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Why Americans are dying earlier than their international peers
Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:03 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Despite spending more per person on health care than any other country, Americans are getting sicker and dying younger than our international peers -- a problem persisting across all ages and both genders, according to a new report. In 2011, the National Research Council found life expectancy in the United States was increasing at a slower rate than in other high-income democracies. Shortly after, the NRC and Institute Of Medicine convened a panel of experts to investigate why. The panel was given 18 months to review recent health studies from 16 "peer countries": Australia, Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom. The panel released its report, titled "U.S. Health in International Perspective: Shorter Lives, Poorer Health," on Wednesday. "Our panel was unprepared for the gravity of the finding we uncovered," chair Steven Woolf wrote in the report's preface. "We hope that others will take notice." This is not a new problem, Woolf noted on a conference call about the report. "It's been going on since 1980 and it's getting progressively worse." Data from 2007 show Americans' life expectancy is 3.7 years shorter for men and 5.2 years shorter for women than in the leading nations -- Switzerland for men and Japan for women. As of 2011, 27 countries had higher life expectancies at birth than the United States. "The tragedy is not that the United States is losing a contest with other countries," the report states, "but that Americans are dying and suffering from illness and injury at rates that are demonstrably unnecessary." The report outlines nine health areas where the United States lags behind other rich nations, including infant mortality, homicides, teen pregnancy, drug-related deaths, obesity and disabilities. Americans have the highest prevalence of AIDS in the group. Seniors are at a greater risk of developing and dying from heart disease. And our children are less likely than children in peer countries to reach their fifth birthday. It's easy to point a finger at our health care system, which unlike comparison countries' does not provide universal coverage. As a result, lower income and less educated people often receive poorer care. "The U.S. health system is highly fragmented, with limited public health and primary care resources and a large uninsured population," the authors wrote. "Compared with people in other countries, Americans are more likely to find care inaccessible or unaffordable." But the panel says that's not all that's to blame. Studies show even white, insured, college-educated Americans are sicker than their peers in Europe. The experts gave three other possible causes for the country's growing health disadvantage: Though Americans know what's "good" for them, few act on it. Although we are less likely to smoke and drink heavily than our peers, we consume more calories, have higher rates of drug abuse, are less likely to use seat belts and are more likely to use guns in acts of violence, according to the report. Most high-income countries report income and education disparities in their health care system. But the panel said Americans benefit much less from social programs that could negate the effects of poverty. "In countries with the most favorable health outcomes, resource investments and infrastructure often reflect a strong societal commitment to the health and welfare of the entire population," the report states. Our environment is also a big contributor to Americans' poor health, the panel said. U.S. communities are built around automobiles, discouraging physical activity and increasing traffic accidents. Contraceptives are only available by prescription, instead of over the counter. Even stress could play a role -- adding to our waistlines, substance abuse and criminal behavior. More, and recommendations, at http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/09/health/international-health-report/index.html?hpt=hp_bn12
Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:32 AM
PEACEKEEPER
Keeping order in every verse
Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:35 AM
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FREMDFIRMA
Saturday, January 12, 2013 3:01 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by peacekeeper: I think it's more likely that you're too busy shooting each other??? With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.
Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:03 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:57 AM
Quote:A study in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery found that the gun murder rate in the U.S. is almost 20 times higher than the next 22 richest and most populous nations combined. Among the world’s 23 wealthiest countries, 80 percent of all gun deaths are American deaths and 87 percent of all kids killed by guns are American kids. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/07/gun-deaths-a-familiar-american-experience/
Monday, January 14, 2013 8:51 AM
Quote:Dr. Matthew Sleeth is a former emergency room physician. He's also the author of "24/6: A Prescription for a Healthier, Happier Life." CNN: You begin your book by writing about a store owner who vowed to close his store on Sundays, so his employees and their families, as well as his customers, could take the day off. But it didn't stay that way for long. What happened? Sleeth: For almost 2,000 years, Western culture stopped -- primarily on Sunday -- for about 24 hours. Even when I was a child, you couldn't buy gasoline, you couldn't buy milk. The drugstores weren't open. The only thing that was open was a hospital. Even in dairy farming country, we would milk cows, but we wouldn't bring in hay. And so society just had a day where they put it in park. (That) was Sunday... until the last 30 years or so. CNN: Why do you think taking one day off a week is so important? Sleeth: We go 24/7 now, and I think it's having health consequences. I think more and more, there's a consensus that it leads to depression and anxiety. It's interesting, when a doctor sits down and does a primary intake with a new patient, they ask about smoking, exercise and diet, but they don't ask how much you're working. They don't get any sense of if you're working seven days a week, or if you have time set aside -- like people have always had -- for rest. CNN: You write about incorporating a "stop day" into your weekly schedule. How do you think that can extend and enrich your life? Sleeth: A "stop day" is a day you really cease from your labors. This really comes in Western cultures from the Ten Commandments. The fourth commandment tells us to remember the Sabbath. The word "Sabbath" simply means "to cease" -- to cease from your labors. CNN: You go as far as to say that going full-throttle 24/7 is an illness. How do you recognize the signs? Sleeth: I find that there's a growing epidemic, really, of depression. We're the most depressed country in the world. The World Health Organization says somewhere between one in nine and one in 10 Americans are being treated for depression. We tend to work more hours than any other country in the world; Japan is second closest. When we're constantly going, we pour out chemicals to try to meet those stresses. We have short-term stress hormones like adrenaline, and longer-term hormones like the steroids that we pour out. Those chemicals constantly being "on" are bad for us, and they lead to anxiety and depression and to, I think, diabetes and being obese. It's interesting that if I took somebody in the emergency department and gave them a big slug of adrenaline, you'll find that an hour later they're just wiped out, and that'll really persist throughout the day. I think that's what we're doing to ourselves. We're constantly bringing stress into our life, and the idea of having one day a week that I can count on to stop is very reassuring. Even if on Monday I'm very, very busy -- and that proceeds throughout the week -- if you know you have a habit of a weekly day of rest, of stopping, then you always know that's out in front of you. A lot of people "go" and never know when it is that they're going to come to rest. More at
Quote:A recent measurement found that a Japanese worker has approximately two hours overtime a day on average (generally unpaid). The problem with unpaid overtime in companies is that the overtime is simply not recorded in many cases. Labor regulations limit the amount of overtime, so in order not to contradict labor regulations, workers are being told not to record the overtime, as it would be considered an illegal action from the side of the company. In general, overtime is something that is accepted as part of work, and protest against it is rare, as the reaction of colleagues, superiors and even family and friends is feared. It is not uncommon for many Japanese employees to work late hours until 2-3 am in the morning, and being expected to be in the office again at 9am. In some cases (especially in subsidiaries of big listed companies that have to cope with the pressure of parent companies, who generate margins through exploitation of daughter companies) employees have been reported to have worked 300 hours of overtime in one single month. These statistics are in almost all cases not official, and most employees would always refrain from making such statements to authorities or the press, nor would they agree to be named. In 2008, karoshi made headlines: a death back in 2006 of a key Toyota engineer who averaged over 80 hours overtime each month was ruled as a result of overwork.Wiki, Karoshi
