LOL, North Korea. by oldenglanddry

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North Korea has ordered its military to be ready to strike US bases in Guam, Hawaii and mainland America, according to state TV.

"The Korean People's Army top command declares that all artillery troops including strategic rocket units and long-range artillery units are to be placed under Class A combat readiness," the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said.

Class A - mega supreme high action alert!

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Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:38 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

So we're all in agreement that a nuclear-armed North Korea is still no real existential threat to the United States.

So tell me again why I'm supposed to be worried about a nuclear-armed Iran posing such a threat?

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Tuesday, March 26, 2013 6:11 PM

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Ignorance must be so blissful for you...

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Tuesday, March 26, 2013 6:19 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ignorance must be so blissful for you...

I'll have to rely on your experience for that. How's that search for Iraqi WMD going? Find anything yet?

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Tuesday, March 26, 2013 6:40 PM

HKCAVALIER

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How's that search for Iraqi WMD going? Find anything yet?

DEY ARRUDDYWASHFOUN', ASHWIBE! ITDON'MADDERHANYWUS, 'CUZDEYVIOWADED DA U.N. SANGJUNS, DUMASS!

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Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ignorance must be so blissful for you...

I'll have to rely on your experience for that. How's that search for Iraqi WMD going? Find anything yet?

Bless your heart. You're confused. See the topic thread ? It says NORTH KOREA, and you're still brain locked on Iraq.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2013 3:16 AM

Awwww, bless your little black heart - you can't discern when someone is using a parallel occurrence as a metaphor to make a point.

So sorry to hear you flunked out of third grade.

North Korea poses no existential threat to the United States. I really can't be more clear than that. You seem to want to hype up the fear and go hide under your bed and shit your pants about it, but there just isn't a realistic threat here.

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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:50 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Awwww, bless your little black heart - you can't discern when someone is using a parallel occurrence as a metaphor to make a point.

A standard rappy tactic. Its okay for him to reference other conversations in a thread - but no one else is allowed to.

Like the other day, you ask where he got his definition of marriage, he brings up Benghazi and then runs away.

You make draw a parallel between nations, and he bitches.

We've discussed that he must be a trust-fund baby because he doesn't work - I'm beginning to think he's actually not intelligent enough to hold a job.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:26 AM

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So we're all in agreement that a nuclear-armed North Korea is still no real existential threat to the United States.

I disagree with your premise. North Korea poses a direct threat to the United States regardless of its ability to deploy nuclear weapons against targets on the American mainland.

It is unlikely that North Korea would win a war against the United States, but they possess sufficient power to cause extensive damage and massive casualties to South Korean and Japan. This would likely result in massive casualities in a region that is home to tens of thousands of US servicemen and their families and signifigant damage to two of the United States's largest trading partners.

Given that North Korea has been preparing for decades to wage an unconventional war, it is possible that there could be direct military strikes on US soil by special forces. North Korea has some of the best trained special forces in the world and they have a LOT of them. Most will be used against South Korea, but a smart North Korean general might just figure out that a special forces unit attacking civilian targets in Alaska or Washington State might have more of an impact on America then just attacking an airfield or port in South Korea (a he might note that he's already got more then enough guys to hit the Southies, why not use them somewhere else).

Oh, and how hard would it be to stick a nuclear bomb onto a cargo ship or sub and sail to Hawaii, Anchorage, or Seattle? Me, I'd go cargo ship...maybe one from a neutral South American country...like Chile. Nobody suspects Chile...

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So tell me again why I'm supposed to be worried about a nuclear-armed Iran posing such a threat?

A nuclear armed Iran could threaten Isreal and American economic interests in the Gulf. I don't know if you've looked at a map, but we get a lot of oil from countries like Quatar, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, and Kuwait and if you noticed they're not that big. A handful of nuclear bombs...four, maybe five and employed in the right spots could bring the world to its knees in a single afternoon.

