Boston Marathon Bombers support Obama by AURaptor

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Since Obama had enough supporters to win a second term, why has the obvious connection between that and terror-inclinations not led to a whole host of other attacks?

On the other hand, if the connection is not that obvious and causal, why is it relevant at all?

There have been plenty of attempts.

How is it NOT relevant ?

Also, the older brother was flagged by the Russians, and both the FBI AND CIA knew he was someone to be aware of, yet nothing was done.

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:56 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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why is it relevant at all?

It's not, obviously. If we wanted to go into which President or Presidential candidate our various crazies approved of, or supported, or whatever, we could dig up all kinds of stuff, keep track of who supported who, and it would still be totally irrelevant.

These guys were crazies, and crazies do as crazies do. The government investigated him (I believe they only checked out one of them, correct?) when the "foreign government" (everyone keeps saying "Russia", but from what I heard, they hadn't verified it was Russia at that time, so I must have missed something) pointed him out. It appears from what I'm able to glean that there was no indication of radicalization or activity at the time. They asked for more info, but didn't get any. I'd love to see us try and follow up on and keep track of everyone the FBI ever checked out, just in case, especially since their FAMILY seemed pretty unaware they'd radicalized right up until recently. A whole new growth industry!

Idiotic. A weak try, at best, to make some kind of...point? From what it says, there's no evidence they ever voted, and let's see, college student tweets about an election...wow, big news!

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:02 AM

America loves a winner!

It's idiotic when it paints your guy in a negative light.

However, when Sarah Palin had absolutely nothing to do w/ the AZ shooter, at all, the first thing the MSM did was clamor about how her facebook page had " cross hairs " on a map!!!

OMFG!!!! SHE WAS BEHIND THE GABBY GIFFORDS SHOOTER!!!

Execute all conservatives, NOW!

We clear on how it works now ?

Mmmkay. Got it.

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:03 AM

JONGSSTRAW

They supported Obama because they thought he's the new Osama. Well no one said they were very bright. But one must admire the Golfer-In-Chief's record on dealing with terrorists. He kills them and everyone around them with drones, which is so much more in the spirit of the Nobel Peace Prize than anything done by his predecessor.

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:08 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Another false equivalency, and another lie; nothing new. Rap knows full well that no responsible human being made such a connection and that the complaints were about the language and cross hairs and threats of "Second-Amendment remedies" being potential incitements to violence.

And of course we all know "yet nothing was done" was deliberate, and he knows better, so there's another lie to lay at his feet. It's been all over the news that they investigated him at the request of that "foreign government" (which I see now is "from Russian state security, according to officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter")...and oh, by the way:

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The CIA pushed to have one of the suspected Boston Marathon bombers placed on a U.S. counterterrorism watch list more than a year before the attacks, U.S. officials said Wednesday.

The CIA request led the National Counterterrorism Center to add Tsarnaev’s name to a database known as the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, or TIDE, that is used to feed information to other lists, including the FBI’s main terrorist screening database. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-pushed-to-ad
d-boston-bomber-to-terror-watch-list/2013/04/24/cf02b43c-ad10-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_story.html

I assume by "nothing" having been done, he's intimating that the guy should have been locked up in Gitmo on suspicion, along with the no-doubt millions of other potential terrorists...and I guess anyone who spoke against the government, right or left--no, only left, I'm sure. There have never been right-wing nutcases who haven't been stopped before they committed terrorist acts, have there...?

Given the guy has MORE ties to Infowars than he ever did to Obama or anyone on the left, I'm surprised Rap wants to keep going with this one. Me, I just showed how silly trying to make such connections is in another thread, so have no further interest in his babblings in this one.

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:35 AM

And rappy continues to strive for PN levels of stupidity.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:33 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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And rappy continues to strive for PN levels of stupidity.

Aha! The intelligent response!

I long ago stopped looking at any thread PN started, about anything. It has now reached the point of no longer following any thread he's even responded to, maybe not even to see whether anybody else has anything intelligent to say.
I have learned, mostly, not to bother to argue with the Rap, 'cuz it's such a waste of time. Been about to not bother with ANY thread he starts, nor to bother with any thread he responds to.

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:10 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

That's about it for me...I scroll past PN's rants in other people's threads (after all, it's not their fault he comes in and plasters the place), and I will read Rap's threads; well, most of them. Some are just too obvious to bother with. I should stop, because far too often I give in to the temptation to refute his idiocy, which is time I'll never get back and isn't really needed here, since everyone already knows...

