" Psychotic " Individual here. by AURaptor

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I exist to be a counter to the complete and utter idiots who buy into the lies of the Left.

So your stated purpose is to be a complete and utter idiot who buys into the lies of the Right?

Tell us something we didn't already know.

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Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, February 18, 2013 4:54 PM

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I exist to be a counter to the complete and utter idiots who buy into the lies of the Left.

And there are many, many gullible morons.

Damn! I'm looking better and better all the time! Keep it up, Rap. What's that you were saying about Nazis being left wing? Say it again, please. My complexion gets more honey-cream pure and sweet with your every post, and my hair nears the quality of spun gold...

You do make RWED a funner place.

And funnier!

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Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, February 18, 2013 6:24 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I exist to be a counter to the complete and utter idiots who buy into the lies of the Left.

So your stated purpose is to be a complete and utter idiot who buys into the lies of the Right?

Tell us something we didn't already know.

Reading comprehension , not one of your strengths. Yeah, we already knew that about you.

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:51 AM

Auraptor,

I still hope you will address whether absolute monarchy would fit within your definition of big government and whether in that case you would still characterize it as a left-wing concept.

Thanks!

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:38 AM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Auraptor,

I still hope you will address whether absolute monarchy would fit within your definition of big government and whether in that case you would still characterize it as a left-wing concept.

Thanks!

It certainly seems it'd be oppressive, and counter to the rights of the individual. Right or Left would be a moot point. Why do you ask ?

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:14 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It certainly seems it'd be oppressive, and counter to the rights of the individual. Right or Left would be a moot point. Why do you ask ?

I ask because you explicitly said that all big-government concepts are left-wing.

To counter that, I presented this example, which I additionally consider to be very much NOT left-wing. In fact, it might be the original right-wing, going by the origins of the terms.

Would you thus concede that big government and authoritarian oppression can be found both in right and left wing extremes? Or at the very least not originate exclusively from left-wing thought?

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 6:31 AM

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The political game of - vote for me, and I'll give you( or your union, your state, home town, district, racial group, etc.. ) benefits and 'RIGHTS'- is a racket played by almost anyone, Left or Right. So yes, we can agree on that point.

But the larger issue, of what the State can and should do, for the good of the people, is what I'm talking about.

Our Constitution speaks of freedoms we have, FROM govt. Because, at the time, our founders were trying to escape the tyranny of an oppressive ,over bearing system. In contrast, our President speaks of things our govt MUST do for people, which is a complete 180 on the very ideals for which this country was founded.

But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf. - Barack Obama.

I'm sorry Barry, but there's a REASON for that, and it's bizarre that a Constitutional 'lecturer ' like yourself doesn't get it.

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 6:41 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

The political game of - vote for me, and I'll give you( or your union, your state, home town, district, racial group, etc.. ) benefits and 'RIGHTS'- is a racket played by almost anyone, Left or Right. So yes, we can agree on that point.

Thank you. I'm glad we have more common ground than it seemed at first.

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:18 AM

Ignoring the inane "point" of this thread, as well as the (highly entertaining) obliteration of said "point" by intelligent people....

This is easliy the most apt thread title rappy has ever composed. Unintentionally, granted, but still perfect.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:36 AM

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Storybook.. the " this PROVES how stupid Raptor is " song you keep singing, seems to be the only thing you have to offer anymore.

Can't deal w/ the facts, or the issue, so instead you revert back to mindless ad hominems and empty rhetoric.

*yawn*

If you can't run w/ the big dogs, stay on the porch.

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:38 AM

KPO

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

The political game of - vote for me, and I'll give you( or your union, your state, home town, district, racial group, etc.. ) benefits and 'RIGHTS'- is a racket played by almost anyone, Left or Right. So yes, we can agree on that point.

Thank you. I'm glad we have more common ground than it seemed at first.

