More GOP Family Values by Kwicko

Is there a chart somewhere that shows sex offenders
by their political-religious affilliations?

I have an RSO neighbor here, and he's as far right as
they come. Worships Rush Limbaugh & Newt Gingrich.
Rageoholic, loves to condemn others, ala Old Testament.

ETA: The Traditional Values of Sex Offenders and Their Victims,
by John A. Hules
PDF: www.hules.us/CS_ch02.pdf

(Me behind the times. The connection has long been documented.
I grabbed one of the 1st links I saw. Plenty more.)

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 4:19 PM

To quote Jay Leno, “Most people think GOP stands for ‘gay old pedophiles.’”
This Republican Sex Offender Registry will remind you why you should keep
these perverts out of our government!

http://www.larryflynt.com/mycms/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,print,0&am
p;cntnt01articleid=44&cntnt01showtemplate=false&cntnt01returnid=15

List of offenders is rather impressive. Can the Democrats match it?

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 10:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA

No, they cannot.
I have yet to understand why, and I been lookin over this for YEARS, but it averages out to about 12-to-1, 12 Republican convictions for every Democrat convicted.
This is not an indicator of overall corruption however, so much as on this particular crime it all mainly goes in that direction, I have some thoughts on it, but not sure if I wanna express them at the moment cause that is a deep dark rabbithole to be diving into, with actual proven stuff that if you didn't have hard sources (and sometimes even with em!) it'd sound like one of PNs crackpot conspiracies - Franklin, Abramoff, Jeff Gannon, Rusty Nelson, Boystown, after-hours delivery of boys to the white house....

Again, the more one denies and suppresses their humanity, often at the behest of insane, inhumane puritanical "values", the more twisted in which the form with which it finally expresses itself.

-Frem

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 6:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Quote:
Again, the more one denies and suppresses their humanity, often at the behest of insane, inhumane puritanical "values", the more twisted in which the form with which it finally expresses itself.

Bang on.

I have no doubt whatsoever that any studies done on CORRUPTION have found it exists pretty much the same in all parties and persuasions. But yes, when it comes to sex, that's long been documented and accepted (by everyone but them!).

What's saddest is that some of the worst examples are, naturally as Frem said, the most conservative, religious and fervent ANTI-gay people around:

http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay/
joanne

Not to mention coverups:

http://davidellisdickerson.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/why-child-abuse-is
-the-religious-conservatives-problem-2/

Given that the GOP is pretty obviously male-dominated, it's really not all that surprising, as this author opines:

Quote:
A big, male-dominated institution is presented with evidence of sexual abuse perpetrated from within its ranks. Rather than doing all they can to report the crimes and aid victims in their pursuit of justice, leaders of the institution circle the wagons and protect their own. Maintaining the institution's vaunted reputation, which brings with it much power and riches, is prioritized over rooting out the guilty and promoting a safe environment for all.

Today the subject is the Penn State football program, but it could just as easily be the Catholic Church or the U.S. military or any institution that enjoys a faithful following. The many individuals who are the real strength of these institutions -- the players, the churchgoers, the troops -- are mostly innocent bystanders or collateral damage in these terrible scandals. The men at the top who stand to lose the most, they are the ones who tarnish these institutions through reckless acts of self preservation. Even worse than the shame they bring to the institutions they lead is the danger to countless women and children that they help to sustain, the crimes that accumulate under their watch.

Let's not fool ourselves: Sexism and patriarchy are tightly woven into these "scandals" -- without them, these heinous acts would be viewed much more critically and not allowed to fester. Silence and denial would not be an option. The privilege that has been heaped upon these men flows from a culture that continues to value men's authority and accomplishments over the rights and safety of women. Powerful men have proven time and again that they will fight fiercely to protect the elevated status from which they greatly benefit. Protecting children, meanwhile, is still considered mainly the province of women. Which begs the question, if women ran these institutions, would sexual abuse be swept under the rug to the degree that it is now? http://www.now.org/news/blogs/index.php/sayit/2012/07/12/bringing-an-e
nd-to-sexual-abuse-cover-ups

I'm not really sure about that last; if women gain power by behaving like men to be accepted and aping their mentality, WOULD it be much better? I wonder.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 7:47 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
List of offenders is rather impressive. Can the Democrats match it?

In my job I prosecute a large number of sex offenders. I've found that most tend to be low income and on govt assistance of some kind...in other words, Democrats. But these people are not political or famous in any way so party affiliation has nothing to do with what they do or who they are.

I note for the record that ideology does matter in some circles. For example, if you are a famous devient Republican you get condemned. If you are a liberal producer/director who drugs and rapes young girls you get defended...because it's not "rape rape". But this is not about sex offenders, its politics. A liberal can get drunk and drive off a bridge killing his passenger, use racist language, sexually harass a subordinate, rape a child, or pretty much anything else and as long as he or she votes the right way...it's all good.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 8:00 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Names and dates would be helpful to making your point.

"liberal producer/director who drugs and rapes young girls"

Would that be Roman Polanski, dating back to 1977? If I found more recent cases involving republicans/ conservatives (Rush Limbaugh) would being more recent make it more meaningful?

So yes, names and dates please, otherwise you've got nothing.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 11:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

In my job I prosecute a large number of sex offenders. I've found that most tend to be low income and on govt assistance of some kind...in other words, Democrats. But these people are not political or famous in any way so party affiliation has nothing to do with what they do or who they are.

