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In cable the day he died, U.S. ambassador warned Clinton about Benghazi security
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:23 PM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Just hours before he died in a terrorist attack at the U.S. compound in Benghazi, Ambassador Chris Stevens sent a cable to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton painting a chaotic, violent portrait of the eastern Libya city and warning that local militias were threatening to pull the security they afforded U.S. officials. Militia leaders told U.S. officials just two days before the attack that they were angered by U.S. support of a particular candidate for Libyan prime minister and warned “they would not continue to guarantee security in Benghazi, a critical function they asserted they were currently providing,” Stevens wrote in the cable the morning of Sept. 11, 2012. He also cited several other episodes that raised questions about the reliability of local Libya security. “Growing problems with security would discourage foreign investment and led to persistent economic stagnation in eastern Libya,” Stevens cautioned. The Washington Guardian obtained a copy of the memo, a weekly summary of events in Libya dated just hours before a band of terrorists struck the unofficial U.S. consulate in Benghazi and a neaby annex building where the CIA operated, killing the ambassador and three other Americans. Stevens’ cable is likely to become a central focus of congressional hearings that begin Wednesday -- hearings where Clinton will be pressed to explain why security for diplomats in the region wasn’t increased in the weeks before the attack and why so much reliance was placed on local security forces with dubious loyalties. The House Foreign Affairs Committee led by its new chairman, Rep. Ed Royce, R-Calif., is leading the investigation in that chamber, while the Senate's Foreign Affairs Committee chaired by Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez has its own hearing. Among the questions lawmakers in both parties are likely to probe is why the State Department turned down a request in August that a special military security team extend its stay in the region, and why U.S. officials relied so heavily on local security tied to militias, a concern Stevens himself had flagged. Congressional investigators have developed evidence that some of the local security at the Benghazi consulate failed to protect the compound during the attack and may have even had forewarnings that violence could occur that day. Obama administration officials declined comment on the cable, referring a reporter instead to the findings released in late December of the State Department Accountability Review Board report on Benghazi. For weeks after the attack, State Department officials insisted they had reviewed security at the compound and believed they had adequate resources heading into the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks. They also claimed they had no forewarning of impending trouble. Stevens' concerns about militia security were previously mentioned by news outlets such as The Daily Beast, but the full details of the diplomatic cable and the exact language Stevens used to alert his bosses in Washington show the State Department had plenty reason to know the city he was visiting was in violent disarray and that there was growing distrust of the security capabilities of local police and militias. The document described a “state of maximum alert” that had just ended a few days earlier in the city, detailed “extra-judicial killings” of Libyan government officials that were ongoing in the vicinity, reported on a deadly car bombing, and noted the destruction of power lines that blacked out part of the region. One Libya security commander “expressed growing frustration with police and security forces” and suggested local security was “too weak to keep the country secure,” the memo said. The cable also warned that Salafists had engaged in a gun battle at a Muslim shrine less than 22 miles (35 kilometers) outside Benghazi three days earlier, killing three and injuring seven. Stevens specifically flagged concerns about official security exposed by that incident, saying a militia brigade sent to protect the shrine was “late responding” and some Salafist members in the brigade “were actually fighting against local residents in support of efforts to destroy the shrine. Likewise, the ambassador wrote he also had received a warning of “expanding Islamist influence” in the nearby community of Derna, noting another local militia brigade had “undercut police presence by accusing the police of being loyal to the former regime.” As for the explosives attacks on power lines, Stevens wrote, authorities had “confirmed press reports that huge 400 kilowatt lines and towers, including their foundations, had been completely destroyed.” While the report was mostly filled with reports of violence and warnings of dubious security, Stevens did relate one meeting he had with local business leaders who tried to make the case for increased U.S. investment in Benghazi. The businessmen argued that “despite the challenges… the security situation was improving,” the cable said before rattling off a laundry list of recent violence. One of the reasons Stevens apparently risked going from the more fortified embassy in Tripoli to Benghazi was also detailed in the cable: Stevens planned to unveil a new U.S. project in Benghazi to enhance “cultural and education outreach by U.S. Mission Libya.” Investigators also have zeroed in on another reason for his trip, an evening meeting with a Turkish diplomat that ended shortly before the attack. Stevens apparently had befriended the diplomat on earlier assignments and the two corresponded as early as August about the possibility of meeting in Benghazi. The official State Department review board report on the Benghazi tragedy, released last month, carefully danced around the reasons for Stevens’ willingness to take the risk of going to the less-secure compound in Benghazi on the anniversary of Sept. 11 terror attacks, saying only that ambassadors were afforded great latitude in deciding their movements and schedules. “The Board found that Ambassador Stevens made the decision to travel to Benghazi independently of Washington, per standard practice,” the report said. The report, however, was far more direct in accusing the State Department of failing to assess the security situation in Benghazi and providing adequate protections. "Systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels within two bureaus of the State Department (the “Department”) resulted in a Special Mission security posture that was inadequate for Benghazi and grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place,” the review board concluded.
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:33 PM
AURAPTOR
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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:06 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:46 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: How much money for Benghazi security did House Republicans approve?
Quote:The former head of a Special Forces "Site Security Team" in Libya tells CBS News that in spite of multiple pleas from himself and other U.S. security officials on the ground for "more, not less" security personnel, the State Department removed as many as 34 people from the country in the six months before the terrorist attack in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others. Lt. Col. Andy Wood will appear this week at a House Oversight Committee hearing that will examine security decisions leading up to the Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the U.S. compound in Benghazi. Speaking to CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson, Wood said when he found out that his own 16-member team and a six-member State Department elite force were being pulled from Tripoli in August - about a month before the assault in Benghazi - he felt, "like we were being asked to play the piano with two fingers. There was concern amongst the entire embassy staff." Congress to probe security flaws for Libya diplomats Libya consulate: Was security added or taken away? State Dept. to take hot seat over Libya security He said other staffers approached him with their concerns when the reduction in security personnel was announced. "They asked if we were safe," he told Attkisson. "They asked... what was going to happen, and I could only answer that what we were being told is that they're working on it - they'll get us more (security personnel), but I never saw that."