I've given up on Wulf, too; I kept hoping he'd have something to contribute, but he's gotten as bad as Six in his way, predictably boring rants and nothing of any substance ever to offer. It's a shame; I wish more of you would post, I KNOW there's stuff out there you have opinions on and this place is getting dreary again.

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:33 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Yeah.... pretty much any reasonable man that posts in the RWED aside from Kwick has resigned themselves to being completely ignored by the mindless bra-burning kooz that posts here.

Our real hope is that there are actual real women that post here with minds of their own that can tell right from wrong without hopping aboard whatever political train suited their fancy at the moment....

EDITED TO ADD: Remember Ladies, if you agree with Niki, you're agreeing with your ancient grandmother.....

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:29 AM

America loves a winner!

Funny to see some blatantly ignore the facts and instead hurl empty insults @ the messenger.

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:00 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yeah.... pretty much any reasonable man that posts in the RWED aside from Kwick has resigned themselves to being completely ignored by the mindless bra-burning kooz that posts here.

Our real hope is that there are actual real women that post here with minds of their own that can tell right from wrong without hopping aboard whatever political train suited their fancy at the moment....

EDITED TO ADD: Remember Ladies, if you agree with Niki, you're agreeing with your ancient grandmother.....

Oooh, ouch, yow!

Shot thru the heart
And you're to blame
You give Niki a bad name
She plays her part
And her sheep are lame
Oh Sixstring
You really play a harsh game.

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:12 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Funny to see some blatantly ignore the facts and instead hurl empty insults @ the messenger.

Why thank you Rap for the defense; that was very sweet of you. I fully agree, Six is pathetically amusing.

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

I have learned, mostly, not to bother to argue with the Rap, 'cuz it's such a waste of time.

I hit that point a good 5-6 years back. He's nothing but a joke I like to pester.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah.... pretty much any reasonable man that posts in the RWED aside from Kwick has resigned themselves to being completely ignored by the mindless bra-burning kooz that posts here.

How would you even recognize "reasonable" through your booze haze?

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny to see some blatantly ignore the facts and instead hurl empty insults @ the messenger.

No one disputed and "facts" loser. We just laugh at the moronic conclusions you draw from them. You can't get past your hatred.
We get that.
We REALLY do.

That's why you're so damned entertaining.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:20 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

I have learned, mostly, not to bother to argue with the Rap, 'cuz it's such a waste of time.

I hit that point a good 5-6 years back. He's nothing but a joke I like to pester.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

What can I tell ya? I learn slow...:<) ( Hey, what happened to the frame with the emoticons in it? Seems to be gone, and I can't remember 'em.

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:13 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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"Barack you my dawg"

- Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2013/04/23/politico-ignores-dz
hokhars-pro-obama-tweets-reports-no-obvious-political#ixzz2RR2Upi00

Go figure.

Welfare taking, America hating, shop lifting, women beating, bomb throwing ( literally ) Islamo nut jobs.

Ahh... the religion of Peace.

Chickens coming home, baby.

Are you suggesting that ALL Obama supporters are violent terrorists now? Or that supporting Obama causes one to become a violent terrorist?
Or that Obama supports violent terrorists?

What is your point?

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Magons

I'm curious. Now that you've had a good look at US right-wing crazies, do you think there's an equivalent over your way?

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:48 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny to see some blatantly ignore the facts and instead hurl empty insults @ the messenger.

No one disputed and "facts" loser. We just laugh at the moronic conclusions you draw from them. You can't get past your hatred.
We get that.
We REALLY do.

That's why you're so damned entertaining.

Yes. I can't get past my hatred for those who fly planes into sky scrapers, who blow up little children watching a road race, or who slice off the noses of little girls who dare to go to school.

Ya got me.

You seemingly find those things hi-larious. Me ? Not so much.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:13 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Are you suggesting that ALL Obama supporters are violent terrorists now? Or that supporting Obama causes one to become a violent terrorist?
Or that Obama supports violent terrorists?

What is your point?

Did you not read the Salon.com article?

Hoping that the bombers were white Americans ( read - CONSERVATIVES ), or else it would harm the Left wing, and hurt the immigration movement. Did ya happen to miss all of that ?

Seems like ya did.

Newsflash - the bombers weren't 'white, conservative, tea party' types.

It's really not that hard to figure it out.

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:08 PM

pooo

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:09 PM

damn

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:09 PM

I'm having trouble figuring it out. What salon article? What are you trying to say because I have no idea. I'm at a loss to know what point you are making. The only thing I can see is some political point scoring which helps exactly how?

What response do you want from Obama btw? Do you want Chechnya bombed? Will that satisfy you?

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Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Ahh... the religion of Peace."