I just spent another three paragraphs outlining a dozen attacks that would be inexpensive in manpower and money that could emotionally cripple this country without ever threatening a hardened target. I erased them because they were too good and I became concerned. I've always said the terrorists overthink their plans...even 9/11 only worked because it all came together perfectly. They had fifteen guys, imagine what you could do with fifteen guys, no rules, and a real understanding of this country and you'll see my point. The biggest threat is not terrorists hitting New York or Washington...its when they realize they don't have to hit New York or Washington. After all...look what one crazy guy with a gun can do at an elementary school.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2013 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Awwww, bless your little black heart - you can't discern when someone is using a parallel occurrence as a metaphor to make a point.

It's all you ever fracking do ! Only your 'parallel occurrences ' are anything but.

ROFLMAO!

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So sorry to hear you flunked out of third grade.

Oh really? You really did hear that ? Tell us, from who ? That's funny.

Only it never happened. Mrs Johnson was one of my fav teachers.

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North Korea poses no existential threat to the United States. I really can't be more clear than that. You seem to want to hype up the fear and go hide under your bed and shit your pants about it, but there just isn't a realistic threat here.

Who here said they did ? Not I. Who's hyping anything ? I didn't start this thread, you pea brained wanker. I only had some fun w/ it, pointing out the absurdity of them going to " Class A " threat level, or what ever label they want to give it.

I find it hi-larious.

You, on the other hand, not so funny. Pathetic would be more accurate.

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 3:18 AM

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:50 AM

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Kwicko wrote:

So we're all in agreement that a nuclear-armed North Korea is still no real existential threat to the United States.

Rappy responds with:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Ignorance must be so blissful for you...

Kwicko further reiterated:

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North Korea poses no existential threat to the United States. I really can't be more clear than that. You seem to want to hype up the fear and go hide under your bed and shit your pants about it, but there just isn't a realistic threat here.

At which point Rappy seems to reverse course:

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Who here said they did ? Not I. Who's hyping anything ? I didn't start this thread, you pea brained wanker. I only had some fun w/ it, pointing out the absurdity of them going to " Class A " threat level, or what ever label they want to give it.

Now he wants to bump the thread, seemingly to gather more traffic, more people to witness his ignorance on full display.

If you agree that North Korea poses no serious threat to the U.S., then why do you call it "ignorance" when I point that out? You clearly agree with my assessment; is it just because *I* was the one saying it that you felt the need to reflexively disagree?

Remember how much you hate it when people do that? Ummm, yeahhhhhhh...

And if, as you later claim, you are just "only [having] some fun w/ it," then is that your tacit admission that you have nothing of substance to offer on the subject?

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 7:10 AM

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... isn't it just kind of sad and boring how so many of these guys use the same boom and bluster as part of their outward facing foreign policy?

Are you referring to North Korea, or the U.S.? Or both?

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 7:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Oh damn, Mike, you beat me to it!

As to Rap's consistent idiocy,

"Same old, same old" gets too boring to bother...beyond

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 7:58 AM

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That a nuclear armed NK " may " not pose any direct threat to the US mainland does not mean it bodes well for that part of the globe, OR for our interests and allies in the region.

Not that hard to comprehend.

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:10 AM

So your excuse now is that you were merely pointing out my blissful ignorance by responding to something I never mentioned?

Well, in that case, you are SOOOOOOOO ignorant when it comes to climate change, as your post about North Korea clearly illustrates.

(Hey, that's as valid as anything you've said here.)

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:13 AM

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That a nuclear armed NK " may " not pose any direct threat to the US mainland does not mean it bodes well for that part of the globe, OR for our interests and allies in the region.

Not that hard to comprehend.

I reiterate *again*...

"So we're all in agreement that a nuclear-armed North Korea is still no real existential threat to the United States."

Can you please point out to us all where I claimed that it "may" bode well for that part of the globe OR for our interests and allies in the region?

Again, you keep responding to what I didn't say, and refusing to address what I actually said.

I'll hang up and listen. ;)

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:03 AM

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Can you please point out to us all where I claimed that it "may" bode well for that part of the globe OR for our interests and allies in the region?

