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Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:51 AM

BYTEMITE


http://what-if.xkcd.com/21/

I have decided where I stand in terms of looser or stricter gun control.

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Tuesday, February 12, 2013 8:48 AM

BYTEMITE


I had no interest in owning any guns before reading this, because I prefer the martial arts to guns as a means of self-defense.

But, jetpack. "I need high volume guns and ammunition to be legal so I can buy them for my JETPACK." I am hovering because the recoil of hundreds of minor explosions per second propelling inch long chunks of metal into the ground is keeping me suspended in the air. This conversation is silly.

I suspect the use of such an argument in public would result in stares and then people deciding to just walk away. Such a thing of beauty that the concept of it dazzles the mind and bewilders the soul. Only with time can the elegance of the design be fully processed.

The voices of angels sing in a deafening roar, and I rise up and touch the face of creation.

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Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:03 PM

MAL4PREZ


If I were on the pro side of the we-must-have-unlimited guns-and-ammo debate, I'd surely use the xkcd jet pack as my main argument. It's brilliant.

However, there's always an alternative to guns: Peace. Love. Water.




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Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:06 PM

BYTEMITE


Guns for jetpacks, not killings?

Those water ones cost more than a good sized house.

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Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:22 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Guns for jetpacks, not killings?



Well, just watch what you're flying over...

Quote:

Those water ones cost more than a good sized house.

Hunh. So if sell my house and move to Florida, and I could own my own jetpack? Sweet!

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Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:54 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




In the Air Force the recurring tale was A10 Warthogs literally fall out of the sky if they fire their 30mm cannon too long at 4,200 rounds per minute. Which is why if only fires downhill at ground targets for a max of 5 seconds.
http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-rumor-doctor/the-rumor-doctor-1.10434
8/does-the-a-10-s-gun-slow-the-plane-when-fired-1.152557






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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

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Ed Mitchell certainly knows all about aliens. He speaks to them often.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1037471/Apollo-14-astro
naut-claims-aliens-HAVE-contact--covered-60-years.html


Quote:

"Our technology is not nearly as sophisticated and had they been hostile, otherwise we would be been gone by now. I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real. It's been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it's leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it. I've been in military and intelligence circles, who know that beneath the surface of what has been public knowledge, yes - we have been visited. Reading the papers recently, it's been happening quite a bit. This is really starting to open up. I think we're headed for real disclosure and some serious organisations are moving in that direction. There's not much question at all that there's life throughout the universe, we are not alone at all. I'm most assured about that. That's a Tv program saying we didn't go to the Moon. They're totally misguided. We did exactly what we said we did. I've got 300 to 400 videos people send me saying we never went to the Moon -- boxes and boxes of them. I'm not going to talk to you any more (refusing to address a single question). It's just sheer nonsense. You can talk till Hell freezes over, and you're wrong. I Edgar Mitchell affirm, under penalty of perjury, that I walked on the moon. I don't like to take oaths like that, because I don't accept the Bible as gospel to anything. We did go to the moon. You bet your sweet ass we did. Turn off the camera your interview is done! I don't say it's a pleasure (to meet you). Please get your ass out of my house! And you came here out of false pretenses, and I think you're an asshole! And if you continue this, I will personally take you to court! You're frankly not worth it! HAHAHAHAHA! (ripping up Bart Sibrell's business card) OUT! I don;t hit people but you're gonna be on the deck unless you GET THE HELL OUT OF MY HOUSE! (SEXUAL ASSAULT KNEE TO THE BUTTHOLE OF BART SIBREL) Do you want me to get a gun and shoot it at them before they get out of the office? Want to call the CIA and have them waxed?"
-Captain Ed Mitchell US Navy, 33rd-degree Luciferian Freemason, Apollo 14, first and only Apollo astronot to swear he walked on the moon in Astronots Gone Wild
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1037471/Apollo-14-astro
naut-claims-aliens-HAVE-contact--covered-60-years.html


















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Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:56 PM

JONGSSTRAW


In 1969 I was living in Valley Stream, NY which was only about 10 miles from JFK airport. One day while with friends we heard a strange loud noise and looked up at the sky. What we saw was unbelievable and unidentifiable. It was long and sleek and very futuristic. We ran into my house and turned on the radio and the tv to see if it had been seen by anyone else. We really thought we had seen a ufo. Then the news announced that the first Concorde SST had landed safely at JFK.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:58 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Guns!?, we no need no stinking guns!

Let's see, Machine Gun Jetpack, you mean like this........




Shiny!


SGG

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Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:05 PM

BYTEMITE


Kickass, that was a good movie. Unnecessarily hyper-violent, but I guess that was the point? Anyway there was some good dark comedy and an interesting theme and premise.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I'm a bit surprised that there's not been a movie where guns were used in that manner to initiate flight of some sort.

The water jet LOOKS cool, but you're limited as to where you can go.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, February 25, 2013 1:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


A machinegun jetpack really isn't economically feasible thought - and the weight of the bullets you'd have to carry would really cut down on any perceived usefulness.

Might as well try to make a spaceship powered by nuclear detonations.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, February 25, 2013 1:02 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, February 25, 2013 1:12 PM

BYTEMITE


As explained in the link, it kind of depends on the type of gun used. However, admittedly most of the guns that could generate a useful amount of recoil would probably not be feasible to privately own.

Quote:

Might as well try to make a spaceship powered by nuclear detonations.


Like this one.


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Monday, February 25, 2013 1:15 PM

BYTEMITE


I want a jetpack. Why can't I have a jetpack? Is it the responsibility issue? That a jetpack made out of machine guns would be awesome but extremely irresponsible and that suggesting the concept is both a sign of derangement and an indication I'm not ready for a jetpack and the world isn't ready for me?

