That silly, Liberal, Unconstitutional idea about banning guns.... by 6IXSTRINGJACK

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Can you point to me all of those "silly, unconstitutional liberal" lawmakers who have proposed legislation banning all firearms and going door to door confiscating them and searching homes for them?

Your government saying you can't have your own tactical nuclear warhead or line your apartment with Claymore shaped charges doesn't quite reach the threshold you've laid out where the government is kicking in your door to confiscate all your weapons.

It's a reach, even for you, Jack.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:43 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

Your lojik iz twisted into a pretzel here, 6string.

You are claiming the possibilty uv a rezident having a gun will prevent intruderz, yet tell us your apartment wuz entered repeatedly.

Then you correctly detail the possibility uv inoccent victimz frum uzing a gun to defend yourself.

Also, I am pretty sure its illegal here in the US to enter sumwunz apartment without permission or notice except for actual emergencies. You shoud have called the cops, especially when they broke the door open.

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Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yeah, Gwek, I love that one too.

I don't bother reading Six's rants. Half the time he's drunk, and almost all the time it's about him personally and boring. That's just me.

Agent, I did get far enough into it to believe he might have been talking about the apartment manager entering his apartment. If so, it's common and I THINK even legal of the manager has a valid reason (such as a fire in the apartment or a bathtub leaking into the floor beneath, etc.). If he made that clear further on I don't know.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:07 PM

AGENTROUKA

I thought that. Landlords here can enter apartments in case of emergencies, but only if the occupant is not home and does not respond to attempts to contact him. And it is absolutely illegal for them to possess keys to the place, so in case of emergency they would have to use an official locksmith to do so and utterly make every effort to inform the renter of what had taken place.

If something like what Six described happened here there would be a LOT of trouble. A Lot.

If this apartment manager repeatedly abused the, apparently, more lax regulations to enter his place without notice under a false pretense, surely there is something Six could have done to stop this illegal behavior? If not, then I stand by my point that lax legal protection of rented homes is the problem in that situation.

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Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:17 PM

CHRISISALL

If MY Landlord came in unannounced, he'd be facing this:

...and the 6mm PVC BB it can hurl at a whopping 200 feet per second!!!

Yeah, I'm dangerous.

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Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:38 PM

Ya'll are bothering to respond to this rambling, likely written-while-drunk bullshit?

Oh, kay.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:50 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Ya'll are bothering to respond to this rambling, likely written-while-drunk bullshit?

Oh, kay.

LOL, aren't YOU? C'mon, can't we have some fun on this topic, as well as seriousness?

Or must I challenge you to airsofts at dawn?

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Friday, January 18, 2013 8:09 AM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
If what this guy did was legal then the real problem there would be lax protection laws for rented apartments.

This sort of thing would be unthinkable around here (Germany) because it's simply illegal. Guns don't even figure into it.

ETA:
Quote:

Two fictional examples I can think about are the beginning of Inglorious Basterds and most of Schindler's List. (I know the latter was supposed to be true, but with all the Hollywood lies, who can tell what was real?)

Do you realize that the beginning of IB was set in occupied France during the war? And that SL involved an all-encompassing persecution of a minority - incidentally, in that specific case actually also in a war-occupied territory? Basically, civilians after all that violent war-like resistance had already happened and failed? How would private gun ownership by individuals in those situations have helped ANY against a then victorious military occupation force prone to disproportionately brutal reprisals to any resistance?

Hey AR.... I'm quite certain that it was illegal for them to do what they were doing, but any intrusions, whether I was home or not, were never "just because". 3 times it happened, and the most violoent of which (if you asked my poor front door) were due to "emergency" water leakages to the apartment below, of which they constantly found none. (I'm quite confident they weren't "all in on it" and that the maintenance guys just did what they were told to do and always left finding zero problems). The only other time was when a guy let himself in to paint the apartment as if I wasn't living there any more. Supposedly, after the fact, it was determined to be a mistaken room number. Had this type of thing never happened before, I would have let it slide, but let's just say the painter-to-be nearly crapped his pants when I was about to bust his head in with my baseball bat...