Per usual, you keep asking me about things for which I never claimed you said in the first place. Those were MY words, in reference to your short sighted view.

Your initial point, as I read it, was that 'since NK poses no real threat to the U.S., then, there's no real story here. Nothing to worry about.' By ONLY remarking that there's no threat to the U.S., should we let NK just continue on its merry, and think nothing of it ? OR, might we think of the consequences of a nuclear NK , lead by the Kim Jong Un, and how it may impact the region ?

I guess that's my point.

Seems to me you're just itchin' to fabricate yet another fight with which to engage me in, for no real reason, what so ever.

PS - Oh, and the claim by NK that it could take the USA down, militarily, in a 3 day war, no less, kinda makes it relevant to us, doesn't it ?

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

What went wrong there, Mike, is that Hero posted about possible difficulties a nuclear N.K. could pose to the region. Rap started OUT snarking at the threat, but then Hero gave him fodder to get all huffy and take the other side, so he could snark at YOU for snarking about N.K. like he did in the beginning. You have to pay attention, y'see, to watch his mind at work.

...if you give a shit, of course, which I don't, I just sat here laughing at his turnaround. And he takes NK's "three days" seriously, which is even funnier...

Then there's Hero: "It is unlikely that North Korea would win a war against the United States". ...there simply are no words...

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:08 AM

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What went wrong there, Mike, is that Hero posted about possible difficulties a nuclear N.K. could pose to the region. Rap started OUT snarking at the threat, but then Hero gave him fodder to get all huffy and take the other side, so he could snark at YOU for snarking about N.K. like he did in the beginning. You have to pay attention, y'see, to watch his mind at work.

One small problem Niki, that's not what happened at all.

Go back and re-read the thread.

I FIRST snarked at the alert status, , and not the nuke threat. THEN Kwickie made his short sighted " can we all agree " remark about NK w / regards to the USA, to which I replied about ignorance being blissful for Kwickie.

My remarks were independent to anything Hero posted.

Maybe if you bothered to READ what I said, instead of trying to project my views into YOUR false preconceptions, there'd be less bickeing and more understanding. Not saying we' agree more, but we'd at least understand more.

Not that you give a shit, or anything.

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:13 AM

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Can you please point out to us all where I claimed that it "may" bode well for that part of the globe OR for our interests and allies in the region?

Per usual, you keep asking me about things for which I never claimed you said in the first place. Those were MY words, in reference to your short sighted view.

Your initial point, as I read it, was that 'since NK poses no real threat to the U.S., then, there's no real story here. Nothing to worry about.' By ONLY remarking that there's no threat to the U.S., should we let NK just continue on its merry, and think nothing of it ? OR, might we think of the consequences of a nuclear NK , lead by the Kim Jong Un, and how it may impact the region ?

I guess that's my point.

Do you guess, or do you KNOW? If you aren't even sure what your own point is, don't go guessing at mine. You call my view "short sighted", and base that on... what, exactly? Did I say something that is untrue? If so, show me. If not, quit trying to pick a fight over what you THINK I said, or what you THINK I *might* have meant, or what you believe I said "as you read it". If you have a hard time understanding exactly what I said, ask; don't guess, don't assume. Ask.

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Seems to me you're just itchin' to fabricate yet another fight with which to engage me in, for no real reason, what so ever.

Yeah, I came traipsing into your thread and called you ignorant because you posted something that I agreed with. Right?

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PS - Oh, and the claim by NK that it could take the USA down, militarily, in a 3 day war, no less, kinda makes it relevant to us, doesn't it ?

Yeah, and I've heard that claim before, from Iraq, from Iran, from *US* regarding both those places... And again, I find it to be every bit as imminent and grave a threat coming from North Korea as I did when it came from Iran or Iraq. Less, actually, since North Korea really has no means of carrying out an offensive war against the United States. If they launched every nuclear weapon they have at, say, Nevada, that would result in Nevada being hit with about one-twentieth of what we ourselves have hit it with over the years.

