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The Convoluted Campaign Against Susan Rice

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:30
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Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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The two angry Republican senators have been plotting for weeks to stop Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, from rising any further in the Washington firmament. On Nov. 27, their task got more complicated.

Graham, of South Carolina, and McCain, of Arizona -- joined occasionally by Senator Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, if only to make it not seem like two men beating up on a woman -- are all aboil about the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans. Well, not exactly: They are upset about what Rice said about the attack on several Sunday-morning talk shows five days later.

Why are they upset at Rice and not, say, officials in charge of security at the mission? Or, if they want to go big, why not Secretary of State Hillary Clinton?

Probably because they wanted to go after a lesser official whom President Barack Obama would like to be secretary of state. Or because they don’t want to talk about how Republicans have consistently denied funds to protect diplomatic posts in dangerous places. Or because they don’t want to discuss how supportive they were last decade when then National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of State Colin Powell gave testimony that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Powell and Rice then, like Susan Rice now, were relying on information provided by the intelligence community. There is, however, a major difference: Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice were testifying before official government bodies to justify going to war. Susan Rice was filling airtime between ads for erectile-dysfunction drugs.

Of course, all of this is just more evidence of Washington being full of itself. Only in Washington do people take seriously something said to a tiny audience of insiders half- watching their televisions on a Sunday morning. So seriously that a few senators want to embark on a special investigation beyond those already under way (hearings by congressional committees and a State Department inquiry, headed by former Ambassador Thomas Pickering and ordered by Clinton).

It doesn’t make sense unless you’re just looking for conflict or are up for re-election. As it happens, McCain, the grumpy old man of the Senate, is often spoiling for a fight, and the ally of the man who defeated him four years ago is a satisfying target. And Graham, who must face voters in the red state of South Carolina in two years, already features his dispute with Rice in campaign ads.

Then again, this story is getting pretty convoluted. It’s hard enough to know what really happened in Benghazi in September. It’s harder still to implicate Rice in some kind of cover-up. This week’s events will undoubtedly provide more fodder for another round of Sunday-morning talk shows. But the story McCain and Graham are trying to sell is getting harder and harder to swallow. More at http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-28/the-convoluted-campaign-again
st-susan-rice.html


Pretty much says it all. There is no logic or common sense in the attacks on Rice, when there are actual issues to look at, rather than what someone said on Sunday talk shows. So what is the "logic" in McCain, et al., continuing their witch hunt? I can't find any...except what the author suggests.

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Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:36 AM

JONGSSTRAW


McCain has come out of his four years in obscurity and gone back to being the loopy and dopey media whore he always was. These Republican senators main problem with her is that she went along knowingly or unkowingly with a storyline designed to help Obama politically before the election. Oh gosh golly gee! Oh heavens to murgatroid! Hey guys and gals, that's how the ball bounces in the big leagues. I think they're just pissed and embarrassed that neither they nor Romney had the intelligence or the guts to make a strong or articulate case of it to the American people before the election. They all took a calculated risk to say nothing for two months, and then they lost. Now they want to take their pound of flesh from Susan Rice. How pathetic! I would much rather see Susan Rice as Sec. of State than John Kerry any day of the week.

I'm also really sick of seeing McCain's mug every time I turn on the tv. Who made him the grand poobah of anything anyway? Ed Harris was a better McCain than McCain.








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Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Now THERE's a very valid point that nobody's mentioned. I, too, would far rather see her as Secretary of State than Kerry! I hadn't even thought of that, so thank you for mentioning it!

Unfortunately, many on the right would NOT. The fact that a number of them who are so vociferously going after Rice have put Kerry FORTH as someone who would "sail through the nomination process", is more indicationg to me that the conspiracy theory might well be right...they want that open seat that Kerry would leave, in the hopes Scott Brown could get back in the Senate.
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Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY) said that Obama should nominate Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, to replace Sec. Clinton. Barrasso said that Kerry would be easily confirmed by the Senate should Obama nominate him over Rice.

“If the president wants an easy confirmation hearing and an easy confirmation process, what he would do is nominate John Kerry – who is eminently qualified to be Secretary of State – and I believe he would sail thorough in the nominating process,” Barrasso said.

After repeating his objections to Rice’s nomination, Barrasso reiterated that a “smooth confirmation process” to replace Sec. Clinton would be achieved by nominating Sen. Kerry. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gop-senator-backs-john
-kerry-for-secretary-of-state-i-believe-he-would-sail-through-the-nominating-process/

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"I think John Kerry would be an excellent appointment and would be easily confirmed by his colleagues," Maine Republican Senator Susan Collins said. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57555981-10391739/collins-contin
ues-attacks-on-rice-says
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kerry-would-be-excellent-secretary-of-state/


Without mentioning Kerry, one Republican has already suggested an alternative post for Rice:
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Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN), the presumptive next Republican leader on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said today that U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice is too political and not independent enough to be secretary of state.

"I've had warm relations with Susan Rice, and to me, if you look at what happened that day, I think she would be an outstanding head of the [Democratic National Committee]," Corker told The Cable in a short interview today.More at http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/27/corker_rice_
would_make_a_better_dnc_chair_than_secretary_of_state


That's ALSO how it's done in the big leagues.
(Again, I had to split the links so the text would wrap.)

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:52 AM

STORYMARK


As per usualy, Jon Stewart totally nailed them on this last night:

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“Unfortunately, that’s not really a fair one-to-one comparison, because Susan Rice admitted to the error within weeks — these two still refuse to acknowledge that invading a country based on information from a source named ‘curveball’ was actually considered a pretty shitty idea by many at the time,” Stewart said.

“If only we had a more direct comparison to make here. Like another high-ranking government official passing what they knew at the time was misleading intelligence to the American public on a Sunday news show, also in line to become secretary of state, and was African American, and a woman, and lets say her name was also Rice. That’d be something.”






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Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:07 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Another thought: If the R's get Rice eliminated and Kerry put in, the whole Swift Boat thing will come up again, and they won't appoint HIM either. But they will have whacked her, and got him out of a voting seat in the Senate.

Wait for it...

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Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:16 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Mark...lots of people are asking precisely the same questions, even of McCain. I forget his response--I'll look for it, it's got to be a doozy!

But NewOld, if he's NOT made Secretary of State, doesn't he retain his Senate seat? I don't think he has to actually give it up unless he GETS another job, does he?

ETA: Nope, can't find where McCain was asked specifically about Condi Rice v. Susan Rice. The contrast is ALL OVER the internet, and I've heard it from numerous pundits, but it doesn't appear anyone has asked him directly. Someone should!

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:30 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Why does there need to be any 'comparison' of Susan Rice at all ? It's beyond childish, to ignore the primary issue, and instead go leaping and bounding to look at Iraq as some sort of " Yeah, but lookie at what YOU did " tit for tat game.

That's ignoring the point, about what she actually DID. Iraq ? Has absolutely zero to do w/ this case, what so ever.

Ask the Kurds about " imaginary " WMD.

This mythology that Bush acted on lies and bad intel... beyond hysterical. ( And not the ha-ha variety )


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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