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LOL Cats

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:57 PM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:45 PM

Beir bua agus beannacht

Oops
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:24 AM

America loves a winner!

Life imitates art ?

The Great Georgia Cat Chase

Back in 1988 I did a radio program on WGST called The Georgia Cat Chasing Championships. The contest was simple. You load a cat and about six skydivers on an airplane … then you climb way up yonder. First the cat gets thrown out, then the skydivers follow and chase the cat. The cat is all splayed out like a flying squirrel, so it’s easy to catch up. The skydiver who lands with the cat is the winner.

You can’t imagine the trouble I caused when this was first broadcast. Sheriffs across Georgia were searching local airports to try to find us and stop the competition. Advertisers were calling WGST and cancelling advertising contracts due to listener complaints. It was only during the last few seconds of the show that I quickly announced to the listeners that the whole thing had been a fake.

- Neal Boortz.

http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2013/jan/11/great-georgia-cat
-chase/

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:25 AM

I... don't think a radio program in 1988 is the same thing as an online youtube video of a cat falling - possibly on loop with a background edited in for the appearance of cat sky diving. Can't really watch the video to verify authenticity.

Real or fake, WTF is wrong with people?

EDIT: Internet says it's fake, which was my first guess. Still a bad idea for a commercial. I'm particularly troubled by the fan that they were apparently holding the cats over to simulate the wind - what it they dropped one?

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:32 AM

Beir bua agus beannacht

Uh oh, I didn't actually _look at the picture, I just saw the title and responded, because looking at pictures actually requires effort for me. I'm sorry I responded to this one I guess. I don't think my little brother would like this one now that I know what it is. Maybe I should erase my initial response.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:57 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I... don't think a radio program in 1988 is the same thing as an online youtube video of a cat falling - possibly on loop with a background edited in for the appearance of cat sky diving. Can't really watch the video to verify authenticity.

Real or fake, WTF is wrong with people?

EDIT: Internet says it's fake, which was my first guess. Still a bad idea for a commercial. I'm particularly troubled by the fan that they were apparently holding the cats over to simulate the wind - what it they dropped one?

Well, the radio program was a bit ... a comedy bit. No actual cats were harmed, as it was nothing but 2 guys PRETENDING to do the play-by-play of the event. Which never actually took place. ( The GA Cat Chase winner was to move on to the Nationals, though I don't recall if there was a World Cat Chase event... )

The joke is , of course, the reaction by cat fanciers at the mere idea of tossing Snowflake or what ever out of a plane into a free fall , and having 2 guys chase to see who can grab it before it ( and they ) hit the ground. Friends of Cats, ( FoC ? ) are expected to be mortified, and the rest of us are suppose to laugh, but only because no real cats were harmed. Clearly, the joke ends when anyone takes the absurdity of tossing a cat out of a plane to the next level, and actually DOES it!

*edit - I just watched the video, sound muted, and it's fraking hilarious! A bunch of kitties, in sky diving gear, all synchronized , and the close up of their paws coming together and touching... ha!

Of, of course, they do go on to show dogs, while strapped to their owners, sky diving. THAT'S not horrific, but a cat is ?

Folks need to lighten up. It's humor.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:54 AM

The oddest thing about this to me, is that Kallista would have ENJOYED that game - hell, she probably would have liked skydiving, the adventurous little hellion that she was....
I'd occasionally stuff her into my snowmobile suit and unzip it enough for her to pop her head and and then go tearing off on one of my heavily upgraded motorbikes and she freakin LOVED it.

I miss that cat, I do.

-F

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:03 AM

America loves a winner!

The kitties in the faked part, those free falling, looked pretty indifferent or even enjoying themselves. The one which seems to have actually gone sky diving, the tandem human / kitty jumper, THAT little guy didn't look too happy.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:47 PM

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Of, of course, they do go on to show dogs, while strapped to their owners, sky diving. THAT'S not horrific, but a cat is ?

Both are pretty bad.

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:54 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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Of, of course, they do go on to show dogs, while strapped to their owners, sky diving. THAT'S not horrific, but a cat is ?

Both are pretty bad.

Why do you say that ? I mean, the cat looks terrified, but the dogs seem to take it in stride. I think, as long as the dogs are w/ their human, they figure they're fine. Cats ? No friggen way!

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:46 PM

Looking/seeming fine is not the same as being fine.