Given what we know about their delivery systems, I'm not confident they could even target an area as big as Nevada, much less narrow it down to a specific city or military base.

So no, I still don't consider North Korea a realistic threat to us. Clearly you are more concerned about their "Class A" alert status than you let on; maybe you'd like us to go to DefCon Three, or some other super-secret ridiculous status, like orangey-red.

"...should we let NK just continue on its merry, and think nothing of it ? OR, might we think of the consequences of a nuclear NK , lead by the Kim Jong Un, and how it may impact the region ?"

Are those our only two options? You're showing distinct signs of constricted, inside-the-box thinking again. Should we let them continue on their merry? Sure, within bounds and reason; we have strong sanctions against North Korea at the moment, and the UN have authorized stronger sanctions against them. I know you hate the UN, but the wider world does have a say in some of this. U.S. sanctions alone, for instance, haven't really done much harm to many of the places they are in place against (Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, for instance); to make an impact, we need cooperation from places that might otherwise just ignore our sanctions and use them as an opportunity to strengthen their own ties with North Korea (China, Iran, Russia, for instance).

*Might* we think of the consequences of a nuclear North Korea? Well, they've been nuclear since the Bush years, so I'd say any time we think of North Korea at all, it's as a nuclear North Korea.

Is Kim Jong Un this week's bogeyman? I always heard the last guy was just plain cray-cray, and might go off at any second, but I heard that about his dad, too, and about his dad's predecessor as well. When you keep holding up someone as being a crazed despot, that description starts to lose all meaning when they don't behave as you expect them to.

Or are you trying to warn me that the smoking gun is going to be a mushroom cloud? Because I've heard that one too many times to take seriously, too. It wasn't true then, and it's not any more true now.

So no, I don't lose any sleep over a nuclear North Korea with "the Kim Jong Un" as its leader.

It seems you definitely are losing sleep over it, though. But that's only because the Right-Wing Fear Machine™ has told you to.

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Maybe if you bothered to READ what I said, instead of trying to project my views into YOUR false preconceptions, there'd be less bickeing and more understanding. Not saying we' agree more, but we'd at least understand more.

[/gigglesnort] ^ What he said. Try READING what I said, Rappy, and not projecting your views into your FALSE preconceptions.

It really is funny, because we agreed on North Korea until you started responding to the voices in your head rather than the things I actually posed.

You should probably see to that.

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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:17 AM

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Then there's Hero: "It is unlikely that North Korea would win a war against the United States". ...there simply are no words...

That might be the first true thing "Hero" has posted in months. It is unlikely that North Korea would win a war against us. It is also highly unlikely that either side would win such a war in three days. We laugh at them for saying it, but we make the same kinds of stupid statements ourselves pretty regularly.

If you aren't prepared to spend ten years and three to four trillion dollars on a war with North Korea, then don't start one. You have far more to lose than they do, I guarantee it.

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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:32 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

"we make the same kinds of stupid statements ourselves pretty regularly."

We DO? I mean, our government DOES? That's pretty stupid, I'm glad I've managed to miss that one! I remember the "bomb them back to the stone ages", but unfortunately, we came pretty close to doing just that, but the rest...must have been a McCain candidacy speech or something (like "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"...), 'cuz I sure don't recall hearing any SENSIBLE politician or government figure saying we could do it in three days.

Well, there was Bush, Cheney, Rummy, etc., and our bloody politicians BOUGHT it (or were blackmailed into it, in some cases), but we've been through that one...

Tho' let's not forget our own Congresswoman, Barbara Boxer, AND California Senator Lynn Woolsey, both voted AGAINST the Iraq War. That's two out of three of my representatives, and I'm grateful.

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:43 AM

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Yeah, I came traipsing into your thread and called you ignorant because you posted something that I agreed with. Right?

Whose thread ?

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Given what we know about their delivery systems, I'm not confident they could even target an area as big as Nevada, much less narrow it down to a specific city or military base.

