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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Anthony - You're a liar. You draw false conclusions and completely IGNORE context. But we all know that.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
" woman testifying about birth control is a slut " '

False conclusion based on things I never said.

It was a joke.

She never "testified " in front of Congress.

Her 'sluttiness' wasn't conditional on her testifying ( or even propagandizing ) about birth control. Here, YOU missed the context, and continue to do so.

You are a liar , and spread false words.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'm simply stating that you're a liar, Anthony. You want to train wreck this thread, for what ever reason, fine. Just be honest about your motives, and say so. I'll not waste any more time here , going over old b.s., as I've already shown you to be what you are. Many times. It's an old, pointless battle, which we can carry on in PM, if you wish, but I do tire of your bullshit.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Incredible at how much berth you give to certain folks , when it comes to " context " , yet are eager as hell to jump to your own conclusions, when it comes to folks you already don't agree with or like.

Ha-ha... no, it's just you being YOU.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
If you HONESTLY want engage in discussion of this matter, and say something to the effect that " ... yes, that does sound bad, but maybe in its full context, what he appears to be saying isn't his full meaning " , THEN you'd have a point. But with regards to the comment, " there will be blood ", your reply is " there's nothing to dispute " ... you're just being obtuse for the sake of arguing, and nothing more.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Not to interrupt a party, but this thread strengthens my suspicion that Rappy is the invention of a left-winger. He does nothing but make himself and his stereotype look bad, in such an extreme way that I can't be convinced that he's real. Which makes it, sadly, a little less satisfying how easily Anthony knocks him down.

However, carry on. No matter the reality, I will always admire Anthony's classiness.

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Not to interrupt a party, but this thread strengthens my suspicion that Rappy is the invention of a left-winger. He does nothing but make himself and his stereotype look bad, in such an extreme way that I can't be convinced that he's real. Which makes it, sadly, a little less satisfying how easily Anthony knocks him down.

However, carry on. No matter the reality, I will always admire Anthony's classiness.

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He doesn't knock me down, and I'm as real as it gets. ( And Anthony, Geiss speaks of there being blood, and THEN references The Battle of the Overpass - ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Overpass ) where UAW organizers were in front of a FORD plant, and got jumped by FORD security officers. The irony,of course, is that it was the union thugs at the protest on the video which instigated the violence, tore down a tent, and uttered all manner of threats and vulgarities.



Your judgement is what's sad here. Real fine how you admire a liar. Speaks bunches of you.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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you favor their side over the rights of the workers. The right to CHOOSE on whether they want to join a union vs being told they MUST join.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Jong, it may very well be a threat to how they have lived, but the perception of what this bill actual does, does not come close to the lies that the union goons have been told / are screaming about to the rest of the public.

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And is the brute who threw the punches going to be arrested and prosecuted for assault?

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Originally posted by Niki2:


"Right to work" is bullshit. It's propagandaspeak for "Right to work FOR LESS" and nothing more, and the reason it's being implemented is to destroy any opposition from funding the other side of what the right-wing superpacs fund.

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Wow, Niki. You parroted Obama's propaganda very well, word for word. You're hysterical, and not in the ha-ha way. The decades old tactics of intimidation and thuggery by the unions THANKFULLY is coming to an end. If EMPLOYEES ( not "workers" ) want to FREELY join a union, they can make that choice themselves. It's not " bullshit ", it's called FREEDOM.

But then, I guess you're really not down w/ that very much are you ?



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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He doesn't knock me down,

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He doesn't knock me down,

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He does over and over. If this was a boxing match the ref would be explaining to you what happened as you woke up.

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The ref would have tossed in the towel, long ago, and Anthony would have been carried out on a stretcher.

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

I'm glad you agree. Were I making this video, I would be sure to show the moments preceding and following each altercation.

This video is like a theoretical version of the movie Zero Dark Thirty, but instead of showing the events leading up to the raid on the Bin Laden compound, you just show a bunch of soldiers assassinating an old man in his house, and then roll credits.

Context matters.

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

I'm glad you agree. Were I making this video, I would be sure to show the moments preceding and following each altercation.

This video is like a theoretical version of the movie Zero Dark Thirty, but instead of showing the events leading up to the raid on the Bin Laden compound, you just show a bunch of soldiers assassinating an old man in his house, and then roll credits.

Context matters.

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So Osama bin Laden was in the tent? And the Fox reporter was protecting him?

Come on, Anthony, quit being so disingenuous.

Sort'a looks like you've joined the "Don't like the message, attack the messenger" cadre. Too bad.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The point is that showing a series of altercations is not particularly informative. Just like showing an old man getting assassinated would not give you a valid picture of events.

It's what happened in the moments surrounding the altercations that lend context and texture to the event, and allow an understanding.

Rather mystifying why anyone wouldn't want to see that context.

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Originally posted by Geezer:

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The point is that showing a series of altercations is not particularly
informative. Just like showing an old man getting assassinated would not
give you a valid picture of events.

It's what happened in the moments surrounding the altercations that lend
context and texture to the event, and allow an understanding.


Rather mystifying why anyone wouldn't want to see that context.

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Well, if you saw the video without knowing where it was, what was going on,
or who the participants were, you might be puzzled by the events. However,
if you follow the news at all, you know that.

So, based on the who, what, when, where, context from the news, can you
provide a good reason that union workers would tear down a tent that, per
police, had people in it, including people in wheelchairs, and also
contained propane heater and tanks. Think that might be a bit dangerous?


"We had been contacted by that group that they had three or four people
that were actually trapped underneath the tent," said Lt. Mike Shaw. "Two
of them were in wheelchairs and there was also a propane tank in there. So
we had to send troopers out, and naturally, the crowd was not too
receptive."

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/12/michigan_right_to_work
_tension.html#incart_maj-story-2]


Hello,

According to the news source you quote, the vast preponderance of
protesters were well-behaved. "more than fine" in their behavior.

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State police did not arrest anyone during the incident, and Shaw said that
most protesters have acted respectfully and peacefully today.

"We have not made any arrests at all," he said. "The crowd has been more
than fine. They've been obeying with the fire marshall says (in terms of
building capacity). People have been coming in and out of the Capitol
exercising their constitutional rights. We've been perfectly fine with
them -- just that one small incident."

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So, yes, I am interested in the context surrounding an act of sabotage and
the other altercations.

If the context you want me to use is the news report you cited, I'd have to
conclude that in a very large group of well-behaved protesters, a few were
bizarrely violent for no discernable reason other than pure meanness.


But the video, being an eyewitness to events, should provide the best
context. Unfortunately, it only conveys the briefest of glimpses.

--Anthony







Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Hello,

I'm glad you agree. Were I making this video, I would be sure to show the moments preceding and following each altercation.

This video is like a theoretical version of the movie Zero Dark Thirty, but instead of showing the events leading up to the raid on the Bin Laden compound, you just show a bunch of soldiers assassinating an old man in his house, and then roll credits.

Context matters.

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So Osama bin Laden was in the tent? And the Fox reporter was protecting him?

Come on, Anthony, quit being so disingenuous.

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The ref would have tossed in the towel, long ago, and Anthony would have been carried out on a stretcher.

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Yup, you're definatly punch drunk.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
But the video, being an eyewitness to events, should provide the best context. Unfortunately, it only conveys the briefest of glimpses.

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Okay. So given what you know about the general situation, is there any context in which tearing that tent down actually was appropriate? If not, your complaints about lack of context are pretty much moot.

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