"Christian Terrorism Comes to Milwaukee" is about Wade Michael Page, the Sikh Temple shooter. Adolph Hitler was Christian. Captain Ernest Medina, who ordered the My Lai killings and Second Lieutenant William Calley who actually carried them out, are both Christians. Yoweri Museveni, president of Uganda, is a Christian.

Religion of peace indeed.

ENJOY YOUR NEXT FOUR YEARS!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - HERE'S LAUGHING AT YOU KID!

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Friday, April 26, 2013 1:59 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

I'm having trouble figuring it out. What salon article? What are you trying to say because I have no idea. I'm at a loss to know what point you are making. The only thing I can see is some political point scoring which helps exactly how?

Let's hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a White American.

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_i
s_a_white_american/

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What response do you want from Obama btw? Do you want Chechnya bombed? Will that satisfy you?

I wouldn't mind if our govt started doing its job on tightening immigration, and actually following up on warnings issued by other countries, on which individuals may pose an actual threat... is THAT too much to ask ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Friday, April 26, 2013 6:58 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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The only thing I can see is some political point scoring which helps exactly how?

That's all it is, Magons. That's all it EVER is or ever will be. You already knew that.

The fact that our government DID follow up on the immigrant in question, investigated him, found nothing, asked for more information from the foreign government in question, got none (in other words, nothing indicating further investigation was warranted), and moved on to other more obvious targets (apparently) isn't sufficient for people like Rap. He wants an FBI agent on every corner, a video camera in every mosque, apparently.

That the Boston bombing should have ANYTHING to do with immigration is pathetic. But it's what people like Rap's "sources" are pushing right now, so it's good for political point scoring. And again, the fact that the bomber was a follower of InfoWars, a highly anti-government "source", means nothing; that he heralded Obama's election, means everything. That says it all.

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Friday, April 26, 2013 8:03 AM

Rappy thinks we should adopt the new FoxNews immigration policy - no Muslims, at all!

Land of the free...

As I read somewhere yesterday - to the extreme right, the constitution is just the 2nd ammendment, and a bunch of other suggestions...

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, April 26, 2013 1:11 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I wouldn't mind if our govt started doing its job on tightening immigration, and actually following up on warnings issued by other countries, on which individuals may pose an actual threat... is THAT too much to ask ?

Okay, so you know that it is already incredibly hard to enter the US legally. You do have to go through lots of hoops to get in.

As for the warning, I guess there is this little issue of poor relations with Russia. Historically they've spied on one another, not co-operated. I guess the other issue is that usually the Chechnyian threat is towards Russia, not the USA. But yeah, in hindsight....always easier to say.

What kind of checks can you make to determine what is or will be in someone's heart and mind. Not all Muslims end up committing mass killings, and not all mass killings are conducted by Muslims, as we have seen many, many times in the US in recent times.

Or are you suggesting that Muslims not be allowed to immigrate?

NB Thanks for the link to the Salon article. Did you actually read more than the title, because it was an interesting article.

I quote:

"If recent history is any guide, if the bomber ends up being a white anti-government extremist, white privilege will likely mean the attack is portrayed as just an isolated incident — one that has no bearing on any larger policy debates. Put another way, white privilege will work to not only insulate whites from collective blame, but also to insulate the political debate from any fallout from the attack.

It will probably be much different if the bomber ends up being a Muslim and/or a foreigner from the developing world. As we know from our own history, when those kind of individuals break laws in such a high-profile way, America often cites them as both proof that entire demographic groups must be targeted, and that therefore a more systemic response is warranted. At that point, it’s easy to imagine conservatives citing Boston as a reason to block immigration reform defense spending cuts and the Afghan War withdrawal and to further expand surveillance and other encroachments on civil liberties."

Bolding mine. Could be directled at you, Rap

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Friday, April 26, 2013 3:11 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Rappy thinks we should adopt the new FoxNews immigration policy - no Muslims, at all!

Land of the free...

As I read somewhere yesterday - to the extreme right, the constitution is just the 2nd ammendment, and a bunch of other suggestions...

How about we meet in the middle, and compromise , shall we ? No admittance of Muslims who have been put on another country's watch list for potential ties to or involvement in terrorism?

And cross check to make sure their names are spelled correctly, if we can.

Too much ?

And MD...

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"If recent history is any guide, if the bomber ends up being a white anti-government extremist, white privilege will likely mean the attack is portrayed as just an isolated incident — one that has no bearing on any larger policy debates. Put another way, white privilege will work to not only insulate whites from collective blame, but also to insulate the political debate from any fallout from the attack.