What DO we know, exactly, about their delivery system? Whose intel are we relying on for this ? Because our intel gathering was bad for Iraq, but now it's suddenly all up to speed and accurate ?

Huh.

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So no, I still don't consider North Korea a realistic threat to us

So, that's what it comes down to, " US ", huh? You keep focusing in on that specific issue. And if NK is a threat to Japan ? S. Korea ? Australia ? Anyone ? No one ? Are we caring about this ?

That's my question.

From your tone, it appears to me that you're some what of an isolationist. Accurate or no ?

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It really is funny, because we agreed on North Korea ...

Care to show me exactly where in this thread ? I don't recall flatly stating that NK is NO threat to the U.S. If they can't hit the US mainland, but still cause trouble for us in that area of the Pacific, is that still not a threat to our interests, if not us directly ?

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until you started responding to the voices in your head rather than the things I actually posed.

Well, first I responded to OldEngland's post, and then yours, and then Niki's... so no. Not so much for any ' voices ', but the words on the screen.

Might be those voices you speak of are in YOUR head ?

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:17 PM

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Yeah, I came traipsing into your thread and called you ignorant because you posted something that I agreed with. Right?

Whose thread ?

Specifically, OE's thread. This thread. You, posting to me about ignorance in this thread. Do try to keep up.

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Given what we know about their delivery systems, I'm not confident they could even target an area as big as Nevada, much less narrow it down to a specific city or military base.

What DO we know, exactly, about their delivery system? Whose intel are we relying on for this ? Because our intel gathering was bad for Iraq, but now it's suddenly all up to speed and accurate ?

What do we know? That in observed actual real-world tests, they haven't worked, at all. I have this funny tendency to give more credence to things we can actually observe than to things we're told by people with an eye on selling us an agenda. We've watched North Korea launch missiles, and watched them fail to do much of anything. We've also observed their nuclear detonations, and observed that they have a marked tendency to fizzle rather than go "BOOM!"

I tend not to pay a lot of heed to our intel services, because they have a bad habit of missing the big stuff, focusing on the little stuff, and getting most everything very badly wrong.

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So no, I still don't consider North Korea a realistic threat to us

So, that's what it comes down to, " US ", huh? You keep focusing in on that specific issue. And if NK is a threat to Japan ? S. Korea ? Australia ? Anyone ? No one ? Are we caring about this ?

That's my question.

And the operative word is "if". *IF* North Korea is a threat... Nobody has established that North Korea is a threat. *IF* Saddam had active WMD programs... *IF* Saddam had nuclear weapons... *IF* can make quite a world of difference, can't it?

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From your tone, it appears to me that you're some what of an isolationist. Accurate or no ?

"Somewhat". There are things we should be concerned with, and things we shouldn't. And every single thing we concern ourselves with costs us money. If we can't afford education and healthcare for our own citizens, I'm fair certain we can't afford to act as the military protector for the rest of the world's people.

They can take care of themselves, right? If you're willing to let Americans fend for themselves, why not Japanese, or Koreans, or Australians?

Before we go trampling someone else's garden, we should tend to our own.

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It really is funny, because we agreed on North Korea ...

Care to show me exactly where in this thread ? I don't recall flatly stating that NK is NO threat to the U.S. If they can't hit the US mainland, but still cause trouble for us in that area of the Pacific, is that still not a threat to our interests, if not us directly ?

I don't recall flatly stating that North Korea is *NO* threat to the U.S., either. Again, you're responding to things not said, and inventing things to argue about.

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until you started responding to the voices in your head rather than the things I actually posed.

Well, first I responded to OldEngland's post, and then yours, and then Niki's... so no. Not so much for any ' voices ', but the words on the screen.

As we've already seen, when it comes to responding to me, you're NOT responding to "the words on the screen", but rather what you thought I meant, as you said, "as I read it". You said it SEEMED like I was saying this or that, that you read it that way, so clearly you were not responding to the words on the screen; you were responding to the words that were very specifically NOT on the screen. And if they're not on the screen, and if I haven't said them, then you must have pulled them out of somewhere. Maybe I was wrong in thinking you pulled them out of your head; they may have come from your ass, which while not your head, is still head-adjacent, since your head is up your ass about 99% of the time you're here.