This wasn't a "guy" either... The new manager was a female. Admittedly, quite an attractive female with the deepest green eyes this side of Elven fantasy. I'm sure she was quite used to taking a lot of liberties she shouldn't have been able to up to and during her tenure as management of the complex. The previous manager, let's just call her P, was also female. We hit it off immediately and I was quite certain she had an affinity for my Dad who found the place for me. I never once in 3 years got charged more for my monthly rent under her watch, and was never "invaded". In only 2 years under the new management i was invaded 4 times to my knowledge, and I had to pay nearly 200 bucks more a month at the end for the privilege.

As for the movies, I'm fully aware of the curcumstances surrounding them and the scenes, and I thank you for pointing them out in case I was vague and didn't make my point.

My point was that I wasn't an oppressed Minority. (aside from being told that I was unallowed to smoke in my apartment I paid 800 bucks a month for when the new management came in, of course).

I DID have access to weapons. I DID have Constitutional rights.

Before the new management came in I never once had a "home invader" in over 3 years. Granted, if the robbers did their homework, I didn't have much worth stealing, but it just never happened. I felt safe that my personal space wouldn't be invaded, even when I left for my 3 and 4 day weekends out of state.

After the new management came in, even with my gun and my rights, "the place" was no longer a "safe" place for me. I felt that whether I was home or at work or out of town it was likely being violated whenever I was or was not there, by the very people I was paying to live there.

I can't even attempt to explain that feeling of vulnerability to the type around here who never lock their home or car doors, or any rooms in the house, but for anyone who has a tiny bit of sympathy to the idealism of privacy, they would understand the great stress and turmoil I lived under for several years before breaking free of that prison.

It was like living with my Mom and Step-Dad as a teen all over again, except this time you walked away knowing who-knows-what-stranger had access to your porn stash and who did they laugh about it with. Nothing was ever stolen, but the fact remained that I was violated illegally.

I'm pretty good natured about myself today, so I can joke about it, but I used to smoke weed 24/7 back then and was paranoid as hell about everything. Used to post my almost-as-bad-rants-about-everything-as-PN back in those days all the time here.....

Right now.... when I fart at work and it stinks to high Heaven (if you believe in that, otherwise take it metaphorically), I just say the gerbil died up my ass over the weekend. I tried sending up a "rescue" gerbil to befriend it and take it home, but after that first line of coke the gerbils were partying with the anal beads and the dildos and everyone was having a good time. The vibrators came into the mix and started shaking like epileptics, and all hell broke loose from there.......

Reminds me of a joke my co-worker said to me tonight......

He said "Hey Jack! I just joined a "fisting" club last week".... I was practically rolling on the floor just at that. He said "It really rounded out his friends!".......

In my mind.... it didn't even need the punchline... That joke "had me at hello"

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Friday, January 18, 2013 8:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
If MY Landlord came in unannounced, he'd be facing this:

...and the 6mm PVC BB it can hurl at a whopping 200 feet per second!!!

Yeah, I'm dangerous.

Hehe....

No...

A bit more like this one...

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Friday, January 18, 2013 8:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Your lojik iz twisted into a pretzel here, 6string.

You are claiming the possibilty uv a rezident having a gun will prevent intruderz, yet tell us your apartment wuz entered repeatedly.

Then you correctly detail the possibility uv inoccent victimz frum uzing a gun to defend yourself.

Also, I am pretty sure its illegal here in the US to enter sumwunz apartment without permission or notice except for actual emergencies. You shoud have called the cops, especially when they broke the door open.

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Yeah, my dad said I should have called the cops too, J....

Sure, I drink a lot now, but I used to smoke a boatload of weed back then. I was a lot nicer on the forums here, but I was also paranoid about that shit.

Really.... how many people want to willingly involve a "cop" presence at their dwelling when they have on their person or in their home an illegal substance?

That was kind of our "sick" arrangement. "Invade my house as much as you like because I smoke weed."

I haven't smoked weed since before I owned my house, and honestly, I couldn't afford it even if I wanted to.

Oh! The irony! (Used correctly unlike most of Alanis Moressettes BS song)

I might be white, but I've got a little bit of the taste of minority bagging that is to come for all of us one day. I smoke cigarettes, I haven't been able to smoke weed for 2 years to try to get another semi-decent job, i'm the ONLY person of my peers that doesn't smoke weed or do worse things like Coke or crushed up lines of Vicadin, and I'm 33 and I have a few grey hairs coming in in my temples this year. I don't think my 2 interviewers won't neglect to notice those when I interview in March for the union job I'm putting all of my baskets in.