I note for the record that ideology does matter in some circles. For example, if you are a famous devient Republican you get condemned. If you are a liberal producer/director who drugs and rapes young girls you get defended...because it's not "rape rape". But this is not about sex offenders, its politics. A liberal can get drunk and drive off a bridge killing his passenger, use racist language, sexually harass a subordinate, rape a child, or pretty much anything else and as long as he or she votes the right way...it's all good.

Show some evidence where that sort of behaviour is tolerated if done by a liberal.

It's the sheer hypocracy that adds the sting. You can't accuse Hugh hefner of hypocracy, even if you despise what he does. He says what he is, an old drunk guy who likes boffing women a quarter of his age. He is a shallow sexist dick, but he is an honest shallow, sexist dick.

It;s those conservatives who get on their soap boxes and preach family values and how we should all live. Then the bad behaviour is doubley galling.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 1:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

In my job I prosecute a large number of sex offenders. I've found that most tend to be low income and on govt assistance of some kind...in other words, Democrats.

Cites?

You claim that most low income people on some sort of government assistance are Democrats. Do you have any kind of info that would back that up? Or is that just more of your party's "47%" nonsense?

And in your line of work, when you're prosecuting people, do you actually ask them their party affiliation? Or again, are you just pulling your "facts" out of the same hole you usually pull them from?

Because this guy is a registered Republican, with an endorsement from a high-profile Republican.

Do any of your sex offenders meet those criteria?

Or are you just going for the false equivalency?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 2:52 PM

Vox Day comments on Gay Old Pedophiles (2006)

http://www.wnd.com/2006/10/38168/

"Mark Foley isn’t a fringe figure on the perimeter of
the party; at the time of his resignation last week,
he was a six-term congressman from Florida expected
to easily win election to a seventh term in office.

"But despite the lingering aftershocks from a media
quake that will continue to reverberate for some time
from a scandal that is at least a 4.0 on the Rupert
scale, Mark Foley is not the central issue here. Foley
is merely the latest symptom in a disease that has been
evident for quite some time now in a Republican Party
that values power over principle and the perquisites of
politicians over the God-given rights of the American
people."

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 2:56 PM

Why are so many Republicans Pedophiles? (2009)

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/why-are-so-many-republicans-pedo
philes/question-266125/?page=1&postId=9584967#post_9584967

* Fox News producer Aaron Bruns was arrested on charges
of possessing child pornography.

* Republican activist and former presidential campaign
chairman Jeffrey Claude Bartleson was arrested on charges
of sexually molesting a 5-year old boy.

* Republican activist and former chairman of the Christian
County Republicans Royce Fessenden pleaded guilty to two
counts of first-degree child molestation and one count of
second-degree statutory sodomy.

* Republican parole board officer and former legislator
George C. (Chris) Ortloff pleaded guilty to attempting to
lure 11- and 12-year-old girls to have sex with him.

* Republican legislative aide Robert R. Groezinger was
arrested for possessing child pornography ... (etc.)

Oonj: I'm having fun, 'cause I'm the last to know about the
epidemic of GOP sexual misconduct.

Yes, as a young adult, I realized that an upbringing of heavy
sexual repression would usually result in a backlash ... that
when the mind says "No" while the body says "Yes," the body
will have its way sooner than later.

It just never occurred to me that people who suffer from this
illness would commonly seek public office where their behavior
inevitably destroys the respect and acceptance they need.

It also seems incredible that such are supported by their GOP
pals who could clearly see the train wreck coming. Stranger
than fiction!

=========================
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Perfect for your car, truck, van, motorhome, motorcycle, helmet, notebook,
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Sunday, November 4, 2012 3:02 PM

Good points, Oonjerah. I think the same applies to why so many priests abuse.

When all or most sex is seen as taboo, then what differentiates between what most of us consider normal sexual behaviour - ie grown ups having consenusal sex and taboos - sex with unwilling people, minors etc. If you gonna go to hell, might as well go for the big stuff

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 3:13 PM

I read this one years ago, and it could apply ...

Pedophiles still identify as children.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 3:18 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Great Dems in history....

Bill Clinton : Governor - President - serial sexual predator and rapist

John Edwards : Senator - VP Nominee - adulterer while wife was dying from cancer

Ted Kennedy : Senator - Presidential candidate - drunken slob, adulterer, and murderer

John F. Kennedy : Senator - President - pill-popping serial adulterer

Barney Frank : Congressman - ran gay brothel in Capitol basement

Gary Condit : Congressman - adulterer with young intern

Gary Hart : Senator - Presidential candidate - adulterer

Elliot Spitzer : Governor - call girl adulterer

and the beat goes on. Power corrupts some men. Dems have had many national and high profile scumbags. Repubs tend to be unknown perverts and religious hypocrites, but Dems have plenty of those as well.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 3:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Jong, please. You do yourself no favors with this argument.

Do you REALLY not understand the difference between molesting children and having affairs?

Really?

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 3:59 PM

I doubt it's just the power. Behavior likely began before the power.
Yes, Clinton was an adulterer too.

Pretty sure the Kennedys learned it at their Daddy's knee. Always
wondered how Mass could keep electing Ted. BTW, manslaughter
ain't murder.
..........................

I found this on the "Why are so many Republicans Pedophiles?" page
linked above. First reply titled:
"PROBABLY FOR THE SAME REASON SO MANY DEMOCRATS ARE...."