He'll be back asserting that authoritarian/fascist governments are exclusively left-wing, within a month or two. Watch this space.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:

He'll be back asserting that authoritarian/fascist governments are exclusively left-wing, within a month or two. Watch this space.

Now you're just trying to recycle the thread we just had.

Why is that ?

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Storybook.. the " this PROVES how stupid Raptor is " song you keep singing, seems to be the only thing you have to offer anymore.

Anymore?

God DAMN son - Ive been telling you for years now (literally YEARS you dumb fuck) that I only come here to make fun of your dumb ass. How is it you keep forgetting, over and over?

Oh, right - you're a fucking idiot, with the memory of a gnat. My bad.

And you're making up a quote for me, after throwing a tantrum the other day about how you never, evah do that.... hilarious.

Keep it up, chump. As long as you spout this idiotic BS, Ill always have something to keep me entertained.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:20 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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Now you're just trying to recycle the thread we just had.

Why is that ?

I'm making a prediction, but don't worry your pretty little head about it.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:24 PM

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Did you not see the quote by Mussolini ?

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:01 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Yep, he's back

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:42 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
Yep, he's back

And he's adorable!

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:50 PM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It certainly seems it'd be oppressive, and counter to the rights of the individual. Right or Left would be a moot point. Why do you ask ?

I ask because you explicitly said that all big-government concepts are left-wing.

To counter that, I presented this example, which I additionally consider to be very much NOT left-wing. In fact, it might be the original right-wing, going by the origins of the terms.

Would you thus concede that big government and authoritarian oppression can be found both in right and left wing extremes? Or at the very least not originate exclusively from left-wing thought?

So Rappy insists that ALL "big government" comes exclusively from "the Left", and then admits that monarchies are right-wing, but then wants to play his usual "what difference does it make?" game.

Yeah, we've heard it all before, Rappy.

You try to deal in absolutes, and then when you're shown to be the idiot we all know you to truly be, you pretend you never cared about or meant any of it in the first place.

Same old song and dance. Learn some new steps.

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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

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Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:14 PM

1KIKI

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" Psychotic " Individual here.

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Originally posted by Storymark:

This is easliy the most apt thread title rappy has ever composed. Unintentionally, granted, but still perfect.

Now that you mention it ...

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Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:36 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

So Rappy insists that ALL "big government" comes exclusively from "the Left", and then admits that monarchies are right-wing, but then wants to play his usual "what difference does it make?" game.

No,I didn't.

Originally posted by AURaptor:

It certainly seems it'd be oppressive, and counter to the rights of the individual. Right or Left would be a moot point. Why do you ask ?

Larn how to read, moran.

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Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

So Rappy insists that ALL "big government" comes exclusively from "the Left", and then admits that monarchies are right-wing, but then wants to play his usual "what difference does it make?" game.

No,I didn't.

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Originally posted by Rappy:

But big govt is ALWAYS a left wing ideology, no matter what guise it takes.

Learn how to remember what you wrote, moron.

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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:13 PM

So, Im wondering, if big governemnt is strictly a product of the left..., how does the raptard reconcilethis notion with the massive expansion of Government that happened under Reagan and Dubya.

Surely he isn't so far gone as to insist that they were libruls, can he?

Does he pretend they didn't happen? probably. That's just his speed of stupid.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:59 PM

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Reagan, the greatest President this nation has seen in well over 100 years, defeated the Soviet Union, while reviving the US economy from the doldrums of Jimmy Carter's economic malaise.

W was a big govt Republican.

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Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:52 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Reagan, the greatest President this nation has seen in well over 100 years [bullshit], defeated the Soviet Union [no he didn't], while reviving the US economy from the doldrums of Jimmy Carter's economic malaise.

How did he "revive" the economy? By tripling the national debt and massively expanding the size of the government, that's how! He was the original big-government Republican.

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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Reagan, the greatest President this nation has seen in well over 100 years, defeated the Soviet Union, while reviving the US economy from the doldrums of Jimmy Carter's economic malaise.