If I don't get this job, I'm hooking up with a 40 year old cougar with 3 kids and living on the gumment handouts.

In my position, with no mortgage and no car payment, it's a lot easier to just lay the pipe with some older woman from time to time and put up with her brats than it is to be foreclosed on.

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Friday, January 18, 2013 9:15 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

Soundz like a plan! But I dont get wut youre saying about forclosure if you dont hav a morgage.

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Friday, January 18, 2013 9:19 AM

Sorry J.....

I own my house now, with cash..... bought it at nearly 90k less than the previous buyers since it was a foreclosure.

If I was making more than 8 bucks an hour to basically wipe a monkey's ass with no benefits, I'd be sitting pretty...

Kind of sad to have no house mortgage or car payment, yet still make so little that you have to dip into the bank to make property tax and insurance payments.

Sometimes life is unfair....

Things will bounce back correctly though..... :)

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Friday, January 18, 2013 9:38 AM

NEW POST TO ADD:

I could never put myself in any one of your positions, since we are all "snowflakes"... but I would dread to even imagine raising one kid or even two or three on this salary, unless it were a "dual-income" home.....

Even still.....

It's "The Mart" where I worked during Christmas......

Gas is 4x as much as those times....

Plastic shit toys that used to be 3.99 in 1987 are now like 14.99!!!!

Sure.... it worked out for my Dad and his 24 mint copies of X-Men number 1 and his one hundred copies of Iron Man number 1.....

Everything we bought.... all comics... all baseball cards are shit....

I remember calling my cousin a fag for collecting Beenie Babies....

Jokes on me... he paid for 2 years of college without his parents help selling them on EBay. He can't save money for shit though.... Put us both together, and we'd be running this sad little dated country.

Sorry, but the USA is about to bust....

Hope you didn't grow too attached to your lives, because they're about to be turned upside down....

I'm at the 3rd company in my life where a "financial adviser" is brought on as president. We get paid so little without benefits that I'm not worried about our jobs being sent to a foreign country, but life will get harder.

I already see co-workers ratting each other out.... It's so sad to even admit at 8 bucks an hour... but they do it.

It's kind of funny at the same time to watch one lazy f*** rat out another lazy f***.....

Who's on first....?

Who rats first....???????

Idiotis in an idiot rat maze........

I'd step up, but I have no desire to captain a sinking ship.....

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Friday, January 18, 2013 9:57 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If I was making more than 8 bucks an hour to basically wipe a monkey's ass with no benefits, I'd be sitting pretty...

You might have more money and the ability to get a better job if you quite buying the booze.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, January 18, 2013 10:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Ya'll are bothering to respond to this rambling, likely written-while-drunk bullshit?

Oh, kay.
LOL, aren't YOU?

Well, not really. I didn't even make it through the first post, once I caught the whiff of crazy coming off it. Only reason I even opened the thread was out of surprise at the number of responses. Its ya'll Im commenting to. Six has become irrelevant to me.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, January 18, 2013 10:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If I was making more than 8 bucks an hour to basically wipe a monkey's ass with no benefits, I'd be sitting pretty...

You might have more money and the ability to get a better job if you quite buying the booze.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Laugh if you will, but I posted on here for years while smoking weed and I was never considered crazy by either side.

My only proof here is FREM

Dude hates me now....

We were right on par for years before I came back after having to get off of weed and started drinking...

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Friday, January 18, 2013 10:38 AM

You hate everyone who has a hint of anti-liberal SM...

You don't count....

It would be like asking Big Gay Al on South Park why he was Gay....

We are what we are....

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Friday, January 18, 2013 10:44 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
[Laugh if you will, but I posted on here for years while smoking weed and I was never considered crazy by either side.

My only proof here is FREM

Dude hates me now....

We were right on par for years before I came back after having to get off of weed and started drinking...

...and?

Good for you that you smoke the Devil's lettuce and still be coherent. That does not mean you had to start drinking, nor does it mean you should not stop. I would think that people are starting to hate you would be a big fucking clue.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, January 18, 2013 10:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You hate everyone who has a hint of anti-liberal SM...

Uh oh, someone better tell Jong he's suddenly a liberal.