Going thru that list, I found only 1 where an elected representative
was charged and convicted. As for supposed misconduct of a poli-
tician's staff member, rumors, sex between consenting adults albeit
one of them a pro, I passed.

REP MEL REYNOLDS (D-Ill.):
Freshman Reynolds was indicted on Aug. 19, 1994, on charges of having sex
with a 16-year-old campaign worker and then pressuring her to lie about it.
Reynolds, who is black, denied the charges and said the investigation was
racially motivated. ... Reynolds was convicted on Aug. 22, 1995 of 12 counts
of sexual assault, obstruction of justice & solicitation of child pornography,
was sentenced to five years in prison, and resigned his seat on October 1.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 4:07 PM

Here ya go, Jongsie:

Great Republican sex offenders in history:

Thad Viers (R) the three term South Carolina state representative withdrew as a candidate for the US Congress in January 2012 after he had been arrested on charges of harassing a 28 year old woman described as an ex-girlfriend. He was released on a $5000 bond and subsequently withdrew from the race citing "personal reasons".

Herman Cain (2012 Republican presidential candidate) was accused of sexual harassment by several women including Sharon Bialek, Karen Kraushaar, and having a 13 year affair with Ginger White. Donna Donella also reported possible inappropriate behavior. These accusations eventually caused him to suspend his run for the presidential nomination.

Chris Lee, Representative (R-NY) Resigned hours after a news report that the married Congressman had sent a shirtless picture of himself flexing his muscles to a woman via Craigslist, along with flirtatious emails. He did not use a pseudonym or a false email address, but relied on his congressional email for all communication.

Mark Souder, (R-IN) a staunch advocate of abstinence and family values, resigned to avoid an ethics investigation into his admitted extramarital affair with a female staffer. Famously, he and she had made a public video in which they both extolled the virtues of sexual abstinence.

Republican National Committee fired administrator Allison Meyers for her role in allowing $52,000 to be spent for a fund raiser at Club Voyeur which included bondage and topless dancers.

Tom Ganley (R-OH) and candidate for the US House of Representatives in 2010 was indicted on seven counts of sexual imposition with a woman he met at a Tea Party Rally.

Chip Pickering, (R-MS) On July 16, 2009 it was announced that his wife had filed an alienation of affection lawsuit against a woman with whom Chip allegedly had an affair. The lawsuit claimed the adulterous relationship ruined the Pickerings' marriage and his political career.

Samuel B. Kent, Federal District Judge in Texas Appointed by George H.W. Bush in 1990. Accused of sexually harassing two female employees. He was impeached for abusing his authority and imprisoned for 33 months for obstruction of justice.

John Ensign Senator (R-NV) Resigned his position as Chairman of the Senate Republican Policy Committee on June 16, 2009, after admitting he had an affair with the wife of a close friend, both of whom were working on his campaign.

Vito Fossella, Representative (R-NY) Arrested for drunken driving. Under questioning, the married Congressman and father of three admitted to an affair with Laura Fay that produced a daughter.

Randall L. Tobias, Deputy Secretary of State (R) and former "AIDS Czar" appointed by George W. Bush: Stated that U.S. funds should be denied to countries that permitted prostitution. He resigned on April 27, 2007, after confirming that he had been a customer of Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the DC Madam.

David Vitter, Senator (R-LA): Took over former Congressman Robert Livingston's House seat in 1999, who resigned following revelations of an extramarital affair. At the time, Vitter stated: "I think Livingston's stepping down makes a very powerful argument that (Bill) Clinton should resign as well ..."Vitters' name was then discovered in the address book of the DC Madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey.

Larry Craig, Senator (R-ID) Pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct following his arrest in a Minneapolis airport men's room in June 2007, on a charge of lewd conduct. Senator Craig had previously stated that "people already know that Bill Clinton is a bad boy - a naughty boy."

Mark Foley, Representative (R-FL) Resigned when accused of sending sexually explicit emails to underage male congressional pages.

Brian J. Doyle, (R) Deputy Press Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security was indicted for seducing what he thought was a 14-year-old girl on the Internet; she was actually a sheriff's deputy. On November 17, 2006, he was sentenced to 5 years in prison, 10 years of probation, and was registered as a sex offender.

Jack Ryan, Senate candidate (R-IL) During sealed divorce proceedings in 2004, his wife Jeri Ryan accused him of forcing her to go to public sex clubs and described one as "a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling." Ms. Ryan is better known as Seven of Nine from the TV show Star Trek: Voyager.

Don Sherwood, Representative (R-PA) Failed to win re-election following revelations of a five-year extramarital affair with Cynthia Ore, who accused him of physically abusing her.

David Dreier, Representative (R-CA): Voted against a number of gay rights proposals, but was outed concerning his relationship with his chief of staff.

Steven C. LaTourette, Representative (R-OH): Elected in 1994 and had voted to impeach Bill Clinton for the Lewinsky scandal. He himself had a long-term affair with his chief of staff, Jennifer Laptook, while he was married. He married Laptook after his divorce.

Strom Thurmond, Senator (R-SC): The noted segregationist fathered a child, Essie Mae Washington-Williams, with a 15-year-old African American who was employed by the Thurmond family.