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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:29 PM

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"we make the same kinds of stupid statements ourselves pretty regularly."

We DO? I mean, our government DOES?

Oh hell yeah, our government does! How can you forget gems like these?

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." –Rumsfeld on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

"Five days or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last longer." - Rumsfeld on how long the Iraq War would last.

"... something under $50 billion for the cost. How much of that would be the U.S. burden, and how much would be other countries, is an open question.” - Rummy on the cost of the Iraq War.

"Liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk." - Ken Adelman, member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.

"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. . . . I think it will go relatively quickly, . . . [in] weeks rather than months." - Dick Cheney, Vice President of the U.S.

"My fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended." Under the banner "Mission Accomplished." - Dubya Bush, May 1, 2003.

"Two days ahead of schedule, the world witnessed the arrival of a free and sovereign Iraq." - Dick Cheney, 2004.

Shall I continue? Our government routinely makes the same kinds of overblown, over-ambitious, overly optimistic predictions, and is routinely wrong about them. It's like clockwork; you can count on it.

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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:39 PM

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Specifically, OE's thread

So, not MY thread, but OE's. Glad you finally figured that one out. It was a bit tricky, huh?

LOL

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What do we know? That in observed actual real-world tests, they haven't worked, at all

It's what we've SEEN, yes. But as was the case with our own rockets, we learn, even while making mistakes. Maybe they can, or not. Evidence of past failures isn't proof they'll always fail.

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And the operative word is "if". *IF* North Korea is a threat... Nobody has established that North Korea is a threat. *IF* Saddam had active WMD programs... *IF* Saddam had nuclear weapons... *IF* can make quite a world of difference, can't it?

NK certainly is threatening, whether or not it actually IS a threat.

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I don't recall flatly stating that North Korea is *NO* threat to the U.S., either. Again, you're responding to things not said, and inventing things to argue about.

I didn't say you did. I asked where we agreed , as shown in this thread, as you claimed.

Didn't see you even TRY to answer that one.

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As we've already seen, when it comes to responding to me, you're NOT responding to "the words on the screen", but rather what you thought I meant,..

Actually, I DID respond to your rather naive and ignorant statement, directly.

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as you said, "as I read it". You said it SEEMED like I was saying this or that, that you read it that way, so clearly you were not responding to the words on the screen; you were responding to the words that were very specifically NOT on the screen.

I at least gave you the courtesy of some wiggle room, as your comments were a bit incomplete. Asking if we can agree that NK is not a threat to the U.S.A. , and then just leaving the matter to rest on that sole issue, doesn't address the matter at hand. As I've stated before, they could hurt our interests, while not landing 1 nuke on US soil.

But that's not even an idea that you seem to even want to entertain, is it ? Your simplistic

" Is NK at direct threat - Y ? N ? " now, let's move on

... attitude is to what I was referring.

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 1:51 PM

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As I've stated before, they could hurt our interests, while not landing 1 nuke on US soil.

That's true of quite a few countries, isn't it?

Israel has hurt out interests several times without ever using nukes.

In fact, no country in history has ever hurt our interests by using nukes, except us.

Pakistan has hurt our interests in the past - should we be mobilizing for war with Pakistan?

Ditto Saudi Arabia, Cuba, Mexico, Japan, China, etc., etc.

Still not seeing any existential threat to the U.S. here.

Call me if that changes, m'kay?

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 1:57 PM

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That's true of quite a few countries, isn't it?

Not the point of the thread, now is it ?

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Israel has hurt out interests several times without ever using nukes.

What the hell does Israel have to do with anything ? North Korea ? Hello ?

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In fact, no country in history has ever hurt our interests by using nukes, except us.