Or maybe drunks don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

The fact that you don't seem to recognize the difference between the cognitive effect of booze and weed pretty clearly indicates its the latter.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, January 18, 2013 10:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Plastic shit toys that used to be 3.99 in 1987 are now like 14.99!!!!

Sure.... it worked out for my Dad and his 24 mint copies of X-Men number 1 and his one hundred copies of Iron Man number 1.....

Everything we bought.... all comics... all baseball cards are shit....

Oh my GOD! You mean, prices have gone UP over the course of 25 years!?!? It's a conspiracy!!!!

Here's a thought - look at prices 25 years prior to your example of 1987. They went up a lot over that timeframe too, without the country exploding.

Sober up and at least try to form a coherent thought.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, January 18, 2013 10:51 AM

Still not getting the point of either...

SM hating somebody who loves free speech, drunk or sober, is not news to anyone....

SM is total pro Zombie for all.

Most anti-patriot in this thread....

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Friday, January 18, 2013 10:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Plastic shit toys that used to be 3.99 in 1987 are now like 14.99!!!!

Sure.... it worked out for my Dad and his 24 mint copies of X-Men number 1 and his one hundred copies of Iron Man number 1.....

Everything we bought.... all comics... all baseball cards are shit....

Oh my GOD! You mean, prices have gone UP over the course of 25 years!?!? It's a conspiracy!!!!

Here's a thought - look at prices 25 years prior to your example of 1987. They went up a lot over that timeframe too, without the country exploding.

Sober up and at least try to form a coherent thought.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

Yeah....

Idiot....

Gas prices.....

In late 90s, they were 88 cents a gallon.....

Now we're lucky if we get them for 3 to 4 times as much....

What costs more.... oh... well about everyghing except for whatever clothes those "niggers" in china make us....

Yeah... How did Abercrobie and Fitch go out of business this year????

Because nobody in this economy, even rich people in this country, would pay rich nigger countrys 120 bucks for a pair of Levis that lasted half as long....

Fuck you
Fuck the Chinese
Fuck any other 3rd world country working our jobs...

You are what you buy

Buy those non-made-in-America-jeans

You're a happy blind nigger

Enjoy it

Happy Blind Nigger

You HBN

Smile and enjoy it and know that you're a big part of why this country failed.

Lame....

Useless

HBN.....

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Friday, January 18, 2013 11:01 AM

Wow, you sure showed me you're not a crazy bitter drunk.

Enjoy your liver poisoning, dickweed.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, January 18, 2013 11:03 AM

Wow... that's a real liberal counterpoint....

Thanks for not disappointing me...

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Friday, January 18, 2013 11:03 AM

Okay, you really want me to destroy one of your idiotic "points?" Okay:

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Idiot....

Gas prices.....

In late 90s, they were 88 cents a gallon.....

And in 1957 the average price was 27 cents a gallon. Thank you for making my point for me - The rate of increase over the same ammount of time is almost identical, you fucking moron.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, January 18, 2013 11:05 AM

i totally wish i had like 110 IQ pts like "ya'all" do....

Even talking to most of you here is like playing a game of chess when I'm Black and have all queens and your white and you have all pawns.

It's just pointless...

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Friday, January 18, 2013 11:07 AM

Niggers of any color were able to raise their family in 1957 off of 60 bucks a week. That was including a house.

A nigger can't buy a carton of smokes in most counties for that money today....

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Friday, January 18, 2013 11:11 AM

CHRISISALL

Six, do you WANT everyone to hate you now? 'Cause it's beginning to work...

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Friday, January 18, 2013 11:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
i totally wish i had like 110 IQ pts like "ya'all" do....

Even talking to most of you here is like playing a game of chess when I'm Black and have all queens and your white and you have all pawns.

It's just pointless...

Wow, you just dig deeper into your delusions.

You ask me to address a point - I do so, pointing out how wrong you are.... and you think you're winning.

Knowing that you wish you could raise your IQ to a level that is more than 30 points below where I'm at already... yeah, that explains a lot. I'm sorry - I shouldn't be taxing your poor pickled mind with such concepts like math, since its clearly beyond your capability.

My bad.

Have another drink, son, it'll take the sting of being retarded away for a few minutes.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, January 18, 2013 11:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Six, do you WANT everyone to hate you now?