Jeff Gannon a.k.a. James Dale Guckert, a.k.a. "Bulldog": Admitted to White House press conferences as a journalist without proper vetting, and was allowed to ask such sympathetic questions that The Daily Show referred to him as "Chip Rightwingenstein of the Bush Agenda Gazette." Records show he was admitted to the White House numerous times even when there were no press conferences. He later admitted to being a $200-an-hour gay prostitute who had advertised himself on a series of websites with names such as hotmilitarystud.com."

Ed Schrock (R-VA) announced he would abort his 2004 attempt for a third term in Congress after allegedly being caught on tape soliciting sex from a male prostitute after having aggressively opposed various gay-rights issues in Congress, such as same-sex marriage and gays in the military.

Henry Hyde, Representative (R-IL). In 1998, the Internet magazine Salon.com stated that from 1965 to 1969, Hyde conducted an extramarital sexual affair with a married woman who had three children from her marriage. Hyde, who was 41 years old and married when the affair occurred, admitted to the affair in 1998, describing the relationship as a "youthful indiscretion".The revelation of this affair took place as Hyde was spearheading the impeachment hearings of President Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Newt Gingrich, Representative (R-GA) and leader of the Republican Revolution of 1994: Resigned from the House after admitting in 1998 to having had an affair with his intern while he was married to his second wife, and at the same time he was leading the impeachment of Bill Clinton for perjury regarding an affair with his intern Monica Lewinsky.

Robert Livingston, Representative (R-LA): called for the resignation of Bill Clinton and when his own extramarital affairs were leaked, his wife urged him to resign and urge Clinton to do likewise.

Bob Barr Representative (R-GA) had an affair while married. Barr had been the first lawmaker in either chamber to call for Clinton's resignation due to the Lewinsky affair. Barr lost a primary challenge less than three years after the impeachment proceedings.

Dan Burton (R-IN) A combative critic of the Clinton/Lewinsky affair, Burton admitted that he had fathered a child out of wedlock.

Helen Chenoweth-Hage (R-ID) aggressively called for the resignation of Bill Clinton, and admitted to her own six-year affair with a married rancher during the 1980s.

Ken Calvert, Representative (R-CA): champion of the Christian Coalition once said "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky." Arrested for soliciting a prostitute for oral sex in his car.

Robert Packwood, Senator (R-OR): Resigned his office after 29 women came forward with claims of sexual harassment, abuse, and assaults. His denials of any wrongdoing were eventually contradicted by his own diaries boasting of his sexual conquests.

Donald "Buz" Lukens, Representative (R-OH): Resigned before facing an investigation that he fondled a female Washington elevator operator.

Dan Crane (R-IL) censured July 20, 1983 in the Congressional Page sex scandal for having sex with under age congressional pages.

Jon Hinson (R-MS) US Congressman charged with oral sodomy of a male Library of Congress employee.

Robert Bauman (R-MD): U.S. Congressman charged with attempting to solicit sex from a 16-year-old male prostitute.

Thomas Evans (R-DE): U.S. Congressman went golfing in Florida with nude model and lobbyist Paula Parkinson, who suggested her lobbying techniques were "tactile."

John Schmitz (R-CA) and leader of the ultra conservative John Birch Society admitted to having a second family, but refused to accept or support the two children he produced who became wards of the state.

Warren Harding, President (R): While married to his wife Florence, he supposedly had affairs with Carrie Phillips and Nan Britton.

That's not by any means a complete list.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 4:15 PM

Here's just some of the Republican pedophile scandals:

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

*Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

*Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

*Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

*Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

*Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

*Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

*Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

*Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

*Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young girls.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 5:21 PM

Quote:
Mark Souder, (R-IN) a staunch advocate of abstinence and family values, resigned to avoid an ethics investigation into his admitted extramarital affair with a female staffer. Famously, he and she had made a public video in which they both extolled the virtues of sexual abstinence.

See this here is an example of what really makes my blood boil. This hypcrits who sermonise on one thing and do the exact opposite in their private lives.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 10:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Here's just some of the Republican pedophile scandals:

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Maybe it's the European in me, but how is this automatically scandalous and how does it belong in a list of pedophile activities unless there was definitely more than swimming going on?

I went to nude beaches with my family all the time as a child. As does my little half sister. As did many of my friends, some even into their late teens or later. Many people go skinny dipping with their siblings, too. So we've all been in the naked presence of our dads (or others' dads) and it was not even remotely an abusive or sexual situation.

Or is this the kind of culture informed by a "nude = sex" attitude? I once met a young woman from, I think, Oregon who told me she was afraid of travelling to Europe because she might accidentally see naked people and nudity was emotionally distressing to her. Maybe it really is just a culture clash.

But still. Seems like it doesn't belong in this list without either more context or more damning details.

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Monday, November 5, 2012 12:38 AM

NUDITY. Nudity? EeeeK!!

Prudish: excessively proper or modest in speech, conduct,
dress. One who is very proper and cannot stand hearing any
sexual reference; is offended by nudity.

Some cultures might consider Americans prudish.

Nudists in America are a small minority, a sub-culture.
If you want to go naked outdoors in America, it is only
permitted at Nude beaches, Nudist colonies, and screened
or secluded private property.

Comments from:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0721_040721_tvnude_2.h
tml

"Nudity is a taboo in America because we primarily equate
nudity or nakedness with sexuality and we have taboos about
sexuality," said Matthew Westra, a psychology professor at
Longview Community College in Missouri; in the National
Geographic Channel documentary Taboo: Extreme Living. "A
lot of it has to do, I think, with the Puritan and Victorian
heritage that we have, which says that any kind of tempta-
tion will lead you into hell."