When the dog Laika was sent up into orbit by the Russians to test the sputnik capsules, they didn't have cameras in the cabin, but were able to measure how much food the dog ate based on weight sensors, and the dog's heart rate. During the dog's trip, she ate food several times, apparently, functioning as normal. But her heart rate remained elevated the entire time.

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:55 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

In Rappy's world, cruelty to animals and people is always funny.

Meanwhile, in the real world, here's a minute twenty-two of pure squee.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:11 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Online cat videos is one thing but making or making it look like a cat is skydiving is cruel if real.

OMG! And what about those poor hamsters they dress up and make drive little Kia Soul cars in those commercials. Don't they know hamsters can't drive?! Some poor hamster could get hurt!

ETA: forgot the [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] around the above.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:33 PM

Listen: I don't own one of those laptop cooling fans on account of the possibility of massive injury if the thing came loose and went spinning off. I also refuse to use or own a lawn mower and I'm scared of the sink garbage disposal for the same reason. Holding a cat over a spinning fan blade is just something that makes me cringe, okay?

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:55 PM

America loves a winner!

In JossWorld, cruelty to animals is funny too!!

Geese Juggling = Cat Chasing.

It's a joke. It's not real. Get over it.

Also funny, ( fake cruelty to animals and people ) ...

The 3 Stooges , Tom & Jerry , the Road Runner, Bugs Bunny, etc.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:01 PM

Wait, what? Folks are really upset about the CGI fantasy of cats skydiving? Even after they know it's CGI?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:08 AM

It's not entirely CGI. They held the cats over a fan.

That's like holding a baby over a balcony, or over a pissed off alligator. Kinda all kinds of wrong, dudes.

For the record I didn't think juggling geese was very funny either. I like the interpretation my friend had, that juggling geese was a band name and Wash just misunderstood.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:35 AM

America loves a winner!

Then Wash is a liar. He said he saw it, actual goslings, baby geese, being juggled.

Which of course reminds me of the Steve Martin bit he did ... Cat Juggling.

See how it all works together ?

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:50 AM

Really? We really don't see a difference between plush toys made of fabric and stuffing sewn to look like cats being tossed around, and a live cat held over a spinning fan blade?

And has it occurred to you to wonder WHY they only use stuffed cats in that scene, and not live cats?

Wash didn't say he SAW it necessarily, he said that "on some worlds they juggle geese - my hand to god, baby geese, goslings, they were juggled." There's some potential room there that Wash misunderstood an idle comment and made some assumptions.

Or there's no such world and he's just pulling people's legs. Goslings are bitey.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:54 AM

America loves a winner!

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Really? We really don't see a difference between plush toys made of fabric and stuffing sewn to look like cats being tossed around, and a live cat held over a spinning fan blade?

And has it occurred to you to wonder WHY they only use stuffed cats in that scene, and not live cats?

:doh

No actual cats were hurt in any case.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:00 AM

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No actual cats were hurt in any case.

But ONE of the scenarios has the potential for an ACCIDENT. Do you understand? In one of those scenarios, people valued live cats enough (or didn't want their faces clawed up) to put in stuffed toy doubles. In the other scenario they dangled live cats over a spinning fan blade.

One of those shows a pretty shocking disregard for the sanctity of life, the other is merely just irreverent.

Stuffed cats actors pretend are real - irreverent.

Live cats over fan blades - could possibly die.

Here's it put another way: how would you feel about this if one of the cats was accidentally dropped into the fan and died? Would it be unacceptable?

So, doesn't dangling a live cat over a spinning fan blade constitute an unacceptable RISK?

Whether or not a cat actually died, it's still WRONG either way.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:09 AM

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Child abuse is the physical or psychological/emotional mistreatment of children. In the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) define child maltreatment as any act or series of acts of commission or omission by a parent or other caregiver that results in harm, potential for harm, or threat of harm to a child.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abuse

If merely the presence of potential for harm by misaction of caretakers for children constitutes child abuse, then the presence of potential for harm by misaction of caretakers for animals constitutes animal abuse.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:27 AM

America loves a winner!

Are you certain that these fans are open, having no grill or barrier between the 'razor sharp' blades and said cat ?

You seem to be certain that , had a cat fallen onto the fan, they'd be instantly blenderized, or dismembered.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:37 AM

I wasn't assuming anything.

Even if it has a protective grill, the distance between bars on an average fan grill is maybe 6 millimeters, smaller than the individual toes of a cat - or possibly the conformable foot of the cat, in profile as it passes between the bars, possibly helped by momentum from falling. Rather like one time I got my arm caught in a narrow space because I was shoving something in there.

