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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A lot of irrational things are being said.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I certainly should have spoken up that characterizing Anthony that way was gross and disgusting, I wouldn't say that about anyone. I got involved in the generalization about men, guns, "manly" etc., which I think for some people is valid. It doesn't apply to Anthony at all, and I should have taken a second to point out how abhorrent the comment was, because it was unquestionably repugnant--doubly so when tossed at Anthony. I got caught up in trying to explain myself and neglected to address that part, which I do now and I think it's revolting.

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it's about rejecting the stereotype wholesale for a saner society.

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Men buying fancy sports cars to "compensate" for their "endowments" is a stereotype.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
M4P: I don't know how to say this politely... What you're saying sounds WRONG to me. Worth by the size of a BRA? By the size of dick, johnson, whatever abrupt and crude term you want to use to shock and startle us into, what, agreeing with you when you're acting like this?

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You aren't afraid of the size of our sex traits. You're afraid of death. In your fear of death you are projecting questionable issues on all of us and lashing out at poor Anthony.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I don't have a side. As usual?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

First of all, it has been made about me. This stereotype isn't "Out there." It's in the minds of people like Mal. She is utterly incapable of dealing with me or any gun owner except through the lens of that stereotype.

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Hello,

First of all, it has been made about me. This stereotype isn't "Out there." It's in the minds of people like Mal. She is utterly incapable of dealing with me or any gun owner except through the lens of that stereotype.

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MAL... I'm a gun owner, would you deal with me the same way you would deal with Tony?

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I don't have a side. As usual?

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Do you mean this seriously? Cause...

da-amn.

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No, I view you mostly as a cool guy, but when this topic comes around I see you saying that you can only be secure if you have a gun as big as the other guy.

So?

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
If so, I'd say you were stroking your gun phallus.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Mutual disarmament is the only solution that actually addresses the problem.

How hard is that to understand?

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Do you feel that the only way to achieve peace is through having a big gun?

Do you feel that your right to have as big and scary a gun as makes you happy trumps everyone else's right to live in a safe society?

Do you feel that you are completely, 100% safe as long as the metal in your hands is the most high-powered deadly thing available and you've got access to as much of it as you need to take all those evil MF's out?

If so, I'd say you were stroking your gun phallus.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
You are afraid of guns As MUCH as Anthony is afraid of police. The only difference is that Anthony hasn't claimed that you're masturbating yourself with your fear

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Do you feel that your right to have as big and scary a gun as makes you happy trumps everyone else's right to live in a safe society?

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Do you feel that you are completely, 100% safe as long as the metal in your hands is the most high-powered deadly thing available and you've got access to as much of it as you need to take all those evil MF's out?

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Even insane mass shooters are exclusively men.

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Frem and Wulf came by their PTSD honestly;

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And I wonder if, when someone has something bad happen to them repeatedly, and to the people around them repeatedly, it can grow beyond someone's individual trauma and be considered an observation about the world?

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I worry that people continuously dismiss Frem's 'problem' as being the product of his special pain, rather than acknowledging that he lives in a world where these sorts of things have happened with an appalling sense of the routine... and that HIS world is part of OUR world, not some construct of his imagination and not some inconvenient psychological tick.

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At the start of the 12th century, some women in the Low Countries lived alone and devoted themselves to prayer and good works without taking vows. At first there were only a few of them, but in the course of the century, their numbers increased. This was the age of the Crusades, and the land teemed with widowed women—the raw material for a host of neophytes. These single women tended to live on the fringe of towns, where they attended to the poor. About the beginning of the 13th century, some of them grouped their cabins together to form a community, called Beguinage.

The Beguine were not nuns; they did not take vows, could return to the world and wed if they chose, and did not renounce their property. If one was without means, she neither asked nor accepted alms, but supported herself by manual labour, or by teaching the children of burghers. During the time of her novitiate, she lived with "the Grand Mistress" of her cloister, but afterward she had her own dwelling. If she could afford it, she was attended by her own servants. She was bound to her companions by having the same goals in life, kindred pursuits, and a community of worship.

They had no mother-house, nor common rule, nor common general of the order; every community was complete in itself and fixed its own order of living

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I grew up in the house of PTSD, not only from my dad but also my husband. They both lived through indescribable horrors - my dad especially- that would prolly top anything you have to offer on the topic. And I can't tell you the number of times I've been told that the reason for all the craziness is because of "them". It can sound pretty convincing. Heck, parts of it are even true.

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We humans filter what we are trained to see

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So it seems you grew up in a world of people you considered to have a damaged perception of reality. People whose reasoning and vision of the world you found untrustworthy.

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Yes, this is probably true of all of us. At times, I feel that anyone whose perception of the world differs from your own is dismissed. Everyone who thinks differently is sick or fooled or damaged or deranged. It might be true sometimes, but I don't think it's true as often as you think it is. If we filter the worlds we look upon, I wonder what filter you apply.

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But woman have a strength that men don't have

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and that is the natural act of cooperation.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Therez a well established cauzation and correlation between testosterone and violent behavior.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
BYTEMITE=the voice of reason on this thread IMO.

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Originally posted by BYMITE:
Two plus two is five for very high values of two.

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I have a different theory, as might be expected, but, that's fine, this is something we've disagreed about before. Men as a generally violent gender is just an interpretation/explanation that I can't really accept - for one thing there's not nearly the amount of sexual dimorphism in our species as there is in others - so I tend to look for something else going on.

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This chef may engage in Through His Stomach, but as a general expression of affection, or even a generalized benevolence, not a particular sign of deep passion. Your Favorite is similarly not a profound gesture when made by this chef.

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I have a different theory, as might be expected, but, that's fine, this is something we've disagreed about before. Men as a generally violent gender is just an interpretation/explanation that I can't really accept - for one thing there's not nearly the amount of sexual dimorphism in our species as there is in others - so I tend to look for something else going on.

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Oh, I know for a fact that humans aren't harem species, and that men aren't like stags or elephant seals. I tend to think of humans as something like birds... baby birds as demanding as they are, both parents need to feed the chicks. So their males, and our males, share similar traits.

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But male birds are still more expendable than females. It's the males who display while the females stay hidden. It's the males who defend territory. So there are some gender differences.... not huge, but there.

Also, in competitive individualistic cultures males DO have an advantage. I think that's why men tend to react with individual violence to perceived danger pretty much adding to the total level of violence, while women try to reduce violence overall. Again, something of a generalization.

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Speakin of which, apparently no one makes cakes or mixes that are both sugar free AND gluten free, looks like it's mostly one or the other, so a current pet project is PROJECT: SAFECAKE.
Having discard the idea of muffins (not cake-like enough) and regular cake (no logical way to get the frosting to come out well) this is gonna be an attempt to create a traditional style Pound Cake while remaining in the bounds of some very serious dietary restrictions and without resulting to chemical enhancement or dangerous food-like products (I've elected to go with Stevia instead of a chemical sugar replacement).

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Anthony stands naked with his gun in the mirror "stroking" it is fucking sick. It's completely grotesque. And, seriously, that "stereotype" is bullshit. How many men does anyone here imagine literally do this with the mirror?

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Lol at Brenda.

Either a troll, a 12 year old, or someone so stupid as to actually believe what it just wrote.

Either way... sweetie... shut the fuck up. Let the adults talk.

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