Can we allow that that bit was a LOT more complex than you insinuate?

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Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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He'll be back asserting that authoritarian/fascist governments are exclusively left-wing, within a month or two. Watch this space.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!! How long do you give him? A month or two? I don't think he'll last that long. Maybe we should start a pool....

Oh, and the title? Saw the title, saw the poster, nearly choked on my coffee. What a hoot! So rappy outed hisself.

Say it loud, say it proud, son.

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Monday, March 4, 2013 5:13 AM

BYTEMITE

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No, they weren't. That's the great misconception that is pushed by , gee, I wonder who? But it's completely false.

The simplest explanation is: Nazis were both extreme left-wing and extreme right-wing, in a compartmentalized way.

On the extreme left-wing side, the reason why they identified themselves as socialist, they had social programs for members of the elite Nazi party run by an authoritarian government. They had health care, built roads, regulated businesses for the state, and there were various benefits for being a loyal Nazi.

All it took was riding on the back of declaring some people subhumans and forcing them into labour camps for fun and profit and a little murder. In return Germans pledged themselves for the greater improvement of the state - Collectivism above individuals, in other words.

But on the right-wing side, within the Nazi party was a form of social darwinism (the master race) and meritocracy, just short of condoning klingon promotion schemes (kill your boss and take his place). The Nazi system was all very individualistic and self-serving (apart from the government granted benefits), and Hitler's best buddies were corporate executives who got exclusive Nazi Germany contracts for building up Germany's war machine. He outlawed workers strikes because it hurt manufacturing. He believed in private enterprise and gave many public services over to private businesses, consolidating power into monopolies, all right-wing ideas, and balanced that by increasing state control, a left-wing idea.

He was militaristic, and thought the inability of the poor and the non-white Aryan types to succeed was a fault of some inherent problem, and thought the German people were divinely chosen to be the next Holy Roman Empire (The Indiana Jones movies had Hitler hunting down Christian artifacts because Hitler believed that would give his soldiers an edge in combat - that actually wasn't made up).

Hitler made a big deal about how his ideology spanned the bridge between fascism and socialism. But he tended to dislike any socialists who weren't also fascists like him.

So like I said - Nazis were both. That was basically the whole point for them, they thought they'd get a new system of government that worked better than anything else in the past. And it utterly failed in part because many of the ideas are really incompatible - an unholy matrimony of the worst of both worlds wrapped up in an abusive authoritarian wrapper.

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Monday, March 4, 2013 9:11 AM

BYTEMITE

Observe this fitting analogy. All shall become clear.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 4:37 AM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Reagan, the greatest President this nation has seen in well over 100 years, defeated the Soviet Union, while reviving the US economy from the doldrums of Jimmy Carter's economic malaise.

Can we allow that that bit was a LOT more complex than you insinuate?

No, not really. That accurately describes the conclusion of Reagan's view, to topple the Soviet Govt, and revive the US economy. Which both were accomplished.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 10:40 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And how much did he raise total government spending by the end of his term in office, again? And how high was the government debt at the end?

ENJOY YOUR NEXT FOUR YEARS!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - HERE'S LAUGHING AT YOU KID!

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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:06 AM

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" He " didn't do anything on his own. The Democrats, controlling the House, where spending bills originate, had more than a hand in how much $ was spent.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:22 AM

It was also the start of the complete consolidation of the nation's wealth at the top, and the destruction of the middle class.

But then, to those like rappy - everything that went right was Reagan, but nothing that went wrong is his fault.

Theyve made him their (senile) diety.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
It was also the start of the complete consolidation of the nation's wealth at the top, and the destruction of the middle class.

Empty, extreme, hard core Left wing rhetoric.

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But then, to those like rappy - everything that went right was Reagan, but nothing that went wrong is his fault.

History has proven Reagan right.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2013 1:43 PM