We didn't hurt our interests, in the least. We ended a bloody and costly war. Ended it by WINNING.

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Pakistan has hurt our interests in the past - should we be mobilizing for war with Pakistan?

Not the issue here.

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Ditto Saudi Arabia, Cuba, Mexico, Japan, China, etc., etc.

I see you're having a really hard time w/ this topic. Might be best if you took a deep breath, and stepped away for a bit.

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Still not seeing any existential threat to the U.S. here.

Call me if that changes, m'kay?

Like that'd do any good ?

LOL!

Seriously, you're like a passenger on the Titanic who'd not want to be bothered until his cabin was half full of water. And THEN you'd demand to be first off the ship, and then not allow anyone else on YOUR life boat.

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 2:06 PM

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What the hell does Israel have to do with anything ? North Korea ? Hello ?

How is it that your brain is so utterly incapable of understanding refrences?

You refrence other threads when you post all the time.... then get confused when others do it?

We all know you're stupid and dishonest, but sometimes I feel like we should call an ambulance, so you can be checked for a stroke.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 2:17 PM

He really is incapable of understanding broader concepts, it seems.

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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 3:07 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What the hell does Israel have to do with anything ? North Korea ? Hello ?

How is it that your brain is so utterly incapable of understanding refrences?

By first ignoring the issue and then using irrelevant , disconnected 'references ' to make what ever point, is dodging the issue.

Wanna deal w/ the issue ? Deal w/ the issue.

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You refrence other threads when you post all the time.... then get confused when others do it?

But I don't. I deal w/ the issues first, and then support my views with said references, should there be a need.

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We all know you're stupid and dishonest,

Well, that's funny. It's completely false, and purely your PERSONAL opinion, not supported by anything close to objective fact.

And while I never claimed to be a member of Mensa, you sure as hell can't accurately describe me as being dishonest. You not agreeing w/ me doesn't make me a liar.

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but sometimes I feel like we should call an ambulance, so you can be checked for a stroke.

Go ahead. Call an ambulance. Where you gonna tell them to go ?

Idiot.

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 3:29 PM

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Posted by Rappy:

Well, that's funny. It's completely false, and purely your PERSONAL opinion, not supported by anything close to objective fact.

If it's good enough for you to base your entire definition of marriage on...

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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 3:37 PM

HERO

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Then there's Hero: "It is unlikely that North Korea would win a war against the United States". ...there simply are no words...

North Korea has one of the largest, best trained armies in the world, fifty years to plan, is not bound by the rules of war or convention, and can strike at the time and, with proper planning, the place of its choosing.

There is a path to victory for them. The unthinkable does not mean the impossible.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 3:48 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Posted by Rappy:

Well, that's funny. It's completely false, and purely your PERSONAL opinion, not supported by anything close to objective fact.

If it's good enough for you to base your entire definition of marriage on...

And yet 1 more completely false, disconnected and irrelevant reference by Kwickie, on that which as zero to do with ANYTHING.

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 3:49 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Then there's Hero: "It is unlikely that North Korea would win a war against the United States". ...there simply are no words...

North Korea has one of the largest, best trained armies in the world, fifty years to plan, is not bound by the rules of war or convention, and can strike at the time and, with proper planning, the place of its choosing.

There is a path to victory for them. The unthinkable does not mean the impossible.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

There you go again Hero. Staying on topic and messing things up.

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Friday, March 29, 2013 1:50 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Then there's Hero: "It is unlikely that North Korea would win a war against the United States". ...there simply are no words...

North Korea has one of the largest, best trained armies in the world, fifty years to plan, is not bound by the rules of war or convention, and can strike at the time and, with proper planning, the place of its choosing.

There is a path to victory for them. The unthinkable does not mean the impossible.

I heard all this in the run-up to the Iraq War, too. Remember those vaunted Republican Guards and how bad-ass they were supposed to be?

Except they weren't...

Remember how Saddam had one of the largest armies in the world?

Except is was a bunch of conscripts who had no interest in fighting...