The fan could also potentially be damaged if it was knocked over during operation or by an impact with a cat, which would increase the danger even with a protective grill.

But I also suspect that the fan may have been open. They only mention a single fan under all of the cats, and for the shot I've seen, it would probably have to be a fairly large fan for that, maybe a wind tunnel fan.

I think it was a bad idea and a liability nightmare regardless of the specific circumstances.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:21 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Byte, I think you worry too much. It's a stupid ad, but people should be smart enough to realize it's fake...nobody is dumb enough these days to make a COMMERCIAL about cats sky diving for real! I'm pretty sure they did everything to keep the cats safe---irritated no doubt, but safe.

I've seen dogs who sky-dive with their owners just fine, dogs who really like it, as well as dogs deep-sea diving who LOVE it. Some things are cool, but I think animals should be given the CHOICE, and of course they can't choose to sky dive. That Russian one, if you notice, went totally nuts when they jumped, flailing around madly.

The dog and trampoline was hysterical. Thank you, I enjoyed that. It's along the lines of those foxes I put up playing on a trampoline. Something about a trampoline seems to fascinate some animals, and I can see how it would be enjoyable to feel that sense of freedom; I used to LOVE the trampoline!

Humans do stupid things. Humans can be very stupid. End of statement.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:41 AM

I understand it's fake. I'm concerned that they admitted they dangled cats over spinning fan blades.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:29 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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No actual cats were hurt in any case.

But ONE of the scenarios has the potential for an ACCIDENT. Do you understand? In one of those scenarios, people valued live cats enough (or didn't want their faces clawed up) to put in stuffed toy doubles. In the other scenario they dangled live cats over a spinning fan blade.

One of those shows a pretty shocking disregard for the sanctity of life, the other is merely just irreverent.

Stuffed cats actors pretend are real - irreverent.

Live cats over fan blades - could possibly die.

Here's it put another way: how would you feel about this if one of the cats was accidentally dropped into the fan and died? Would it be unacceptable?

So, doesn't dangling a live cat over a spinning fan blade constitute an unacceptable RISK?

Whether or not a cat actually died, it's still WRONG either way.

Not sure why you're making the assumption that the fan didn't have a blade guard, like pretty much every fan manufactured in the past 30 or 40 years has. I know every fan I have in my house has a blade guard that no part of a cat could get through; paws, head, legs, or tail.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:02 AM

I wasn't. See the post that details how the grill of a blade guard might not be sufficient protection.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:22 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I wasn't. See the post that details how the grill of a blade guard might not be sufficient protection.

Might not ? Good grief, you do worry too much.

Did you even watch the video ? The cats were pretty damned relaxed or indifferent. I'd say they even enjoyed it, or at least tolerated it. The only animal which seemed to really be upset over anything was the cat who really DID sky dive,strapped to his human. Talk about tormenting an animal! If you're gonna get worked up over anything, that'd be your issue, right there.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:12 PM

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If you're gonna get worked up over anything, that'd be your issue, right there.

Why do I have to choose? I have an abundance of both outrage and boredom, bitching is pretty much my only outlet.

Also: spinning-blade things are scary. Throwing that out there.

... So are mirrors.

Fuckin' MIRRORS. Walkin' along in the dark and you see something moving along the wall out of the corner of your eye. Or something crawls outta them. Or you get trapped in them, and they get broken. Or you're sucked into a strange alternate reality where you're wandering around in the woods and the mist and there's no signs of any people and you think no one's left and WHAT IS THAT NOISE.

Mirrors. :(

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:53 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I wasn't. See the post that details how the grill of a blade guard might not be sufficient protection.

Looking at the fans I have here, there are none that I can stick my little finger into far enough to encounter the blade, and I don't have big hands. Getting any part of a cat far enough into them to hit a blade would pretty much require you to chop up the cat beforehand.

If you're going to worry about cats, worry about the guy in New Zealand who wants to do away with all the cats in that country to protect native species, or the lady in D.C. who was poisoning cats because she was a bird lover and didn't like cats killing them.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:29 PM

America loves a winner!

No argument from me about mirrors.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:15 PM

AU: :)

Geezer: Cat toes and paws are smaller than you think, especially along the side.

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Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Also: spinning-blade things are scary. Throwing that out there.

Not a big fan of helicopter rides then, eh ?
*ducks*

-F

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Friday, January 25, 2013 3:49 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
AU: :)

Geezer: Cat toes and paws are smaller than you think, especially along the side.

