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Originally posted by Niki2:
Jezus Criste--Wulf put up an ANTI-GANG SWEEP in Oakland as somehow related to "what we should be doing" about terrorism??? Is he INSANE???

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Give us a break Niki,

Noone believes you. You claim to have "met a vet" at an OCCUPY rally.

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Well, you don't have to be Muslim to be angry about slaughtering up to a million people. Add in the close identification with the victims and he went over the edge.

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As far as the mother is concerned, she is obviously not a jihadist, just very very angry at the United States for the death of her son.

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You want everyone to rely on somebody else, like you do.

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One of my best friends is a veteran. I learned to drink and shoot from Marine vets.

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Give us a break Niki,

Noone believes you. You claim to have "met a vet" at an OCCUPY rally.

Wow.

My friends are vets. I've worked with vets. My wife gets vets jobs as a recruiter. My grandfather was a veteran, her father was a veteran. One of my best friends is a veteran. I learned to drink and shoot from Marine vets.

You? You MIGHT have met some veteran at a modern day hippie fest.

YOUR opinion is INVALID.

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
So, an army of cops are A-ok... so long as its happening where you are not.

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You make me sick.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:



But what better way to protest the killing of others than with more killings ! Alluha Akbar, indeed!

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
So, an army of cops are A-ok... so long as its happening where you are not.

You make me sick.

You want everyone to rely on somebody else, like you do.

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Why did we invade Iraq, exactly?

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Was American a Muslim nation under Dubya Bush, or was it all just a crusade?

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Why did we invade Iraq, exactly?
And what was our purpose in invading Afghanistan?
Protesting killing with more killing pretty much sums it up.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Why did we invade Iraq, exactly?

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Non compliance of UN Resolutions.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Kwicko, should I reply to this idiot?

Naaahhh....

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

So you invaded Iraq in definance of the UN Security Council because Iraq had defied the UN Resolutions. Does that mean somebody should invade you?

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These nuts still get worked up over shit that took place like 700 years ago. If they can't remember a reason to blow up innocents, they'll make one up.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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These nuts still get worked up over shit that took place like 700 years ago. If they can't remember a reason to blow up innocents, they'll make one up.

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As will you, sweetie. (nonexistant) WMD comes to mind.

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Tell that to the Kurds.

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You're wrong on about 80%, but that's an improvement for you.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
NIKI- Thanks for the article. I think whatever it was, was personal. Tamerlan said "I don't have a single American friend. I don't understand them,". That expresses a deep alienation from all of the people around him.

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Iraq under Saddam supported international terrorist organizations to bolster Iraq's revolutionary credentials, ensure his own role as Great Arab leader, and intimidate rival governments.

In examining the history, methods, and patterns of behavior of Saddam Husayn in supporting international terrorism, some "truths" stand out. Beginning in the early 1970s, Saddam provided safe haven, training, arms, and other forms of assistance to Palestinian and Arab extremists. Baghdad hosted the Abu Nidal Organization (ANO), the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), and the Hawari faction of the PLO. In addition, Baghdad created the Arab Liberation Front (ALF) as its personal surrogate in the wars against Israel. Although the ALF conducted no terrorist operations, Saddam used it in the 1970s and resurrected it again in the current Palestinian intifada as a means to recruit Palestinians and, in 2001, to win praise for offering $25,000 to the family of each Palestinian "martyred" in an Israeli attack. Some examples of Iraqi support include:

Abu Nidal. While enjoying safe haven in Iraq, the ANO conducted a number of terrorist attacks on Jewish and Israel targets in the 1970s and 1980s, including murders at synagogues and attacks on El Al airline passengers in Turkey, Austria, Belgium, and Italy, and the hijacking of a Pan Am airliner (Pan Am 73) in Karachi, in which 22 people (2 Americans) were murdered. ANO also attacked PLO representatives in Europe, murdered Jordanian diplomats, and attempted to assassinate Israel's ambassador in London. (This attack became the cause celebre for Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982.) When ANO leader Sabri al-Banna refused to conduct operations against the Syrian regime ordered by Iraq, he was cast out of the country, only to later be allowed back. He died in August 2002 in Baghdad from 4 gunshot wounds to the head, a suicide according to Iraqi security officials. I assume Saddam had decided to remove evidence of his links to one of the most notorious of international terrorists at a time when the United States was increasing pressure on him to reveal his WMD programs and was accusing him of sponsoring al-Qaida.