Americans are still severely bothered by nakedness.

Modern strip clubs and pornography also strengthen the asso-
ciation between nudity and sex.

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Monday, November 5, 2012 6:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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I've found that most tend to be low income and on govt assistance of some kind...in other words, Democrats

I call bullshit, on so many levels. All of what Hero stated, apparently as fact, is totally absurd unless he can back it up, and merely shows his grasping for things he can say to hit back . In the first place, he speaks from only his own experience, wherever he lives, and whatever he's encountered. In the second, it merely shows his patently partisan attitude and his usual M.O. where he posts things counter to whatever any liberal posts and claims them to be true.

In other words just lealving alone your claim that low-income and government-assisted people are Democrats...

Show us facts and figures where, aside from what you claim you experienced yourself, that more low-income people are sex offenders.

Explain the dichotomy of the Boy Scouts, not a low-income organization I believe, nor certainly liberal, where apparently sex abuse not only happened many times, but was (as far as I've read) almost consistently covered up.

Show us facts where Democrat sex offenders are prosecuted (including in the media) any less than Republican ones--aside, by the way, from the couple of cases you can remember from decades ago!

Otherwise, yours is an opinion, nothing more, and represents a very biased one at best, not something which you can "note for the record". You have provided no record whatsoever.

As to

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It's the sheer hypocracy that adds the sting.

That IS one of the main points. As is Magons' other point that

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hypcrits who sermonise on one thing and do the exact opposite in their private lives.

If one is not only vocally, but ACTIVELY accusing others of things having to do with sex in any way, and claiming the high ground morally, when said person is found to have committed one of the most egregious crimes imaginable, of COURSE it garners more attention...by everyone, not just the media. Magons is spot on. If your ideology suppresses and/or condemns (overtly) everything outside marital sex, you're a hypocrite at the very LEAST to be engaging in it.

As to

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It just never occurred to me that people who suffer from this illness would commonly seek public office where their behavior inevitably destroys the respect and acceptance they need.

Shoot, that's just human nature! It seems as if, from what we hear so often, many who seek public office seem not to connect what they do with the possibility that they will be found out, however blatant and easily-discovered it may be. There's that old "above the rest of you" mentality. Politicians of all stripes seem to think they can get away with anything (a la Edwards, and Foley, which blew my mind when I learned about it...along the lines of "how the hell did he think it wouldn't come out??")

IS it an illness? Or a learned behavior, given many who were abused as children go on to do so themselves?

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Pedophiles still identify as children

Oonj, I found that fascination, and would like to learn more.

Jong, you disappoint me. The fact that you are listing extra-marital sex--and with PROSTITUTES no less--with sexual child abuse is waaaay beneath you, in my opinion. Aside from the fact that a lot of what you wrote is either rumor, unproven and/or just plain false. Clinton was a rapist?!? Kennedy was convicted of murder?!? Barney Frank ran a "gay brothel"?! Please cite facts and figures on all of those (except Edwards, who you pegged correctly). Beyond Edwards, you listed nothing but adulterers...how exactly does that come into the conversation??

In the same vein, I would also claim bullshit to putting people found to have possessed child pornography, unless facts can be given that they actually engaged in sex-abuse. Also accusations and rumors in the column of Republicans; harassment, among a number of those things listed, doesn't rise to the level of "sex abuse" to me unless it is egregious; I recognize your reasons for listing them, Mike, but I don't think they're appropriate. Some may be, as I didn't read past the first few in each post, but I don't accept those as proving much and have no DOUBT many, many Democrats (politicians and otherwise) come under those headings.

Lastly, yes, Agent, if you haven't already bumped up against those of us who've posted about our absurd puritanical attitudes in this country, it is a fact of life, and an absurd, ridiculous one. When you consider our founding fathers were puritanical, that's where it BEGAN, but, like gun ownership, it has evolved to be one of the worst things about our culture, in my opinion. Bear in mind that, to this day, "full frontal nudity" is still ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN on our television and most movies, yet overt sexuality in pretty much any form is both shoved in our faces to get us to buy things and one of the main factors of titillation in our entertainment. As mentioned, sex clubs as well, and I don't know if other countries have "lap dances", but it seems to me the silliest thing, to have someone wriggle around on your lap but there's "no touching"...! Any time you make sex itself and pretty much anything beyond the missionary position "deviant"...well, need I say more?

"Some cultures might consider Americans prudish." "Consider"?? I would say "recognize", myself. I don't know about Britain (except for impressions gained from media/entertainment), but oh, my, our attitudes/actions are only slightly less prudish when compared to many Muslim countries...one can only imagine the double standards that go on beyond public view in THOSE!!

Uhhh, Oonj, when it comes to "Americans are still severely bothered by nakedness", I would change that to "MOST Americans are still severely bothered by nakedness", myownself, and it IS changing, albeit by microscopic increments! Over here, neighbors complain all the time about the people living next to them who dare to walk around nude in their own back yards, much less their own HOMES! It is considered very bad taste to walk around naked in your home; if the windows are open or it is otherwise visible, neighbors actually have the RIGHT to complain, ostensibly because it might "corrupt" children.