I've owned cats, so I have a pretty good idea of the size and length of their paws. All the cats in the video were adults, so they don't have tiny kitten paws, and I'm doubtful they could have stuck any part of their anatomy through the grill on my fans, and a further two inches to where the blades are. Also, if a fan is blowing at you, the first part of a blade you'd hit would not be an edge, but the angled surface of the blade. Anyway, the wind effects shown on the video could mostly have been done with a hair dryer with no heat on.

Besides, I caught one of the neighborhood cats yesterday and tried to stick parts of him in my fans. No harm, except to my welding gloves.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, January 25, 2013 5:01 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Besides, I caught one of the neighborhood cats yesterday and tried to stick parts of him in my fans. No harm, except to my welding gloves.

Am I the only one who thought of our Captain Reynolds when they read this? Well played, sir. Joss would be proud.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, January 25, 2013 6:53 AM

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Besides, I caught one of the neighborhood cats yesterday and tried to stick parts of him in my fans. No harm, except to my welding gloves.

That's not funny. The cat was clearly terrified.

And I suspect you weren't so reckless as to drop the cat onto the fan, even if the fan had a protective grill. That's because to do so would be a violation of common sense.

The point is, there could have been an accident, and these people making this commercial were reckless.

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Friday, January 25, 2013 7:51 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Good gawd, talk about a threadjack! Why is everyone spending so much time trying to debate how safe the cat(s) was(were) with Byte, when obviously not a single point is getting through? The ad was stupid, they should have known how people would react, and we were on our way to some fun stuff...then this. Sheees. Who's crazier, Byte and her unreasonable fear that some cat or other could have been harmed, or you guys trying to convince her it couldn't?

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Friday, January 25, 2013 8:08 AM

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Who's crazier, Byte and her unreasonable fear that some cat or other could have been harmed, or you guys trying to convince her it couldn't?

I'm the craziest. But that doesn't negate my point. I don't think it's unreasonable to be concerned about the safety of animals.

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Friday, January 25, 2013 9:37 AM

Well, can we all agree that the notion is in very bad taste, at least ?

-F

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Friday, January 25, 2013 10:16 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Bad taste, unquestionably! And nothing wrong with being concerned about animals being hurt. What I find sad (and slightly amusing) is how determined you seem to be to come up with SOME reason the cats "could have" been hurt--to the extent that you are reeeely reaching, in my opinion. There's a difference. Concern is rational; your attempts to prove something which doesn't exist isn't. JMHO.

Check out the cats in the video. Does even ONE of them look particuarly perturbed? Are any of them flailing around like they're scared? Disgusted, yes; frightened, no. Cats put up with a lot of human insanity, and just don't give a f*ck. See photos at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/skydiving-cats-swedish-pet-in
surance_n_2129352.html#slide=1380817

I've had many fans; none could POSSIBLY injure a cat, or anything else that touched them. We know the video was a CGI fake, we know no cats were harmed, and even our own SPCA, I'm betting, wouldn't classify it as "animal abuse" or even "potential animal abuse". The "debate" has just gotten to the point where it's silly, is all.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Friday, January 25, 2013 11:16 AM

Interesting. My concerns are "silly." Perhaps I should purchase a fan with a protective grill, plug it in, turn it on, then deliberately fall on it.

I wonder what would happen.

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Friday, January 25, 2013 12:10 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Interesting. My concerns are "silly." Perhaps I should purchase a fan with a protective grill, plug it in, turn it on, then deliberately fall on it.

I wonder what would happen.

Unless you have cat sized appendages, not much. Other than mucking up a brand new fan.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, January 25, 2013 12:38 PM

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Unless you have cat sized appendages, not much. Other than mucking up a brand new fan.

Uh huh. Yeah, that's all that would happen, huh?

The fan blades can actually cut through the steel grill if the grill is deformed by, say, an impact. It can also cause the fan blades to become loose, even spin off the mount.

And I guess all the warnings about not putting fingers even near the grill of a fan while it's running are just for laughs.

Your concern for my well being and the well being of the cats is... touching. Truly.

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Friday, January 25, 2013 12:46 PM

America loves a winner!

Stay away from the fans!

The link you gave was to a story of a fan which had clearly been used, over and over, and suffered from some sort of fatigue.

*sigh*

Really, this thread has gone on too gorram long.

Empathy for non existent kitty dismemberment is now exhausted.

I'm out.

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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