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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:12 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




" Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit. "

- Guess who ?



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:09 PM

ARLO

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Your daddy?

sincerely, 1933

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:47 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


" Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit. "

- Guess who ?



Ooh ooh, I should know this.
Okay, I'm pretty sure it's one of three people.
But I really don't know for sure.
I wish I had chosen the first grade question instead of the third grade one.
Yeah, I'll take a cheat and go with the fifth grade class answer.
C'mon guys, I really need your help.
"BARACK OBAMA"
Correct? Oh wow! That $125 is really gonna make the Mrs. happy!

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:46 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


"Deficits don't matter."


Who said it?


Anyone?

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:28 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Incompetent VPs for $200 Alex.....


Who is Dick Cheney.



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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:00 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


" Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit. "

- Guess who ?



Ooh ooh, I should know this.
Okay, I'm pretty sure it's one of three people.
But I really don't know for sure.
I wish I had chosen the first grade question instead of the third grade one.
Yeah, I'll take a cheat and go with the fifth grade class answer.
C'mon guys, I really need your help.
"BARACK OBAMA"
Correct? Oh wow! That $125 is really gonna make the Mrs. happy!



Winner winner, chicken dinner!


Barack Hussein Obama said it, in 2006.



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:40 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
"Deficits don't matter."


Who said it?


Anyone?



Dick Cheney. But not in the context you might infer.

The entire quote, in David Suskind's book "The Price of Loyalty" was "You know, Paul(O'Neill), Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due."

Seems to me he was suggesting that you can run up deficits and still get your party's candidates elected. The Democrats surely confirmed that in 2012.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:54 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Geezer, don't confuse Kwickie w/ the facts. You know how it upsets him so.

Per usual, he couldn't stand dealing w/ what Obama said, so he instead tried to divert attention away from the issue, and present some fairy tale " yeah, but they did it too! " version of something Cheney said. But really didn't, in the context of what is being discussed here.


"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:02 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Hey now, I got the correct answer first! Geezer was just trying to to earn brownie points with Miss Crabtree with his fancy shmancy explanations and all. That ice cream cone should be mine! ... Ain't that right Butch?

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Simmer down Jongs. Chicken dinner was already awarded to ya.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:07 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Chicken dinner indeed...you're a real sport. Was it cage-free at least?

My fault for getting involved, coulda had a V-8!

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:52 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Geezer, don't confuse Kwickie w/ the facts. You know how it upsets him so.




Says the guy who can't tell a "fact" from a "claim", and has a serious problem with ever citing his "facts" *OR* his "claims", and then when called on his bullshit claims that he's only speaking "off the cuff" and isn't writing a term paper and should be expected to rely on facts.

Of course, that's also the guy who claimed as fact the idiotic assertion that "95% of Americans don't pay taxes!"

And who claimed that it really bugs him that the president is black. And then claimed he'd never said any such thing, anywhere, in any way.

Facts. Kicking the shit out of Rappy for years.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:05 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Nothing but baseless & distorted ad hominems.

What of Barry being for debt control, before being against it?

Still not a peep from you on that point.

Hypocrite



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:26 AM

ARLO

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Huh. Hypocrisy?






sincerely, 1933

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:45 AM

ARLO

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More fun point-making quotes on point-making quote quiz day:

(Identify the authors)

1. "People ask me, 'What are you going to do to develop jobs in your state?' Well, that's not my job as a U.S. senator."

2. "What I don't like from the president's administration is this sort of, 'I'll put my boot heel on the throat of BP.' I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business. I've heard nothing from BP about not paying for the spill. And I think it's part of this sort of blame-game society in the sense that it's always got to be someone's fault instead of the fact that sometimes accidents happen."

3. "I don't want to be associated with those people, but I also don't want to limit their speech in any way in the sense that we tolerate boorish and uncivilized behavior because that’s one of the things freedom requires is that we allow people to be boorish and uncivilized, but that doesn't mean we approve of it."

4. "We needed to have the press be our friend ... We wanted them to ask the questions we want to answer so that they report the news the way we want it to be reported."

5. "American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains."

6. "I guarantee it's one of their long-term goals, to have one sort of border-less mass continent."

7. "We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn't that ironic?"

8. "The first thing that has to be done is secure the border ... East Germany was very, very able to reduce the flow. Now, obviously, other things were involved. We have the capacity to, as a great nation, secure the border. If East Germany could, we could."

9. "The greatest threat to America is not necessarily a recession or even another terrorist attack. The greatest threat to America is a liberal media bias."

10. "You know what, evolution is a myth. Why aren't monkeys still evolving into humans?"

11. "I've always been fascinated by the fact that here was a relatively small country that from a strictly military point of view accomplished incredible things." (explaining why for years he donned a German Waffen SS uniform and participated in Nazi re-enactments)

12. "I'm ashamed of what happened in the White House yesterday. I think it is a tragedy in the first proportion that a private corporation can be subjected to what I would characterize as a shakedown -- in this case a $20 billion shakedown ... I'm only speaking for myself. I'm not speaking for anyone else, but I apologize. I do not want to live in a county where anytime a citizen or a corporation does something that is legitimately wrong, [it is] subject to some sort of political pressure that, again, in my words, amounts to a shakedown." (The biggest recipient of oil and gas industry campaign contributions in the House of Representatives referring to a $20 billion fund for damages that President Obama pressured BP to set up to pay for the Gulf oil spill.)


sincerely, 1933

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:31 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nothing but baseless & distorted ad hominems.