It will probably be much different if the bomber ends up being a Muslim and/or a foreigner from the developing world. As we know from our own history, when those kind of individuals break laws in such a high-profile way, America often cites them as both proof that entire demographic groups must be targeted, and that therefore a more systemic response is warranted. At that point, it’s easy to imagine conservatives citing Boston as a reason to block immigration reform defense spending cuts and the Afghan War withdrawal and to further expand surveillance and other encroachments on civil liberties. "

Bolding mine. Could be directled at you, Rap

MD - first of all, the article itself is a pile of go-se. The tripe about 'white privilege ' is just that. Tripe. The author is claiming that U.S. is racist, while being bigoted ( if not racist ) himself.

Second, look at the facts we have so far. Immigration is already a broken system. 11 million illegals here ( My guess is that it's more like 15, but who's counting ) already. That's a given. Then we have 1 brother who apparently never became a U.S. citizen, yet is still here, who gets put on a Russian list for suspected terrorist activity, and was already interviewed by the FBI as a person of interest, over a year ago. Then add to the fact their mother was a shop lifter, to the tune of 1000's of dollars, and oh yeah, they were on welfare. The fact that the older brother was also selling drugs to help finance himself can't really be brought up, because the narrative already out in the media is that he was " all-American kid ".

[i Baseball, hot dogs, Pineapple Express and Chevrolet.

Right.

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Friday, April 26, 2013 3:20 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Wasn't at least one of these guys a big Alex Jones fan?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, April 26, 2013 9:09 PM

I smell a conspiracy theory..............

SGG

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Since Obama had enough supporters to win a second term, why has the obvious connection between that and terror-inclinations not led to a whole host of other attacks?

On the other hand, if the connection is not that obvious and causal, why is it relevant at all?

There have been plenty of attempts.

How is it NOT relevant ?

Also, the older brother was flagged by the Russians, and both the FBI AND CIA knew he was someone to be aware of, yet nothing was done.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Friday, April 26, 2013 9:29 PM

I read the, ahem, "article" and found it lacking - intelligence. Like you guys never heard of "smokescreen." Hell, you guys practically invented it.
I remember Bushy campaigning and telling anyone dumb enough to listen that he was a God fearing public official ready to stand with the Silent Majority/Religious Right................

How did that go for you? Once in office he turned his back and put his arm around Karl Rove (aka: the Devil) and shook himself free from the Lord's presence. And now he's hoping against hope that there is no hell, too late Bubba!

Imagine naming a library after his lame ass. He could barely read!

This guy, the bomber, obviously was playing the flag-waving American bit to the hilt. Come on guys, do I have to explain everything. It's part of what is called a sleeper agent....did you ever see the movie "Telefon"? It acts like a duck, quacks like a duck and fucks like a duck. So here we are folks. Do you get it now? Natural disasters, exploding plants, fires coming out of nowhere............and you think Obama has anything to do with this? Jeez you guys are dense?

Yeah, all this has happened since Obama was elected POTUS. Hell, even 9/11 was his fault - in an alternate timeline. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid!

SGG

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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"Barack you my dawg"

- Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2013/04/23/politico-ignores-dz
hokhars-pro-obama-tweets-reports-no-obvious-political#ixzz2RR2Upi00

Go figure.

Welfare taking, America hating, shop lifting, women beating, bomb throwing ( literally ) Islamo nut jobs.

Ahh... the religion of Peace.

Chickens coming home, baby.

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Friday, April 26, 2013 9:45 PM

Really!? You draw a quote from a right wing douche bag blog and claim it the "official" response and we're supposed to cower underneath the sheets:

Oh the Auraptor has come from down on high with his tablets of Knee-Jerk Commandments, woe unto us non-believers, for we have sinned against humanity.................the horror!

Not a chance!

Hurling conspiracy theories about like so much cannon fodder does not an argument make!

To quote that famous American freedom writer, Melvin Udall:

"Go sell crazy some place else, we're all stocked up here."

SGG

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny to see some blatantly ignore the facts and instead hurl empty insults @ the messenger.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, April 26, 2013 9:47 PM

Good one...............lol

..........other suggestions..............lol

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Rappy thinks we should adopt the new FoxNews immigration policy - no Muslims, at all!

Land of the free...

As I read somewhere yesterday - to the extreme right, the constitution is just the 2nd ammendment, and a bunch of other suggestions...

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Saturday, April 27, 2013 2:39 AM

America loves a winner!

SGG - I see no conspiracy, but it seems you do. I see a broken immigration system, and massive govt incompetence, though, stemming from a failure by bureaucrats to actually do their job. Might be because our current President refuses to even acknowledge there IS such a thing as Islamic nut job terrorism.

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Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:17 PM