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Massive Revenue Loss Follows California Tax Hike Vote

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Monday, December 10, 2012 1:24 AM

AURAPTOR

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During the recent election, Gov. Jerry Brown and supporters of Prop. 30 assured voters that there was no chance whatsoever that raising taxes again would drive away any of the state’s businesses or millionaires.

Brown even commissioned a study from the Stanford Center on Poverty and Inequality that found millionaires would rather stay put than let a little thing like government thievery drive them away.

The media backed that up with stories assuring readers that California could choke the rich, no problem.

State Controller John Chiang announced Friday afternoon (the traditional time for not getting stories covered) that the state’s revenue for November came in $806.8 million under projections. That’s more than 10% under budget for the month.

Whoops.


Although Chiang’s office did not comment on the whole “rich flight” issue, the breakdown of the trouble is an $842.5 million plunge in personal income taxes, $187.8 million decrease in corporate taxes, offset by an increase of $99 million in sales taxes. The sales tax rise probably has a lot to do with increasing consumer costs in the not-so-Golden State, although it wouldn’t be surprising if some of it was from happy liberals going on a binge after the election.

http://godfatherpolitics.com/8461/massive-revenue-loss-follows-califor
nia-tax-hike-vote/#ixzz2EctgvntP



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Monday, December 10, 2012 4:24 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

How recent was the recent election? Surely not the same one that elected our president?

--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
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Monday, December 10, 2012 5:14 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

During the recent election, Gov. Jerry Brown and supporters of Prop. 30 assured voters that there was no chance whatsoever that raising taxes again would drive away any of the state’s businesses or millionaires.




Yes, the Nov 6,2012 election.

Point being made here is that, CA is losing revenue, and adding MORE taxes onto the rich will have the opposite effect as was intended. That being because, if the rich are soaked even more, then they'll just take it all in stride, and not move themselves or their businesses away.

Which is already happening, even before Prop 30 was passed.

Are you seriously surprised ? Or is that sarcasm ?



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, December 10, 2012 5:18 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Calif. is only $180 billion in debt. The beauty of that is that U.S. states cannot go bankrupt. Nothing will ever change there in terms of "unfunded" this or that programs. As long as Sacramento has a check printer they will go on and on in perpetuity doing what they do.








"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic."

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Monday, December 10, 2012 5:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, that election. The one we had one month and four days ago...wow, they sure ran out of state fast, didn't they??? I guess it's time to panic...

Let's try some reality on for size:
Quote:

"November's disappointing revenues stand in stark contrast to recent news that California is leading the nation in job growth, has significantly improved its cash liquidity to pay bills, and even long-distressed home values are starting to inch upward," Mr. Chiang said in a statement. "This serves as a sobering reminder that, while the economy is expanding, it is doing so at a slow and uneven pace that will require the state to exercise care and discipline in how its fiscal affairs are managed in the coming year."

Mr. Chiang and other officials blamed part of the shortfall on Facebook, the California-based social media giant that has failed to live up to some market expectations since the company went public in October.More at Mr. Chiang and other officials blamed part of the shortfall on Facebook, the California-based social media giant that has failed to live up to some market expectations since the company went public in October.Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/dec/8/califor
nia-state-revenue-misses-projection-almost-/#ixzz2Ef6IkLrO
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and from Sacramento:
Quote:

California missed its November revenue target by $806.8 million, or 10.8 percent, after a bad projection about tax proceeds from Facebook insiders and an unexpectedly high amount of corporate refunds, the state controller's office said Friday.

State budget writers assumed that Facebook insiders would sell a large batch of stock in November at $35 per share, providing a tax windfall for the state. But those insiders executed their transactions a month early, officials say, resulting in more money than expected in October but less in November.

Not only that, but until late November, Facebook shares were trading below $25.

Those factors contributed to California missing its November personal income tax target by $842.5 million, or 19 percent. The state also paid out an unexpectedly large number of business tax refunds, contributing to a $187.8 million loss in corporate tax revenue for the month.amore at http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/08/5039851/the-buzz-california-misses-it
s.html
]
If you recall, Prop 30 was ABSOLUTELY not going to pass, according to all the polls before November 6...it was a shock that it DID pass. So all that "business" had to move out of state FAST, like November 6 itself, for the November figures to drop that much. Riiiiight...