And California has a somewhat lower incidence of prudishness than other places--or I should say perhaps the Bay Area. Jim hot-tubs naked every morning he doesn't go to work; he wears a towel to the hot tub then takes it off to get in and puts it on immediately after getting out. Nobody around here has complained, but if he walked OUT to the tub and back nude, we might well get complaints--not from neighbors on either side, I know them and they wouldn't be bothered, but there are two homes directly behind us on the hill, with decks, who might.

And yup, for the strongly religious, as it is practiced in America, the result of "deviating" from any societally-accepted sex, means you go to hell. Of course, if you do it on the sly, no doubt God won't find out about it and you still go to heaven (/sarcasm).

When you suppress sexuality--right up to the point of nudity and (gasp!) saying "vagina" out loud--well, the result is pretty predictable!

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Monday, November 5, 2012 7:21 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Great Dems in history....

Bill Clinton : Governor - President - serial sexual predator and rapist

Boy, you guys sure do forget that "Innocent until PROVEN guilty" thing fast when it suits you, doncha?

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, November 5, 2012 10:22 AM

Niki,

I agree that suppression of sexuality and nudity is harmful because it necessarily warps how these things are expressed, as they must be according to human nature. And I also agree that there's darkness lurking beneath deeply modest cultures, be they Christian or Muslim.

That said, in my corner of the world, unrestrained nudity in your backyard would also be a cause of neighborly sensitivity, and there has been a court decision in Berlin a couple of years back where an actual nudist (i.e. preferring nudity all the time) had to cover her windows because neighbors could not not-see into her apartment looking out of their windows.

That is to say, there is a time and place for nudity as opposed to areas where it is considered rude and inappropriate. But there's still a much more accepting attitude than what you describe. I guess there weren't enough Puritans left here in Europe to have that lasting effect? (Just kidding.)

That said, the vaguely more laissez faire attitude toward nudity and sex is not a factor in child abuse/pedophilia, it appears, since there's more than enough of that crap happening here. Shit like that has happened in my extended family and my circle of friends and not one of the cases was reported because the victims are still too busy trying to sort through how much it has devastated them emotionally. In most cases, their families don't know. I myself kind of narrowly escaped a severely disturbing situation when I was four years old.

All the cases I personally know of involved very different circumstances and very different perpetrators, ranging from vaguely mentally impaired to highly intelligent and manipulative.

I want to think that parents these days are overprotective because children seem to have a lot less unsupervised playtime outside, but... I also have a hard time imagining that this sort of predation is new, so I'm thinking there was just a LOT of undisclosed abuse in the past that has been carried along and did its damaged without ever even being mentioned to anyone. Just look at how many people came forward in the Catholic church abuse scandals, how many said they never admitted to being victims before.

Ugh.

What really, really disturbs me is how sophisticated and organised this sort of abuse also is: trafficking, "pornography", sexual slavery. There are just such deep and disturbing levels to child sexual abuse and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to hear of any level of government official being involved, since a highly sophisticated provider is likely aiming at highly sophisticated customers.

And somehow I don't think there is necessarily a large divide between leftwing and rightwing, politically. It's just too wide-spread and too complex to be that easily sorted.

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Monday, November 5, 2012 10:52 AM

BYTEMITE

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In the same vein, I would also claim bullshit to putting people found to have possessed child pornography, unless facts can be given that they actually engaged in sex-abuse.

Not me. If someone has the stuff, then they probably PAID for it and that means they tacitly supported, aided, and abetted those activities. Paying the people who do it is in my book as bad as doing it themselves.

The reality of the situation is that even only a hundred years ago, girls were regularly getting married at very young ages, usually the time of their first cycle as that signified their ability to conceive. It's also true that many men happen to be attracted to physically developed teenagers. At the same time, there's valid reasons why those are problems and why we created laws about the age of consent - if someone is much older than their partner/victim, then there's an inequality there in both experience, knowledge, and probably economics, and so the relationship is likely to be or become one sided and exploitative. Not to mention the mortality rate for very young mothers.

I can't dictate what people choose to do, but these liaisons are bad ideas and always have been. And as for when people are interested in kids who still look like kids, I can't even begin to understand that one.

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Monday, November 5, 2012 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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In the same vein, I would also claim bullshit to putting people found to have possessed child pornography, unless facts can be given that they actually engaged in sex-abuse.

Not me. If someone has the stuff, then they probably PAID for it and that means they tacitly supported, aided, and abetted those activities. Paying the people who do it is in my book as bad as doing it themselves.

Agree 100%.

Also, actually, with the rest of your post.

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Monday, November 5, 2012 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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In the same vein, I would also claim bullshit to putting people found to have possessed child pornography, unless facts can be given that they actually engaged in sex-abuse.

Not me. If someone has the stuff, then they probably PAID for it and that means they tacitly supported, aided, and abetted those activities. Paying the people who do it is in my book as bad as doing it themselves.

Yep, I'm with you on that one. Even if you haven't paid for it, by creating a demand you are creating the a demand for exploitation of children.

One of the biggest issues I have with pornography in general is the way that the subjects are dehumanised in people's minds, so that they can feel okay about viewing. There are few people out there who would say they would feel okay if it was their friend, daughter, son, partner performing said acts for an audience, but there is a shit load of users who feel no compunction about downloading and watching someone else's friend, daughter etc

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Monday, November 5, 2012 2:34 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

The fact that you are listing extra-marital sex--and with PROSTITUTES no less--with sexual child abuse is waaaay beneath you.