The fact that they make you embarrassed and uncomfortable doesn't make them baseless, distorted, or ad hominems.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:29 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nothing but baseless & distorted ad hominems.



The fact that they make you embarrassed and uncomfortable doesn't make them baseless, distorted, or ad hominems.




The fact? They do nothing of the sort. And the fact that your examples are w/ out merit, distorted and out of context, should embarrass YOU.

The proof of how you got Cheney's quote completely wrong in this very thread is a shiny example of just how pathetic you and your attempts routinely are here.

One can only hope that you're not this incompetent in real life.



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


How did I get Cheney's quote "completely wrong"? By stating exactly what he said? Hell, Geezer's "context" for it only shows how right I was.


As for my own citing of YOUR claims, they're completely factual and not distorted in the least. You actually did make those claims. That is a fact. That you are unable to acknowledge the facts is further proof of how fucking dumb you truly are.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


You got Cheney's quote completely wrong, and you claiming other wise shows just how utterly and totally deluded you are.

Cheney wasn't saying deficits are fine as a matter of fiscal POLICY, but that they don't play into the elect-ability of candidates.

And Barry is proof of exactly that.

Making Cheney exactly right. And you pathetically wrong.


Again.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:45 PM

ARLO

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You got Cheney's quote completely wrong, and you claiming other wise shows just how utterly and totally deluded you are.

*foam spittle foam*

Cheney wasn't saying deficits are fine as a matter of fiscal POLICY, but that they don't play into the elect-ability of candidates.

*foam spittle foam*

And Barry is proof of exactly that.

*foam spittle foam*

Making Cheney exactly right. And you pathetically wrong.

*foam spittle foam*

Again.

*stomp stomp stomp*




Lighten up, Francis.

sincerely, 1933

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Arlo, perhaps you should grow up.



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:13 AM

ARLO

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Arlo, perhaps you should grow up.



Maturity is a lifetime pursuit. Yet it seems I've lapped you quite a few times when your 'argument' devolves so quickly from its rhetorical premise to nothing but a name-calling match.

Now, you can use this as an epiphany and exemplify maturity ... or not. The smart bet's on the not.

sincerely, 1933

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



You're the child whose argument was to do nothing more than to interject juvenile comments into my quotes, and now you claim some sort of maturity superiority ?

Crassic.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:27 AM

ARLO

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

You're the child whose argument was to do nothing more than to interject juvenile comments into my quotes, and now you claim some sort of maturity superiority ?

Crassic.




And ... that was a record time NOT, at that. This generally comes from you being more impressed with yourself than you could possibly engender amongst the majority on the forum you so desperately seek attention on. You've likely given up trying to be the mature, logical, example-setting creature that would actually give your critique of others credence long ago since that bar obviously takes effort.

Oh .. and yes ... all I am doing is making fun of you. Do you think you really want to argue with me about the issue at hand? I'm hesitant to give you that benefit of the doubt.

=0)

sincerely, 1933

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

You've likely given up trying to be the mature, logical, example-setting creature that would actually give your critique of others credence long ago since that bar obviously takes effort.

As far as I can tell, Arlo, he never "gave it up"; he's been exactly the same since I first got here. I do wish he'd get some new material, but then eh, who cares?

Cheney did say it, that's all there is to that:
Quote:

Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill was told "deficits don't matter" when he warned of a looming fiscal crisis.

O'Neill, fired in a shakeup of Bush's economic team in December 2002, raised objections to a new round of tax cuts and said the president balked at his more aggressive plan to combat corporate crime after a string of accounting scandals because of opposition from "the corporate crowd," a key constituency.

O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due." A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired. http://www.ontheissues.org/2004/Dick_Cheney_Budget_+_Economy.htm



Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:57 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


" Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit. "



When was this said Rappy, what date? I have no doubt he said it but the date it was said is important.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Arlo, as evidenced by your lame replies, you couldn't have an honest debate with me on anything before you sank into the standard, Left wing ad hominem ridiculousness.


Quote:

When was this said Rappy, what date? I have no doubt he said it but the date it was said is important


March 16, 2006, when Obama was a US Senator.

It was so bad, it was even awarded a rare upside down Pinocchio, from the washington post.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/annotating-obama
s-2006-speech-against-boosting-the-debt-limit/2013/01/14/aa8cf8c4-5e9b-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_blog.html


"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:18 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"Child", "juvenile" "grow up"--you've got him on the run, Arlo, he usually pulls that shit out of his pants when he's got nothing else!

Obviously he squeezed his eyes shut and scrolled past



Oh, my, look how much his gods Reagan and Bush added to the debt, SIX TIMES as much as Obama. What was Rap saying, again?