On the other hand, if you go to Google, you'll find hit after hit--all by conservatives--screaming the same thing Rap put up. I guess reality has no meaning to them, or to him. Our revenue has been missing projections for several months now, and it has nothing to do with richie-riches or corporations moving out of state. Don't worry about us, guys, we'll work it out in time.

The Facebook thing has been big here...ever since its IPO, it's been amazing to see how it HASN'T performed and how the stock didn't take off. It's been rallying recently, and looks to do better, but from its original price of $38 a share, it dipped the day its IPO came out, and STILL has only returned to $27. The IPO was screwed up, so much so that Morgan Stanley is REIMBURSING some of its investors. ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2148839/Facebook-IPO-Morgan-St
anley-reimburse-investors-ripped-trades.html
) Dunno if that's been very big in national news, but it's been all over the statewide news.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Monday, December 10, 2012 5:33 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

During the recent election, Gov. Jerry Brown and supporters of Prop. 30 assured voters that there was no chance whatsoever that raising taxes again would drive away any of the state’s businesses or millionaires.




Yes, the Nov 6,2012 election.

Point being made here is that, CA is losing revenue, and adding MORE taxes onto the rich will have the opposite effect as was intended. That being because, if the rich are soaked even more, then they'll just take it all in stride, and not move themselves or their businesses away.

Which is already happening, even before Prop 30 was passed.

Are you seriously surprised ? Or is that sarcasm ?



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Hello,

I am confused.

Are you implying that the effect of tax laws one month ago have created a revenue shortfall, or are you implying that the tax laws of one month ago reached back through the time continuum to create revenue shortfalls?

Both instances seem implausible.

--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Monday, December 10, 2012 5:36 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Meanwhile, Florida is $144 billion in debt, with roughly the same debt-to-GDP ratio.

Texas is $240 billion in debt, with nearly the same debt/GDP ratio as well.

If all those millionaires are fleeing Cali, they sure don't seem to be heading to such libertarian paradises as Florida or Texas...

Alaska and Colorado have much higher debt-to-GDP ratios, so they aren't doing great, either.

Arkansas is doing quite well. But would anyone choose to live there?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

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Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, December 10, 2012 5:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thank you, Anthony darlin', that was my point...but it won't even get THROUGH Rap's thick skull, so I won't bother further.

Can't really blame the poor baby, like I said, the first page of Google is just slathered with conservative websites (including Breitbart, of course) screaming the same idiocy. He was bound to buy it hook, line and sinker. S'what happens when you don't think for yourself and only read/hear/watch right-wing sites.

ETA: Companies are ALWAYS moving out of CA to cheaper states. But in January of this year, please note:
Quote:

Politics and passions aside, one thing seems clear from the math: California as a life destination is slowing climbing back in favor.

The latest evidence comes from major van lines. Each January, three industry leaders are simultaneously generous enough to share relatively detailed stats of what states drew what inbound and outbound moves of households in a year.

Moving van activity is seen by some experts as a good indication of migration for executive-level employees. These pricier relocations are often paid for by the moving workers' employer.

My trusty spreadsheet tells me that these three van lines combined – Allied, United and Atlas -- moved more folks to California than out of the state for the second consecutive year. It's also the third increase out of the last four.

Plus, the 30,669 households that moved to California last year by these three companies was a 5.9 percent jump over the previous year -- and resulted in the highest number of new neighbors via major van line since 2008.

The most stunning California turn was seen by Allied Van Lines. Its 44th annual "Magnet States Report" says that its own business patterns placed California is back as on the "inbound list" — states with more folks moving in than out.More at http://www.ocregister.com/articles/california-335361-percent-year.html


Like I said, don't worry about us, we'll be fine.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Monday, December 10, 2012 7:10 PM

AURAPTOR

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Just keep whistling past the grave yard, niki. As CA continues to sink.



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Monday, December 10, 2012 7:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, did the tax hike reach back in time so that effect came before cause? Because you sure seem to think so.



ENJOY YOUR NEXT FOUR YEARS!

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