I didn't list the two together, but I'm happy to see you upset over pedophelia. That's something everyone can agree on. But then I have to wonder why you worship and support the ACLU as you do. Do you know they have defended NAMBLA pro bono against lawsuits brought against them by parents of child abuse victims and murdered children? NAMBLA sends out material and has a web site that informs and instructs these men where and how to snatch kids for sex crimes. If ever there was a more despicable case to be made for aiding and abetting I wouldn't know one. So apparently the free speech of an organization that exists solely to help pedophiles do what they do is legally just, despite the tragic results of having their advice and instruction being taken to its' reprehensible results.

Then we have Plannned Parenthood and abortion providers in general. I'm on record as pro-choice, but when it comes to under-age girls it's more complicated. Not the need or right to the abortion, but the historic reluctance or blatant lack of these institutions informing authorities of the name of the criminal impregnator. By definition, any girl who is under age cannot give consent to the act. When she walks in for an abortion, Planned Parenthood has a legal obligation to report a statutory rape to the police immediately. But they often don't because the criminal is the brother, or the father, or the uncle, or the captain of the football team. That's why the whole thing stinks.

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Monday, November 5, 2012 7:10 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I thought I'd reply b/c this seemed like one of those disconnects in reality beyween yours and mine - "But then I have to wonder why you worship and support the ACLU as you do."

Do you mean Niki? Us here? 'The Left'? This is like the endlessly repeated claim that Obama is 'our' 'Messiah'. I look at myself and I don't worship either the ACLU or Obama. I look around and I don't see it in the people I know. And I read the posts here and I don't see it.

So, where did you get the idea that some 'you' worships and supports the ACLU?

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Monday, November 5, 2012 8:01 PM

Putting aside my worship of the ACLU ...

Jong makes a point that interests me. NAMBLA (the North
American Man/Boy Love Association is a pedophile and
pederasty advocacy organization in the United States
that works to abolish age of consent laws criminalizing
adult sexual involvement with minors).

I don't know a great deal about it, except for its claims
to be wholesome, fostering a natural relationship. It's
mind boggling that such an org can/does exist in the USA,
what with our history of lynchings.

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Monday, November 5, 2012 9:03 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Definately a load of tripe in my case, as it's well known I don't care for the ACLU, useful that they can be in other venues....
And the Rust-Tierney thing, which Zero doesn't even mention, had a lot to do with their sympathies at the time.

-F

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Monday, November 5, 2012 9:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

There is plenty of perversion on both sides. Has it occurred to anybody that the Left was the side smart enough to side with the most rampant of perversions that were of 2 or more consenting adults and not only heralded it as a major focal cause of theirs, but also made it completely mainstream, all but buried the Catholic Church and greatly solidified their constituent base at the same time?

Kudos to Dems for pouncing on the one perversion that could not only be defended in court but would become mainstream with an outlet if allowed.

A million apologies at the same time to the hundreds of millions of Christians and or Catholics who never did a thing of the sort but are rounded up by people like you because of their beliefs.

For a supposedly tolerant "wing" of politics, you sure are the most judgmental force any of us have seen in this pathetic life we all lead, short of the Old Testament.

Here's hoping for your own sake that you're right and there's nothing "after".

I'd truly hate for people more judgmental than I to have their way with you if that were to be the case...

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Monday, November 5, 2012 10:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK,

what on earth are you talking about?

IF it is gay marriage, and since you take pains not to mention the phrase I can really not be sure, I have to strongly object to the implied equivalency of being gay with pedophilia/child sexual abuse.

As you rightly point out, one involves consenting adults in the full spectrum of adult sexual relationships ranging from casual to deeply comitted and loving. The other involves adult predator and child prey, where consent - the KEY aspect - is absolutely not possible.

These two things exist on opposite sides of the spectrum of human interaction.

IF you are talking about something else and I merely misunderstood, please clarify.

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Monday, November 5, 2012 11:30 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

AR,

You didn't get me wrong at all AR...

I'm merely stating from a non Atheistic point of view that both are abominations without the restraint of decent law and the citizens that back that law.

It's not Religion's place to put us in our own place when there are two consenting adults though. We, collectively, have no idea if there is or is not a god, so I say let the gays fuck each other on City Hall steps for all I care.

I'm just saying that the Dems jumped on that opportunity with adult gays....

Of course it's not the same as children, and I'm probably the first person in line to take a "bullet" for a kid if I knew this stuff was going on in my neighborhood. Seriously.... you mess with a kid on my block, well, you'd best have a quicker draw than I do when I come for you.

Putting yourself into anther, more religious person's shoes though, butt-fucking men or scissoring by the ladies is just as bad in religion as it has no purpose other than pleasure. Not only that, but the pleasure eclipses the "instinct" to have children.

If everyone were to eventually partake in this practice regularly, particularly in America, it would at best be the fall of Rome, and at worst be the extinction of mankind.

I know it for a fact.

The best sexual trist I ever had was with Laura.... I girl I met at my 3rd attempt at Jr. College while taking a smoke break.

The moment she put out her smoke she asked me if I had one. I then pulled out a smoke and told her that the reason she asked me for a smoke was because she wanted to get to know me and ask me out.

She admitted it was true, and was (at my age at the time) scary addicted to me within days, proclaiming her love within less than a week.

I was done with her, but a weekend she guilted me otherwise....

