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The Center for Constitutional Rights, a nonprofit agency founded by attorneys who worked for the civil rights movement of the 1960s, also panned the decision not to prosecute.

"It is one of the deepest disappointments of this administration that it appears unwilling to uphold the law where crimes have been committed by former officials," the organization said.

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Drone strikes and war and Patriot Act and torture, compared to drone strikes and war and Patriot Act and torture.

I don't like either, and did not vote for either. But you all knew that.

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I'm actually FOR Drone strikes, and give Obama credit where it's due. Dunno why W didn't use them more.

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I'm actually FOR Drone strikes, and give Obama credit where it's due. Dunno why W didn't use them more.

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Because you don't understand the technology or the R&D needed, or the troop traing time required (which is what we're using them FOR at the moment).

In fact you don't know much, yet you discuss a great deal.

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So, before Obama, there was no RandD for such drones to exist ?

Are you actually saying that, in a round about way, Obama told W " You didn't build that ! " when speaking of TODAY'S cutting edge technology ? For the drones he's using to kill bad guys ?




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I think he's saying the opposite, actually.

W was busy building the drone force that Obama is using now. W didn't use more drones because he didn't have them yet, didn't have sufficient trained operators yet, and they weren't as good yet as they are becoming now.

--Anthony

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Drone strikes and war and Patriot Act and torture, compared to drone strikes and war and Patriot Act and torture.

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I'm actually FOR Drone strikes, and give Obama credit where it's due. Dunno why W didn't use them more.

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Are your for drone strikes here at home, when used by police?

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Actually, I think they may be deploying drones with 'less lethal' weapons soon for crowd control, followed by fully lethal variants for SWAT teams to use when they can't get a convenient firing position.

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Hello,

And she was prettier than Max Headroom.

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I don't know if anyone mentioned this because I am to tireed to read all the posts, but what about Obama's acts with the embassy in lybia, my mom calls it treason, I call it murder

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Hello,

I think he's saying the opposite, actually.

W was busy building the drone force that Obama is using now. W didn't use more drones because he didn't have them yet, didn't have sufficient trained operators yet, and they weren't as good yet as they are becoming now.

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Precisely, and I hold Obama responsible for okaying the drone attacks as training. AND indefinite detention, AND survielance, AND not prosecuting torture asswipes... he's dropped the ball on many fronts.

But, that the job, that's the office, and THAT'S why I'm not a proud American, but simply an American.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Drones

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I'm fairly certain we HAD drones , and in the needed #'s, to carry out the strikes.

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I'm fairly certain we HAD drones , and in the needed #'s, to carry out the strikes.

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What did he do?

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Hello,

What did he do?

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Nothing. Obama DID nothing. He let our men be murdered, when he could have / should have acted. He chose , instead, to do nothing.

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I voted for Obama, but I did it with a sense of distaste. Only the abject horror inspired by the opposition was able to move me to choose him, the lesser of evils...

...Perhaps he felt this was the 'lesser of two evils.' If so, I think it was a fool's bargain.

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I voted for Obama, but I did it with a sense of distaste. Only the abject horror inspired by the opposition was able to move me to choose him, the lesser of evils...

...Perhaps he felt this was the 'lesser of two evils.' If so, I think it was a fool's bargain.

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What did he do?

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Nothing. Obama DID nothing. He let our men be murdered, when he could have / should have acted. He chose , instead, to do nothing.

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No matter how many boots you put on the ground at the scene, it would have happened the same way because Stevens had a mole on his staff.

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Because you distort and , well LIE about what it is that is supposedly so frightening.

Show me where we ACTUALLY tortured anyone, I'll be on your side.






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You don't use the same definition for torture that we use. Mine includes waterboarding.

If I say we torture because we waterboard, you'll say waterboarding isn't torture. It's a pointless argument for both of us, because neither of us can agree on the basic premise of the argument.

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You don't use the same definition for torture that we use. Mine includes waterboarding.

If I say we torture because we waterboard, you'll say waterboarding isn't torture. It's a pointless argument for both of us, because neither of us can agree on the basic premise of the argument.

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The way we waterboarded, isn't torture. Torture is when you do something to somebody, no matter what they say or do, anyways. To avoid waterboarding, or sleep deprivation, or having to listen to an endless loop of Cindi Lauper, Barney - The Purple Dinosaur, or what ever, these guys at Gitmo could have given up the information. Hell, most of them live better at Club Gitmo than they would over in Afghanistan. Only they don't get to shag any little boys, or cut off parts of women, who dare to do something as evil as LEARN , in a school.

Damn,we so oppressive !



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And by that measure, it matters not what you do if the victim has information you need. It's possible to justify any procedure of pain.

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To avoid waterboarding, or sleep deprivation, or having to listen to an endless loop of Cindi Lauper, Barney - The Purple Dinosaur, or what ever, these guys at Gitmo could have given up the information.

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Defiance was the other viable alternative. Brazen, unapologetic defiance. It tells them you will not let them break your spirit and compromise your morality by reducing you groveling for their table scraps.

If someone offered you two unthinkable choices, such as kill your child or kill you, you might pick killing yourself as the "lesser of two evils."

Or you can say, "Fuck you. I am not going to choose." Anything else is a fool's bargain.

I only say this to you, Anthony, because I think you of all people here would understand me.

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Rapster defines all that we know; his view is the only reasonable one- if you disagree YOU are wrong.

This is all you need to know when conversing with him.

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Rapster defines all that we know; his view is the only reasonable one- if you disagree YOU are wrong.

This is all you need to know when conversing with him.

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No, my view is MY view. We can disagree to disagree, but don't cherry pick my words, twist my meaning, and then claim I'm some sort of gorram monster because of the BS concocted out of pure imagination.

It's really very simple.

Start bearing false witness, and vilifying me for that which I DON'T think, for things I NEVER said, on top of the things we already disagree, then there's no point in carrying on this charade of pleasant discourse any longer. It all devolves into a dog pile on the one guy who won't bend to the will of everyone else, with an array of goofy sigs and gifs, and let's not forget the cartoonish emoticons.

I'd like to think that our brief existence in the Cosmos is spent doing better things than all this. Again.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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