripoli and Washington. But just before dawn, and soon after a C.I.A.-led team of reinforcements, including two military commandos, arrived from Tripoli, a brief but deadly mortar attack surprised the Americans. Two of the C.I.A. security officers who were defending the base from a rooftop were killed. “The officers on the ground in Benghazi responded to the situation on the night of 11 and 12 September as quickly and as effectively as possible,” one of the senior intelligence officials told reporters. Thursday’s briefing for reporters was intended to refute reports, including one by Fox News last Friday, that the C.I.A.’s chain of command had blocked the officers on the ground from responding to the mission’s calls for help. “There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of continuing investigations by the State Department and the F.B.I. At a time when the circumstances surrounding the attack on the Benghazi compound have emerged as a major political issue, with Republicans criticizing the Obama administration’s handling of the episode, the senior official also sought to rebut reports that C.I.A. requests for support from the Pentagon that night had gone unheeded. In fact, the official said, the military diverted a Predator drone from a reconnaissance mission in Darnah, 90 miles away, in time to oversee the mission’s evacuation. The two commandos, based at the embassy in Tripoli, joined the reinforcements. And a military transport plane flew the wounded Americans and Mr. Stevens’s body out of Libya. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/world/africa/cia-played-major-defensive-role-in-libya-attack.html?ref=world&_r=0
Quote: A slew of new reporting this morning debunks Fox News reports claiming that the Obama administration withheld assistance during the Sept. 11 attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya. With these revelations, the combined conservative narrative as led by Fox News — that the Obama administration failed to respond adequately during the attack and that mainstream media has not covered Benghazi enough — is in further disarray. The new reports also contain previously unreported details about the CIA’s role in Benghazi. President Obama and Secretary of Defense Panetta did order U.S. forces into the region, but the CIA was the first to respond to the attack, arriving on the scene in under half an hour. The lack of security at the outpost in Benghazi, far removed from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, has been the subject of inquiry by both Fox News and Congressional Republicans. The Wall Street Journal sheds new light onto why that was the case. The CIA and State Department had entered into a series of secret deals in which the Agency would provide emergency security to the diplomats operating within Libya. While the State Department primarily relied upon local Libyan militias for day-to-day protection, as well as contracted British private security, the arrangement between it and the CIA explains why the outpost seemed under-protected. The primary role of the CIA was intelligence gathering and covert operations within Benghazi. Agents there operated out of an annex originally reported to be an offshoot of the diplomatic mission, revealed officially — and accidentally — during Issa’s highly politicized hearing into the Benghazi attacks. http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/11/02/1128831/new-details-discredit-fox-news-benghazi/?mobile=nc
Quote: ?9:40 p.m.: A senior State Department security officer at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi called the CIA base, at an annex about a mile away, and requested assistance: “The compound is under attack. People are moving through the gates.” CIA officers at the base can hear the alarm, and a team immediately begins gathering weapons and preparing to leave. ?10:04 p.m.: A six-person rescue squad from the agency’s Global Response Staff (GRS) leaves in two vehicles. The team leader is a career CIA officer; the team includes a contractor named Tyrone Woods, who later died. During the previous 24-minute interval, the CIA base chief calls the February 17 Brigade, other militias and the Libyan intelligence service seeking vehicles with .50-caliber machine guns. Nobody responds. The team leader and the base chief agree at 10:04 that they can’t wait any longer, and the squad heads for the consulate. The senior intelligence official said that he doesn’t know whether Woods or any of the other team members agitated to go sooner but added that he wouldn’t be surprised. “I want them to have a sense of urgency,” he said. ?10:10 p.m.: The rescue team reached a chaotic intersection a few blocks from the consulate. Militias gathered there have several .50-caliber machine guns, which the CIA team tries unsuccessfully to commandeer; three militiamen offer to help. The rescue party now includes 10 people: six GRS officers, a CIA translator and the three Libyan volunteers. ?10:20 p.m.: A reconnaissance party of two GRS officers heads to the consulate; at 10:25, three more GRS officers enter the main gate and begin engaging the attackers. The firefight lasts about 15 minutes. ?10:40 p.m.: Members of the CIA team enter the burning inferno of “Villa C,” where Ambassador Christopher Stevens is believed to be hiding. CIA officers try numerous times to reach the “safe room” but are driven back by the intense smoke and