Well, he already cornered bitter, angry, drunk, uninformed and generally stupid. Why not add bigot to fill out the stereotype?

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, January 18, 2013 11:44 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Six, make sure you talk to PirateNews on how to offend the Jews next.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, January 18, 2013 12:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Okay, you really want me to destroy one of your idiotic "points?" Okay:

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Idiot....

Gas prices.....

In late 90s, they were 88 cents a gallon.....

And in 1957 the average price was 27 cents a gallon. Thank you for making my point for me - The rate of increase over the same ammount of time is almost identical, you fucking moron.

Gas wasn't 88 cents a gallon in the 90s in this country. If it was, more people would have been on their knees in front of Bill Clinton!

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Friday, January 18, 2013 12:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
i totally wish i had like 110 IQ pts like "ya'all" do....

Even talking to most of you here is like playing a game of chess when I'm Black and have all queens and your white and you have all pawns.

It's just pointless...

*Y'all. It's a contraction of "you all"; when you remove letters, you replace the letters removed with an apostrophe. Can't = can not; won't = will not; I'ven't = I have not.

*you're. You are.

But yes, I wish you had a 110 IQ, too; it would make it so much easier to have a coherent conversation with you.

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Friday, January 18, 2013 7:57 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
I would think that people are starting to hate you would be a big fucking clue.

Oh gee, ya think ?

Plus there's the N-word.
For reasons I won't get into at the moment I find it so offensive I refuse to allow it even spoken in my presence, which causes Augustus and his people no end of frustration sometimes, but it is indeed a serious issue for me and I will not countenance it, a point I have not budged on since I was six years old and rejected utterly the racism of both my family and the community.

It was stupid then, it's even stupider now, ESPECIALLY over the internet.

-Frem

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 7:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Agent: "lax legal protection of rented homes is the problem in that situation" pretty much sums it up.

Mark, I'm ashamed of you!

After saying what you did, you went and JOINED the conversation, and even tried to COMMUNICATE with him! You know it only encourages him...

I didn't read any of his

, but I was surprised to see you jump in. Shame on you...

While scrolling through to read others' posts, I did see his use of "that" word. There are no words...there is only

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 7:43 AM

Sorry Mick....

I only post here when I've been drinking and have abused my brain to be somewhere on the average proles level.

If you somehow managed to be above that and aren't bored out of your mind posting here, I didn't mean to offend you.

Kudos for you for keeping it real with the idiot proles. :)

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 7:53 AM

Nigger isn't a bad word....

Get over it....

Nigger, Nigger, Nigger, Nigger, Nigger....

I don't care, they don't care, unless you're a White Supremacist who DOES care and is taking our livelihood and freedom like Barack Obama is doing.

Barack Obama.....

Fake Nigger....

Fake American....

Bill Clinton was more black than that buster.....

Fuck Obama...

Fuck any white guilt that cringes at this post.....

I work with more blacks than whites and they LOVE me... Got two girls there telling me that I look like Joey from Friends and one of the Dr. Who's......

When me and Shannon, the trash-talking Nigger that works there and I pass by we bump fists. He says "White Power" in a Dave Chappelle voice, and I say Black Power in an Eddie Murphy voice.

All my people, regardless of color, work hard at their jobs.....

There is ZERO reason I can't say the word nigger.

THAT is just more personal insecurity from uppity white people who never had to work a job that's so "demeaning" that they'd be the only white person there.

Fuck you, you white nigger trash!

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Saturday, January 19, 2013 9:25 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

I havent been here very long. Haz 6string alwayz been a far rite wing wakko?

Him & Wishymay were my original buddyz here.

6string - you seemed OK till the election show started heating up, so I hav the impression that you just got sucked in by the Fox alternate reality propaganda vortex.

Now youre kinda reminding me uv my old pal Dave - eazily led down to the lowest levelz, no self disaplin, lacking standardz, weak lojik.

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:10 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Hi Jack, you're being a rutter and you know it. Your'e also being disgusting in multiple fashions. Self control is cool, I thought you were drinking less and doing better. What happened?

Yeah Frem the N word kind of makes me feel yucky too, I don't like hearing that luh suh either, even when African Americans say it about each other, why would they want to do that anyways?