Quote:The number of people who committed suicide indicating "failure to get jobs" rose to 424, up 20 percent from the year before and more than doubling from 180 in 2007. About one-third were in their 20s, including new graduates seeking jobs. Hardly a week passes without news of an executive jumping in front of a train or hanging himself in a hotel room. The corporate warrior ethos still pervades the Japanese workplace--and warriors don't show their pain. Ageism is a factor, too. It is very hard to relaunch a career after 45 or so. And finally there is a cultural reluctance in Japan--and in the rest of Asia, for that matter--to seek help for depression and other forms of mental illness. Japanese, says Kitagawa, the Life Phone counselor, "tend to have a prejudice against mental-health problems, especially men." As in most countries, it is men who are the most likely to kill themselves. Most suicides involve midlevel executives or Japan's new jobless. More at http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2002-06-02/business-suicides-japans-death-trap
Monday, January 14, 2013 10:42 AM
Monday, January 14, 2013 11:28 AM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Origins of the 8-hour day In the 1800s, most Victorians worked up to 14 hours a day, six days a week. There was no sick leave, no holiday leave, and employers could sack employees at any time, without giving a reason. In the 1850s, Victoria was flooded with migrants, all hoping to strike it rich on the goldfields. Many of these were British tradesmen, such as James Stephens, who had been involved with the workers' movement in England. They brought with them a determination to achieve fairer working conditions, including reduced working hours. There were three main arguments for a reduced working day in Victoria. The first was that Australia's harsh climate necessitated shorter working hours: ...the period of labor under the relaxing influence of an Australian climate, cannot extend to the length of daily toil ruling in the mother country [Britain], without sacrificing health, and shortening the duration of human life. – Victorian Operative Masons' Society report 11 June, 1884 Source The second was that working men needed time to develop their minds through education: The self-cultivation...of the ‘adult man'...can only be the work of time. It would be a great advantage then to give the worker time to read and study, and to progress in knowledge and virtue. – Victorian Operative Masons' Society report 11 June, 1884 Source The third was that tradesmen could become better husbands, fathers and citizens if they were granted leisure time: The man whose mind is unclogged by the action and influence of severe bodily work, when in health will have his natural flow of animal spirits and kindred sympathies, inclining him to self respect, and respect for other, for law, order, and forms so essential to freedom, domestic virtues and good citizenship. – Victorian Operative Masons' Society report 11 June, 1884 Source With this in mind, the Builders' Union began its fight for shorter working hours. In 1856, the stonemasons won the right to a 48-hour working week, which entitled them to Saturday afternoons off. While this doesn't sound like much today, it made a big difference to working class families in the 1850s. It was a pivotal point in Victoria's political history and paved the way for other industries to fight for the same rights in the workplace.
Monday, January 14, 2013 5:16 PM
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: I thought you'd be pissier about Niki's things being closed on Sun article. You've always been rather vehiment about your dislike of the practice.
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:36 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:41 AM
BYTEMITE
Quote:I firmly stand in the school of not working too hard. Can't stand that over obsessive work ethic that seems prevalent these days.
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:19 PM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA: Well, one cannot discount the crap which corporate america allows to be produced as "food" too - a considerable amount of stuff, like HFCS, or some of our neurotoxic sweeteners, would be rejected overseas. I about hit the freakin ROOF when they started adding HFCS to friggin bread, you know there's brands which now ADVERTISE the fact that they DON'T add HFCS to theirs ? And thanks be for that, or I'd have to make my own! Cause, well... Bologna and Cheese on lightly toasted bread, that NEVER gets old. (of course, TRY finding Bologna, OR Cheese these days without HFCS, it's getting hard as hell!) -Frem
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Quote:I know you have hobbies Byte, writing Firefly stories for one.
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Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: That's a lot of generalizations, Peacekeeper. I have never felt like I am better than others or been disappointed when I fall short of expectations, and my parents gave up on me when I was about five, shortly after my depression developed. I don't blame them. It is the reality of the world, some people are exceptional and I am on the deep end of the shit bucket, why waste time on that? And I don't go to therapists because they're all evil bastards who manipulate you and medicate you into a coma and cause all sorts of side problems that degrade quality of life, then they have the gall to call that "progress". Anyway, no. If anything Americans aren't too competitive, rather they're too coddled, told they're great at stuff when they're really terrible. I'm not blind, I see how it is, us isolated and content in our little cages from the hardships of the world, smug in our feelings of superiority. And as for standing on my own two feet, I will always have to stand alone. No hugs. No one to hold my hand through the hard times, as though that makes any difference what-so-ever, the hard times still happen and the rest of you with all your laughable affections and friendships are powerless to stop it.
Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:50 AM
Quote:Well.perhaps being told that you're great at something, and then realising in later life that you're not, is a cause for resentment in itself? best to be honest from the start, in my view.
Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:54 AM
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Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:59 AM
AGENTROUKA
Quote:Originally posted by peacekeeper: It seems evident that most of you seem to have a bloody therapist to help you with the most basic functions of life. Every time you have a minor hiccup, you seem to dive into the therapist's chair,rather than learn to cope with these things on your own.
Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:34 AM
Quote: I take note of the fact that a lot of Americans are being diagnosed with depression. This is a serious point I'd like to address. Do you think this has something to do with your culture of aspiration?
Quote: It seems evident that most of you seem to have a bloody therapist to help you with the most basic functions of life.
Quote: The results of the annual "Stress in America" survey by the American Psychological Association, released last week, found that while 85 percent of Americans say their stress level has remained the same or increased in the past year, just 4 percent of people use therapy as a way to combat that stress. More at http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091109/Survey-finds-fewer-Americans-use-therapy-to-manage-stress.aspx
Quote: You are a very emotional nation, which again, isnt necessarily a negative thing, but maybe The Briitsh.... in a better position to cope with adversity.
Quote: are the upper lips of British people today as stiff as they once were? According to our poll, no. Asked if British people these days still have a stiff upper lip in terms of being restrained in displaying their emotions, a majority (57%) of Britons say no, they do not, while only 33% say British people do have a stiff upper lip. Meanwhile, 62% of the public also believes that British people have become more emotional in recent decades. Only 14% say British people have become less emotional, and 18% believe they are about the same. More at http://yougov.co.uk/news/2012/10/04/do-brits-still-have-stiff-upper-lips/
Quote: seem to have somewhat of a "victim culture" on occasion
Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:06 AM
Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:24 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Thursday, January 17, 2013 8:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AgentRouka: Quote:Originally posted by peacekeeper: It seems evident that most of you seem to have a bloody therapist to help you with the most basic functions of life. Every time you have a minor hiccup, you seem to dive into the therapist's chair,rather than learn to cope with these things on your own. Uh, I take issue with that. Therapy is a way of learning exactly that: learning to cope with your problems. Plenty of people try and "cope" through drug use, drinking or they are simply in denial until they drag themselves into a truly acute crisis or they make the same mistakes all over again. Presenting trying to get professional help to illuminate and break harmful cycles as some kind of lazy cop-out or simple lack of will power is incredibly condescending and offensive.
Thursday, January 17, 2013 8:34 AM
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Thursday, January 17, 2013 10:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by peacekeeper: I take note of the fact that a lot of Americans are being diagnosed with depression.This is a serious point I'd like to address.Do you think this has something to do with your culture of aspiration? It seems to me that your kids are pushed constantly into "realising your potential" and "living the American dream" etc etc. Now, although this is, in itself, not a bad thing, and it's healthy to try and better yourself, I feel that perhaps you can put TOO MUCH pressure on your kids. Unfortunately, in a culture where competition is highly prized, there is going to be abject disappointment for so many, and only the very best are ever going to succeed. It seems evident that most of you seem to have a bloody therapist to help you with the most basic functions of life. Every time you have a minor hiccup, you seem to dive into the therapist's chair,rather than learn to cope with these things on your own.Now, to me, being able to stand on your own two feet and accept your lot and get on with it, is a far greater measure of success than getting one up on the next man? You are a very emotional nation, which again, isnt necessarily a negative thing, but maybe The Briitsh(as an obvious example), with our culture of "stiff upper lip" and "keeping things close to our chest", may put us in a better position to cope with adversity.You do, in all honesty, seem to have somewhat of a "victim culture" on occasion. Hey, maybe we are just too cold and unfeeling as a nation, and maybe that causes its own problems, but it's just an observation of comparisons that might explain why so many Americans dont seem to be able to cope. This failure to be able to realise your expected potentials may be a reason why so many of you turn to the gun for your releases of your frustrations? I'm happy to be proven wrong, guys??? With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.
Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:10 AM
Quote:I sometimes wonder whether people turn to counselling and therapy because of the lack of emotional support that they have in their lives in general.
Quote:A. Five (or more) of the following symptoms have been present during the same 2-week period and represent a change from previous functioning; at least one of the symptoms is either (1) depressed mood or (2) loss of interest or pleasure. Note: Do note include symptoms that are clearly due to a general medical condition, or mood-incongruent delusions or hallucinations. (1) depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day, as indicated by either subjective report (e.g., feels sad or empty) or observation made by others (e.g., appears tearful). Note: In children and adolescents, can be irritable mood. (2) markedly diminished interest or pleasure in all, or almost all, activities most of the day, nearly every day (as indicated by either subjective account or observation made by others) (3) significant weight loss when not dieting or weight gain (e.g., a change of more than 5% of body weight in a month), or decrease or increase in appetite nearly every day. Note: In children, consider failure to make expected weight gains. (4) insomnia or hypersomnia nearly every day (5) psychomotor agitation or retardation nearly every day (observable by others, not merely subjective feelings of restlessness or being slowed down) (6) fatigue or loss of energy nearly every day (7) feelings of worthlessness or excessive or inappropriate guilt (which may be delusional) nearly every day (not merely self-reproach or guilt about being sick) (8) diminished ability to think or concentrate, or indecisiveness, nearly every day (either by subjective account or as observed by others) (9) recurrent thoughts of death (not just fear of dying), recurrent suicidal ideation without a specific plan, or a suicide attempt or a specific plan for committing suicide B. The symptoms do not meet criteria for a Mixed Episode. C. The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. D. The symptoms are not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., hypothyroidism). E. The symptoms are not better accounted for by Bereavement, i.e., after the loss of a loved one, the symptoms persist for longer than 2 months or are characterized by marked functional impairment, morbid preoccupation with worthlessness, suicidal ideation, psychotic symptoms, or psychomotor retardation.
Quote:Single Episode A. Presence of a single Major Depressive Episode B. The Major Depressive Episode is not better accounted for by Schizoaffective Disorder and is not superimposed on Schizophrenia, Schizophreniform Disorder, Delusional Disorder, or Psychotic Disorder Not Otherwise Specified. C. There has never been a Manic Episode, a Mixed Episode, or a Hypomanic Episode. Note: This exclusion does not apply if all the manic-like, mixed-like, or hypomanic-like episodes are substance or treatment induced or are due to the direct physiological effects of a general medical condition. Recurrent A. Presence of two or more Major Depressive Episodes. Note: To be considered separate episodes, there must be an interval of at least 2 consecutive months in which criteria are not met for a Major Depressive Episode. B. The Major Depressive Episodes are not better accounted for by Schizoaffective Disorder and are not superimposed on Schizophrenia, Schizophreniform Disorder, Delusional Disorder, or Psychotic Disorder Not Otherwise Specified. C. There has never been a Manic Episode, a Mixed Episode, or a Hypomanic Episode. Note: This exclusion does not apply if all the manic-like, mixed-like, or hypomanic-like episodes are substance or treatment induced or are due to the direct physiological effects or a general medical condition. http://www.mental-health-today.com/dep/dsm.htm
Thursday, November 24, 2022 7:33 AM
JAYNEZTOWN
Thursday, November 24, 2022 7:34 AM
Quote: USA 62,661,000+ India 35,875,790 Brazil 22,558,695 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries 428,000 + Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus." https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/biden-covid-death-tracker/
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Quote:Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN: Fauci pleads with Americans to get COVID shot in final White House briefing
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