Even my friend's dad thought I shouldn't be with her. He said within 3 minutes of being alone while I was in the bathroom she was telling he and his wife that she wanted to be a mortician and she took anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.

She thought I had a thing for cows (We were on a road long trip in the boonies and I pointed them out... she previously bought me a steering wheel "cow" pattern and a cow beenie baby... kinda weird at the time...)

After a "sex toy show" we both went to (the girls inside and the boys outside drinking at the keg), she bought an entire cow outfit..... Little known to her, screw the spots, only the horns got me going..... Evil Woman with Horns...

That night......

Messing with the bull... getting the horns.....

After that night, She had the best of me....

Even if I didn't give Her the rest of me...

Fortunately for me, I was much less greedy than she was....

I knew I would never be a good husband or long term lover at the time, especially to her crazy. I was 25 an living at my grandma's with no money, and although her life must have really sucked at home to want me, I couldn't do anything better, so I sent her to better pastures. I hope now that I'm in a much better position that she did that for herself.

I was thrilled 3 months later when a black friend of mine who adored her told me that she was dating one of her friends. I really thought she had killed herself after I didn't hear anything after the breakup. She told me about how she'd do things like put bologna on cars to ruin the paint and such to get back, and none of that happened to me.

Long story short.....

I'm no stranger to anal. Beads or plastic cocks larger than mine.

I'm no innocent. I'm no politician and I'm no Religious figure, nor do I ever plan on being either.

If I ever choose to run for politics, which I might do in this fucked up world, I want this entry as the first think anyone thought about Jack.

In the mean time... If you have a child that is being abused let me know.

I will KILL that person.

Love,
~6

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Monday, November 5, 2012 11:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
AR,

You didn't get me wrong at all AR...

I'm merely stating from a non Atheistic point of view that both are abominations without the restraint of decent law and the citizens that back that law.

It's not Religion's place to put us in our own place when there are two consenting adults though. We, collectively, have no idea if there is or is not a god, so I say let the gays fuck each other on City Hall steps for all I care.

I'm just saying that the Dems jumped on that opportunity with adult gays....

In narrow and very selective interpretation of Christian faith that cherry picks what it considers abominations and what oppressive law it just lets slide as no longer relevant, yes, homosexuality is considered bad.

I have to object to the phrasing, though, that they "jumped on an opportunity". It's not like there was some competition going on to snap up "acceptable perverts" and the Republicans were just too late in snagging those precious homosexuals before the Democrats had them. Attitudes toward gay rights are logical extensions of both right wing and left wing values.

Promoting equal rights for homosexuals is a logical extension of distance from social conservatism, which tends to blur the line between religious law and secular law.

There is no non-religious reason to oppress gay people by denying them equal rights in their partnerships or forcing them to keep their sexual orientation secret. So Dems didn't jump on an opportunity, they are walking a consistent path of socially liberal and secular values.

It's not opportunism if your values are logically geared toward being inclusive of diverse lifestyles or non-traditional sexual orientation.

(Which is not the same thing as tolerating any form of abuse, before false equivalency between homosexuality and any abusive constellations like bestiality, parent-child incest or pederasty is brought up.)

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Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:05 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

What you said, or any equivalent of that....

Especially to those who may never want to admit it publicly, but will admit on a semi-private forum that it is particularly awesome.

As fucked up as my cow-girl was, and no matter what greener pastures I pressured her away to, I never had better sex in 8 years without her crazy ass (or the crazy shit she seduced me to do to mine).

I'm just as guilty as any fag here who came with something up their ass that wasn't a shit about to be let out.

Good for them

No uncouth, un-PC stuff, but I hope that for all of us, no more than 20% feel the same way in 10 years.

Feels like something that shouldn't be talked about, but it's out now.

Women SHOULD be in control of the situation, but as usual, they really don't know what's going on and now something larger than "girl power" is at play.

Don't talk to me about it now... Ask me about it 20 years from now if I'm still alive.

EDITED TO ADD:

R.I.P. AMERICA.........

Women only want what's shiny, and they'll do anything to get it.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:30 AM

1) Not all gay men actually have anal sex, btw. And whatever your issue with this particular practice is, it has probably exactly zero bearing on the future of your country. Actually, I think your attitude toward women as greedy whores (it seems, anyway) would be a LOT more harmful to the future of any society if multiplied than any sexual practice between consenting adults ever could.

2) Do you honestly think that giving gay people equal rights creates more gay people? Sexual orientation is not a choice, it just is. And what influence should women have to "control" this if they weren't too darn ignorant, "as usual"?

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Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:30 AM

What are we talking about again?

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Tuesday, November 6, 2012 12:42 AM

I apologize.

Return to: Pedophile predators are a vile menace. They are most probably not all Republicans. (Was my last point on topic, I believe.)

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Tuesday, November 6, 2012 6:07 AM

BYTEMITE

Hi Jack, welcome back. All the adult sexualities seem screwed up to me and I could not give less of a damn which one a person dabbles in or whether or not kids result. Similarly, if the human race at large decides to not have kids and go extinct, I also don't really care. I figure it's their choice, though I doubt that would happen and I also doubt it would have anything to do with 1 to 5% of the population not doing what everyone else is doing.

However, I will second the statement about kids being off limits.

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Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:56 AM

Jack is apparently back on the booze and deep in his cups, again.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:14 AM

The TMI thread.

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Tuesday, November 6, 2012 1:57 PM