fire. Small-arms fire continues from the Libyan attackers. ?11:11 p.m.: An unarmed military Predator drone arrives over the compound to provide aerial reconnaissance. The drone had been diverted from a mission over Darnah, about 90 minutes away. But without weapons, it can’t help much. ?11:15 p.m.: The CIA team puts a group of State Department officers into a vehicle and sends it to the agency base; at 11:30, the CIA officers depart under fire and reach the annex six minutes later. ?11:56 p.m.: CIA officers at the annex are attacked by a rocket-propelled grenade and small arms. Sporadic attacks continue for about another hour. The attacks stop at 1:01 a.m., and some assume the fight is over. ?1:15 a.m.: CIA reinforcements arrive on a 45-minute flight from Tripoli in a plane they’ve hastily chartered. The Tripoli team includes four GRS security officers, a CIA case officer and two U.S. military personnel on loan to the agency. They don’t leave the Benghazi airport until 4:30 a.m. The delay is caused by negotiations with Libyan authorities over permission to leave the airport; obtaining vehicles; and the need to frame a clear mission plan. The first idea is to go to a Benghazi hospital to recover Stevens, who they rightly suspect is already dead. (Also killed was a State Department communication specialist.) But the hospital is surrounded by the al-Qaeda-linked Ansar al-Sharia militia that mounted the consulate attack. ?5:04 a.m.: The team from Tripoli arrives at the CIA base. Glen Doherty, one of the GRS men from Tripoli, goes to the roof and joins Woods in firing positions. ?5:15 a.m.: A new Libyan assault begins, this time with mortars. Two rounds miss and the next three hit the roof. The rooftop defenders never “laser the mortars,” as has been reported. They don’t know the weapons are in place until the indirect fire begins, nor are the mortars observed by the drone overhead. The defenders have focused their laser sights earlier on several Libyan attackers, as warnings not to fire. At 5:26 the attack is over. Woods and Doherty are dead and two others are wounded. ?6 a.m.: Libyan forces from the military intelligence service finally arrive, now with 50 vehicles. They escort the Americans to the airport. A first group of 18, including two wounded, depart at 7 a.m. A second group of 12, plus the four dead, leave at 10 a.m. for Tripoli and then the long flight back to America. A detailed CIA timeline of the assault on U.S. facilities in Benghazi paints an anguishing picture of embattled Americans waiting for Libyan security forces who didn’t come and courageous CIA officers who died on a rooftop without the heavy weapons they needed, trying to protect their colleagues below. There’s no evidence that the White House or CIA leadership deliberately delayed or impeded rescue efforts. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-cias-benghazi-timeline-reveals-errors-but-no-evidence-of-conspiracy/2012/11/01/a84c4024-2471-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html
Friday, November 2, 2012 9:55 AM
Friday, November 2, 2012 10:44 AM
Quote:Am I duplicating, or did nobody else post the new developments in this?
Friday, November 2, 2012 10:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Am I duplicating, or did nobody else post the new developments in this? I posted it first thing this morning, but I guess it managed to somehow mysteriously get overlooked by our resident righties since it doesn't fit their timeline or rush to judgment. "I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero "I was wrong" - Hero, 2012 Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!" Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."
Friday, November 2, 2012 10:57 AM
Friday, November 2, 2012 12:59 PM
Friday, November 2, 2012 5:16 PM
Monday, November 5, 2012 7:58 AM
Quote: In an astonishing display of media malpractice, CBS News quietly released proof--two days before the election, far too late to reach the media and the public--that President Barack Obama lied to the public about the Benghazi attack, as well as about his later claim to have called the attack "terrorism" from the beginning. CBS unveiled additional footage from its 60 Minutes interview with President Obama, conducted on Sep. 12 immediately after Obama had made his statement about the attacks in the Rose Garden, in which Obama quite clearly refuses to call the Benghazi an act of terror when asked a direct question by reporter Steve Kroft: KROFT: Mr. President, this morning you went out of your way to avoid the use of the word terrorism in connection with the Libya Attack, do you believe that this was a terrorism attack? OBAMA: Well it’s too early to tell exactly how this came about, what group was involved, but obviously it was an attack on Americans. And we are going to be working with the Libyan government to make sure that we bring these folks to justice, one way or the other. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/05/Proof-Obama-Refused-to-Call-Benghazi-Terror-CBS-Covered-Up
Monday, November 5, 2012 8:01 AM
Monday, November 5, 2012 8:15 AM
Quote:Well it’s too early to tell exactly how this came about, what group was involved, but obviously it was an attack on Americans. And we are going to be working with the Libyan government to make sure that we bring these folks to justice, one way or the other.
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