I just thought of it again. Blasting around through the air, it's machine gun jetpack.

:D ----> tchktchkchnktchktcnk

You don't know how happy I am. There aren't words.

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Monday, February 25, 2013 2:00 PM

BYTEMITE


To put it another way:


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Monday, February 25, 2013 2:18 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Police used flying pontoon jets in Fahrenheit 451 to search for criminals. Seen in this clip at 1:48.



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Monday, February 25, 2013 2:51 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
As explained in the link, it kind of depends on the type of gun used. However, admittedly most of the guns that could generate a useful amount of recoil would probably not be feasible to privately own.



Okay, an AK47 with a 30-round clip can lift itself off the ground on recoil alone. But can it sustain that lift for longer than the 30 rounds? In other words, if you belt-fed the ammo through it to make it last longer than a few seconds, you could generate lift for longer periods of time - say, 6000 rounds or so per gun - but then you also have the weight of 6000 rounds of ammo per gun to lift along with it. It's like trying to take the lake along with your water jetpack.


Quote:


Quote:

Might as well try to make a spaceship powered by nuclear detonations.


Like this one.







Is Serenity propelled by nuclear detonations? Or by a fission or fusion reactor? There was some talk back in the Cold War era of using nuclear warheads in novel new ways, for things like powering spaceships. None of it got very far, but there were conversations about it. It even had a code name: Project Orion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)







"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, February 25, 2013 3:16 PM

TWO

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


A Flying Tank is real. It can be done! ( Actually, it is more accurately "Falling with Style." Special thanks to Joss Whedon and his Buzz Lightyear dialog work on Toy Story.) That particular model of Abrams tank can also be driven underwater without a snorkel for the engine -- think hybrid electric/diesel drive.

THE A-TEAM - TANK FLYING (Reel Physics)



The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, February 25, 2013 3:54 PM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Only had to read the first few lines and it is a no for me.

Jet pack, I would love but no guns of any sort.


Really? Cause the ONLY thing that would make a jet pack better is adding guns.

I always wanted one of those armored suits from the Starship Troopers book.

Man was decades ahead of his time with that book. Movie sucked.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Monday, February 25, 2013 5:13 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I admit, the first thing that came to mind combining guns and flight was this:


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Monday, February 25, 2013 5:37 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I admit, the first thing that came to mind combining guns and flight was this:




I have no problems with this.

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Monday, February 25, 2013 5:38 PM

BYTEMITE


Kwicko: Technically a fusion reactor, but that's technically a nuclear detonation.

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Monday, February 25, 2013 5:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I admit, the first thing that came to mind combining guns and flight was this:






I have no problems with this.




Landings can be a bit touchy, though.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, February 25, 2013 5:59 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


More nuclear-powered spacecraft proposals. Longshot and Daedalus were designed to be interstellar craft. Mini-Mag Orion is designed to get to Mars in 3 months, Jupiter in a year.

They all leave Voyager in the dust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Longshot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-Mag_Orion



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:41 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Kwicko: Technically a fusion reactor, but that's technically a nuclear detonation.




Thanks for clarifying - I tend to get mixed up on fusion/fission reactions.

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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:58 AM

BYTEMITE


Fission is caused by hitting large atoms with neutrons (as radioactive nuclear decay products). If you have enough fissile material able to fling enough neutrons at each other, you cause a chain reaction, leading to a tremendous release of energy and a shockwave.

Fusion is when you knock two smaller atoms together and cause them to "fuse", but you release a lot of energy in the process and often break off tiny subatomic bits of matter and anti-matter that then also collide and release energy and a shockwave.

Both are potential detonations depending on the situation and quantities.

When Serenity goes hard burn, it's supposed to be a controlled fusion reaction, and plasma from the fusion spills out the backside of the vessel. Serious amounts of energy are produced, and if I remember correctly, the whole reaction is isolated from the rest of the ship using thermal shielding and a vacuum environment as well as gravity and magnetic manipulation. It also produces a shockwave in atmosphere, though it seems that there's something else that prevents the ship from feeling a shockwave as well.

I think it theoretically meets the definition of a nuclear detonation even though it doesn't always seem to produce a shockwave and even though the shockwave defines a detonation in physics terms. It's basically a sustained fusion bomb engine with a lot of safety measures and failsafes.

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Friday, March 1, 2013 4:55 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Off topic: That's a great shot of Serenity!

SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
As explained in the link, it kind of depends on the type of gun used. However, admittedly most of the guns that could generate a useful amount of recoil would probably not be feasible to privately own.

Quote:

Might as well try to make a spaceship powered by nuclear detonations.


Like this one.



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Friday, March 1, 2013 4:59 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yeah, one of my favorites. I loved Nick Cage as Big Daddy and Chloe Moretz as Hit Girl (she stole that movie, period).

The ultraviolence was exactly the point, good pick up on the theme Byte.


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Kickass, that was a good movie. Unnecessarily hyper-violent, but I guess that was the point? Anyway there was some good dark comedy and an interesting theme and premise.


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Saturday, March 2, 2013 12:39 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yeah, one of my favorites. I loved Nick Cage as Big Daddy and Chloe Moretz as Hit Girl (she stole that movie, period).

The ultraviolence was exactly the point, good pick up on the theme Byte.


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Kickass, that was a good movie. Unnecessarily hyper-violent, but I guess that was the point? Anyway there was some good dark comedy and an interesting theme and premise.




And underneath the ultraviolence was a theme kind of about standing up to bullies and ordinary citizens trying to help each other. It kind of lost sight of that a little towards the end, but I still agree and appreciate the message at least.

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