So, yeah... still not seeing the big bad bogeyman you're cowering from.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Friday, March 29, 2013 1:52 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Posted by Rappy:

Well, that's funny. It's completely false, and purely your PERSONAL opinion, not supported by anything close to objective fact.

If it's good enough for you to base your entire definition of marriage on...

And yet 1 more completely false, disconnected and irrelevant reference by Kwickie, on that which as zero to do with ANYTHING.

You keep saying "completely false". I do not think it means what you think it means.

I understand that you cannot keep up with more than one thought at a time. I'll try to dumb it down for you and treat you like a three year-old from now on, in the hopes that maybe you'll be able to follow along.

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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

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Friday, March 29, 2013 1:55 AM

Oh noes! Now they're coming after little old moi! Everybody scatter! Whatever shall we do?!

Am I supposed to run and hide under my bed now, Rappy? Should I be stocking my doomsday shelter and buying up more guns with which to shoot the bad old missiles?

I find myself oddly unterrified by this "news". And besides, if it gets rid of Rick Perry and the Texas Legislature, it will have been a small price to pay. [/sarcasm]

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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

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Friday, March 29, 2013 2:41 AM

I saw that, and have been laughing most of the morning already on facebook about it. Austin seems to be just going about its business today. Nobody seems to be panicking here, but I'm sure Rick Perry will give a rousing speech - if he can remember three things he wants to say, that is - and try to get everybody all in a lather about it. Maybe he'll threaten to secede some more; that's always fun, when your governor reminds the rest of the country why your state is 49th in the nation in education. :/

Here's Rick Perry's anti-missile defense:

YEEEEEEEEE-Haw, y'all!

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Friday, March 29, 2013 5:30 AM

America loves a winner!

Maybe Kim jong Un is a Sooners fan?

*Edit* - Funny thing. After posting the 'Sooners' remark, I heard Rush wonder why Austin too, and then he came to the same conclusion. Heh. GMTA, it would seem.

But he then went on to explain that Samsung has a big operation in Austin, and as a S. Korea company doing pretty darn well, it has to tick little Un off greatly. So Austin gets the bulls eye, thanks in large part to Samsung.

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Friday, March 29, 2013 9:26 AM

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(just missed your post on same...)

Circle the food trucks!

I think in retaliation, at lunch today I'm going to aim a burrito at NK.

Fire one o' them FreeBirds burritos my way! :D

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Friday, March 29, 2013 9:27 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Maybe Kim jong Un is a Sooners fan?

*Edit* - Funny thing. After posting the 'Sooners' remark, I heard Rush wonder why Austin too, and then he came to the same conclusion. Heh. GMTA, it would seem.

But he then went on to explain that Samsung has a big operation in Austin, and as a S. Korea company doing pretty darn well, it has to tick little Un off greatly. So Austin gets the bulls eye, thanks in large part to Samsung.

No need to target Austin because of UT's football program; Mack Brown's doing a fine job of nuking it already!

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Friday, March 29, 2013 10:21 AM

America loves a winner!

You could poke an eye out with one of those things!

Or at least, make it sting for a good 15-20 minutes and make it all red and puffy!

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Friday, March 29, 2013 12:41 PM

Austin has embraced its impending doom.

http://unaustin.tumblr.com/

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Friday, March 29, 2013 12:53 PM

MAL4PREZ

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Maybe Kim jong Un is a Sooners fan?

Well, you know why Texas doesn't split off from the mainland and go floating off into the Gulf, right?

Wait for it...

Because Oklahoma SUCKS!

(Grew up with Husker fans.)

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Friday, March 29, 2013 2:23 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What the hell does Israel have to do with anything ? North Korea ? Hello ?

How is it that your brain is so utterly incapable of understanding refrences?

By first ignoring the issue and then using irrelevant , disconnected 'references ' to make what ever point, is dodging the issue.

Wanna deal w/ the issue ? Deal w/ the issue.

Says the guy who brings up Benghazi in a thread about marriage to dodge a question....

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

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