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:07 AM
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:13 AM
ARLO
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Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Rand Paul nailed it when he said that if what went on while he was President, he'd ask for his SecState's resignation. Only, I think he actually said he'd dismiss him/ her before any resignation letter had a chance to be sent.
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:25 AM
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by ARLO: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Rand Paul nailed it when he said that if what went on while he was President, he'd ask for his SecState's resignation. Only, I think he actually said he'd dismiss him/ her before any resignation letter had a chance to be sent. So, basically, you're not really sure what he said or how he said it but you were impressed enough to almost share it word for word. sincerely, 1933
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:58 AM
CHRISISALL
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:47 AM
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: As for the blame of all this, it clearly lies w/ the terrorist militants, ( not an angry crowd ) who attacked our consulate. And it goes to who ever told our troops to stand down / wait , for 11 hours, until the ambassador had been killed and sodomized. Or was it sodomized , then killed ? Guess we'll never know, huh?
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Considering no one responsible has been identified, and there is no inquiry going on in Libya that we know of, one wonders how that translates into doing everything we can to prevent another such attack.
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:25 PM
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:40 PM
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Fact is , we need no more federal spending to protect our kids. Just let teachers be citizens,and allow them to carry.
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Fact is , we need no more federal spending to protect our kids. Just let teachers be citizens,and allow them to carry. Again, most teachers are idiots. How do I know? because most PEOPLE are idiots. More idiots with guns = more accidents.... bad drivers, anyone???? It's lost on you, I know, and I do not blame you, considering.
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:13 PM
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I do find it hilarious that the idiots on the right are so much more concerned about four Americans dying in Libya than they were about 27 Americans dying in Connecticut.
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: While they make a point that is worth pondering, they could have done it in a much better way, no need to be specific, they could have made the point in a more general way, something like "When there are children living in the White House they get lots of security to keep them safe, and aren't our children just as important as a president's children?". Kwicko: From a national security standpoint, No. Sorry, but they really aren't. Please let me know next time you have received some 10,000 death threats against you and your family, and we'll revisit their importance to the nation and its security.
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:15 PM
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko:
Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I do find it hilarious that the idiots on the right are so much more concerned about four Americans dying in Libya than they were about 27 Americans dying in Connecticut. Is that like you being more concerned about Pres. Obama's kids than everyone elses? Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: While they make a point that is worth pondering, they could have done it in a much better way, no need to be specific, they could have made the point in a more general way, something like "When there are children living in the White House they get lots of security to keep them safe, and aren't our children just as important as a president's children?". Kwicko: From a national security standpoint, No. Sorry, but they really aren't. Please let me know next time you have received some 10,000 death threats against you and your family, and we'll revisit their importance to the nation and its security. So since the security folks on the ground in Libya thought there were threats against the Americans there, and requested additional security, shouldn't that have made the State Department revisit the importance of the U.S. ambassador and his security, instead of reducing his security force?
Quote: Then again, there was no indication at all to authorities that there would be an attack at Sandy Hook, unlike the multiple warnings from security and embassy personnel in Libya of potential threats. Somehow I doubt that if the authorities in Conn. had been told by security experts that there was a likelihood of an attack on a school there, they would have reduced security in the schools.
Quote: And once again, just because some folks don't kneejerk a ban on certain types of weapons doesn't mean that they aren't concerned about violence, or that they don't have ideas about reducing it, some of which the President himself has suggested.
Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:30 AM
Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:04 AM
Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Rand Paul is 15 x's more qualified for his job than Obama was for his Senate seat.
Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by ARLO: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Rand Paul is 15 x's more qualified for his job than Obama was for his Senate seat. An assertion made with nothing concrete to back it can be called blind faith. sincerely, 1933
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: As you've pointed out, there were vague threats that SOMETHING might happen, SOMEWHERE in the world, regarding , possibly, maybe, SOME of our more than 70,000 embassy personnel or tens if not hundreds of thousands of contractors employed by our government. But somehow Hillary was supposed to know exactly where and when an attack was going to come. You make it sound like she had some sort of briefing paper titled "Al Qaeda determined to attack inside Benghazi consulate on September 11, 2012" or something.
Quote:I can tell you with 100% certainty that there will be more school shootings this year. Everybody knows the threat is there, is real, yet you refuse to listen or believe it, and steadfastly refuse to take any commonsense measures to forestall or prevent it.
Quote:And once again, just because some folks don't kneejerk an invasion of yet another country doesn't mean they aren't concerned about violence or embassy security, even when the House Republicans are busy chopping hundreds of billions of dollars out of the embassy security budget.
Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:01 AM
PIRATENEWS
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:46 PM
Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:21 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Friday, January 25, 2013 2:28 AM
Friday, January 25, 2013 3:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA: Maybe if we hadn't used our Embassy as a C3 center to STAGE A FUCKING COUP and then used it's basement as a TORTURE CHAMBER, perhaps we wouldn't have had a security problem to begin with, eh ? Just sayin. -F
Friday, January 25, 2013 4:22 AM
Friday, January 25, 2013 9:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Yeah. That's right. Just "Blame Bush" again. Oh...No...Wait a sec.
Monday, January 28, 2013 4:57 PM
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