Jack I bet you don't say that word around your darker skinned friends at work, or if you do you say it only to the ones who like teasing with you so they won't mind it and they call you white trash while you call them that word and y'all are playin.

Worth noting is that I use the term white trash indescriminately for any person of any ethnicity who acts like ... white trash, ethnicity is irrelevent.

Jack I try to be nice to you but why should I be nice to someone who acts like _that? Come on man.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:25 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Yep, he's drinking again. Unless you really believe he posts like that sober.

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Monday, January 21, 2013 12:44 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Riona, it drives some of Augustus's crew up the wall how I am about that, but by now they just roll their eyes and bite their tongue, and then try to needle me with ever more ridiculous attempts to mock me for being (vaguely-generally) caucasian, which come off as embarassingly funny.

I'm all for free speech, so long as one is prepared to deal with the natural consequences thereof, and that word *will* rile me, so if enraging me is worth it to em....
As a rule, that doesn't seem to be the case, which is even funnier when you note that I don't mass even HALF what most of that crew does.

-F

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Monday, January 21, 2013 7:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Haz 6string alwayz been a far rite wing wakko?

Well, as far as I've been able to discern since I got here and he showed up (recently), he's been nothing but wacko. In far more ways than just right wing!

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Monday, January 21, 2013 1:23 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

The only time racial slurs don't bother me is in historical dramas/war movies, because people did talk like that and pretending they didn't is childish. Plus when I watch WWII movies I like to slag on the German soldiers and call them stinking crouts, but I'd never call Germans that in any other context because its mean. Sometimes context is everything. But sometimes even context doesn't keep me from feeling kind of ooky when I hear certain ones. It just depends.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 21, 2013 2:12 PM

The word "Nigger" has pretty much always been intended to demean. Sure, there have been attempts to "take it back" - in the 70s John Lennon wrote a song called "Woman is the N***er of the World", and Patty Smith wrote "Rock & Roll N***er". Elvis Costello gave us "Oliver's Army" with the line "Only takes one itchy trigger, one more widow, one less white n***er" - they were all trying to take the meaning of the word away as a form of denigrating blacks as undesirable, unequal, less than.

And while I appreciate what they were trying to do, they failed miserably, and for one reason: They were still using the word as an insult, using it to portray people as underlings, worthless, unequal, less than.

And so too is Jack using it in just such a fashion. There is no context in which the word "n***er" can be used - especially by white people - that ISN'T insulting. Jack says he has to dumb himself down with booze to be able to talk to us, because he finds us so worthless, so dumb, so ignorant, that he refers to us as "blind niggers". There's no context in which he's not intending to insult people with that word.

Rappers have had more success with it, by changing the word as well as its meaning. Nigga - it implies camaraderie, a brotherhood, a sameness, a respect, an uplift. "Trey, he's my nigga" - you've just cast the subject in a positive light, a complimentary tone. If a black man tells me another black man is his nigga, he's telling me they're tight, they're friends, trusted associates. I cannot say it, though. If a white person says a black person is his nigga, it's heard as implying ownership in a way. If a black person says I'm *HIS* nigga, that's high praise indeed - that means he sees me not as an oppressor, a white devil, or a cracker, but as an equal, a friend, someone trustworthy.

But when you put the "-er" on the end, it's always offensive, and it's always intended to be.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, January 21, 2013 2:13 PM

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
The only time racial slurs don't bother me is in historical dramas/war movies, because people did talk like that and pretending they didn't is childish. Plus when I watch WWII movies I like to slag on the German soldiers and call them stinking crouts, but I'd never call Germans that in any other context because its mean. Sometimes context is everything. But sometimes even context doesn't keep me from feeling kind of ooky when I hear certain ones. It just depends.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

"Krauts", with a K, if you please, Riona. That's my people you're slagging; please do so with the proper respect.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, January 21, 2013 3:10 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Oops, I'm a crappy speller, I'm sorry Quicko. technically they're my people too ancestrally, my ancestry is mostly German and English. But my inner being is pretty much all Irish with smatterings of Mongol, Maori, Native and occasional other things tossed in. Don't have anything against Germans or Englishfolk as a general rule, but I'm just not drawn to those cultures persay. In America I figure we don't really have much of a culture so I can choose what I'd like to be.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 21, 2013 3:14 PM