By the way, I don't recall Obama saying anything about the debt NOT being a problem; when he was senator, it was a major issue we could have worked on (were it not for Iraq, Afghanistan, bailing out the banks, tax cuts to the wealthy, etc.). Currently, Obama is WORKING on bringing down the debt, but along with other issues which AFFECT the debt (like global warming, health care, immigration, gap between rich and poor, and so many others). I realize Rap isn't capable of recognizing that there is any way to deal with high debt other than just cutting the hell out of every safety net and throwing the population to the wolves, but the fact remains that MANY things affect our country economically, and there are many ways to come at the deficit/debt. Which Obama is doing.

We all recognize that Rap is just parroting what he's been told, that the deficit is the ONLY important thing facing our country, and cutting spending (NOT defense spending, mind you, even of the Pentagon WANTS it!) is the ooooonly way to fly...

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:20 PM

ARLO

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Arlo, as evidenced by your lame replies, you couldn't have an honest debate with me on anything before you sank into the standard, Left wing ad hominem ridiculousness.



How wonderfully convenient for you. Almost excuses you from even trying, doesn't it? Is that a hankie you're bravely using for a white flag, sir? =0)

sincerely, 1933

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:27 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Niki, you've so far bought into the cult of Obama speak, that even trying to discuss w/ you is beyond futile.

You make up completely false positions for those who oppose your lord and savior, Obama, like how no one on the right wants to even dare cut defense spending. A complete red herring to the over all issue.


Arlo, you're the one who's never bothered to try to have a debate, so there's nothing for me to 'give up'. Not 1 damn thing in your reply to anything I said was even at attempt to offer up a coherent, intelligent reply to well established facts.

Go ahead, and make some 2nd grade joke about there not BEING in facts in my post, and don't even dare to try to give any examples. Just roll your eyes and make fart noises, and let that be your answer.

It literally is all you have.


"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:35 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...



Rap has also (thanx to the altar at which he prays: right-wing agenda, right-wing talk radio and right-wing FauxNews) completely forgotten that Obama HAS made spending cuts:
Quote:

As part of the 2011 Budget Control Act, Obama agreed to spending reductions of about $1.5 trillion over the next ten years. If you count the interest, the savings is actually $1.7 trillion. Boehner should have no problem remembering the details of that deal: As Greg Sargent points out, Boehner at the time actually gloated about the fact that the deal was "all spending cuts." http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/110606/obama-deficit-reduction-o
ffer-spending-cut-tax-increase-boehner#
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The Republicans refused Obama's offer of yet MORE spending cuts to the tune of several hundred billion dollars with respect to the Fiscal Cliff, as well. Add those two together and it would have been more than $2 trillion in spending cuts. But of course the Republicans rejected his latest offer in hopes of keeping tax cuts for the rich (some of which they lost anyway), so we can't count that. Nonetheless,
Quote:

Cuts from the Budget Control Act will take discretionary spending (spending on agencies and programs that Congress must reauthorize every few years) as a share of gross domestic product down to its lowest level since early 1960s, when government first began keep tracking of it:


Same


None of this gets through his thick skull, which is so filled with right-wing talking points and which the brain inside of that thickness flatly refuses to actually engage its brain cells on its own.

Eh, we all know Rap will start using his brain about

Until then, juvenile, stupid, childish, lame, ridiculous--that's all he's got.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:39 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What a kick in the head: Rap's lord and masters Bush I, Bush II (in both terms) AND Reagan raised spending more than Clinton, and, Bush II and Reagan, what, six or so TIMES more than Obama, but all Rap can do is scream about the deficit THEY largely created! It's to laugh...


Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:42 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Niki - you're suffering from too much ganja over too many decades.

Obama has spent more money than ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS COMBINED!

The 16+ TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT isn't fantasy, and it sure as hell isn't all on Bush. Obama has nearly doubled the debt, and plans on pushing that debt up further and further.

Seriously woman, time to detox.



"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:55 PM

ARLO

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not 1 damn thing in your reply to anything I said was even at attempt to offer up a coherent, intelligent reply to well established facts.



Well, lets see. The 'well-established fact' you had was a 'guess who said this' game. I upped your ante with apparently more quotes than you could handle in return. I also inserted specific responses (factual and verifiable charts, specifically) that challenge your apparent perception that Mr. Obama is the worst sole individual amongst all presidents to date (if not amongst the entire population of the globe, sans liberals, non-Christians, women, Jews [if you ask PN], drug-users and people who look funny) when it comes to the budget, the deficit and the national economy (some people confuse all three for one thing). I'm pretty secure and confident. Anytime you finally are, then quit yer whining and feeling sorry for yourself and lets dance, Sheila.

=0)

sincerely, 1933

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:07 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
March 16, 2006, when Obama was a US Senator.



...and how the economy on March 16, 2006?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, January 25, 2013 8:06 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Absolutely amazing how Rap can go right on insisting something false and skip right past clear evidence to the contrary, simply because it's what his lords and masters on FauxNews and right-wing talk radio have said it. I'll let him skip past it once again:



...and why not a few more:





Note sources. And hey, ho, let's compare the last five Presidents:



There. I've provided a whole bunch of facts, via charts so easy to read that even a child could understand, just for Rap to scan past. Should make him happy.

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