Abu Abbas. Palestinian terrorist Mahmud Abbas, known as Abu Abbas, and his organization, the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), enjoyed safe haven and support in Saddam's Iraq. Abu Abbas was responsible for the October 1985 hijacking of the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro and the murder of Leon Klinghoffer, an elderly American confined to a wheelchair. In October 2000, following the outbreak of Israeli-Palestinian fighting, Abu Abbas announced from Baghdad that the PLF would resume attacks on Israel.

Others: In the 1970s Saddam aided Palestinian radical factions that conducted terrorist operations on Israeli, Jewish, Western, and moderate Arab targets. In the 1980s, he sheltered the Kurdish anti-Turkish terrorist group, the Kurdish Workers Party (PKK) at the same time he allowed Ankara hot pursuit of PKK terrorists across its border. In the 1990s, he provided safe haven and supported attacks by the leftist anti-Iranian Mujahideen-e Khalq on targets inside Iran, including rocket attacks on government office buildings in Tehran.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing3/witness_yaphe.htm

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Saddam did not have enough WMD to form a credible threat to anyone. By 2003, there were only a few remnants of misplaced, forgotten and spoiled chemical and biological shells from 1988.

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Iraq did not move WMD into Syria. Although it was kind of amusing to hear you insist that he had.

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Saddam did not have a delivery system, since all of his rocketry was restricted to a range that allowed only for defense against Iran.

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Saddam did not have a WMD production program, or even a nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons research program. There were no efforts along those lines.

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Despite what Rumsfeld said, he did not have WMD deployed anywhere near Baghdad, or anywhere else, for that matter.

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The UN did not ask for our "help" in enforcing the weapons ban. They had their own inspection team - which included USA military and CIA inspectors. In fact, the prospect of USA bombing led to an evacuation when the inspectors were within a few months of completing their task.

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Nor did the last UN resolution on the matter- R1441- allow any nation to invade Iraq at a whim. UN resolutions supersede each other, that is, altho later resolutions reference previous ones, they also CANCEL THEM OUT. So reference to previous resolutions was not carte blanche for invasion.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Stop being a stupid two year old, thinking you can get your way with the grown-ups of you just throw a loud enough tantrum long enuf.

Or not.

And keep being looked on like a cretin.

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When non-RWA folk say there were no WMD, they mean all the rest--there was no ongoing program, there was no WMD that posed a threat to us--because protecting our nation is the issue for them. AURaptor's feeling vindicated because there literally were FRAGMENTARY AND UTTERLY USELESS WMD is disgusting and deeply intellectually dishonest as any justification for war.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Money grew scarce, and the family went on welfare. Zubeidat was accused of stealing from a department store. Anzor’s business, never prosperous, faded."

Ah, yes the American dream. Money, success, material goods. But the dream never happens for 24.75% of Americans who live in or near poverty. What then? Well, if you're born American and fully propagandized, you blame yourself. If you're not, you more rationally blame the system.


Record U.S. Poverty Rate Holds As Inequality Grows
Today the Census Bureau released its analysis of U.S. poverty in 2011, and the official poverty rate essentially held at 15 percent, meaning that 46.2 million people live below the poverty line.
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They aren't in poverty, but they are just a step away from falling into its clutches.
More than 30 million (9.75%) Americans are living just above the poverty line. These near poor, often defined as having incomes of up to 1.5 times the poverty threshold, were supporting a family of four on no more than $34,500 last year.

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Best thing about Saddam Hussein was that while he was there, he kept the Iranians-- well, in check is not the right word, but they were so busy fighting him and keeping an eye on him, they didn't have enough left over to get into too much mischief. Then we removed him , and HEY! PRESTO! Iraq is now or will soon be, an Iranian client state.

Good job our side.

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