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3 Year-Old Boy Shoots And Kills Himself With Concealed Carry-Permitted Uncle’s Gun

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Saturday, May 11, 2013 14:06
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Friday, May 10, 2013 6:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


...and another baby bites the dust:
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A 3-year-old boy who found a gun in a backpack and shot himself died Tuesday night, authorities said, a local addition to this month's spate of child shootings nationwide.

The boy, identified by the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office as Jadarrius Speights, was with his mother, father and uncle in Apartment 109 of the Avesta apartments at 13144 N 22nd St., just west of the University of South Florida.

The uncle, Jeffrey D. Walker, 29, had bought the 9mm gun at a gun shop and had left it in a backpack in a bedroom he shared with the boy, said sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter.

Carter said investigators believe the child found the gun and accidentally shot himself.

Walker was arrested late Tuesday and faces a culpable negligence charge, the Sheriff's Office said. He holds a concealed weapons permit, authorities said.

The boy's parents, Jasmine Bell, 21, and Trentin Speights, 22, were in their bedroom at the time of the shooting.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/3-year-old-boy-shot-an
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"Children are shooting themselves and other children at such a rapid pace, the circumstances are beginning to duplicate themselves. Jadarrius Speights wasn’t even the first child to shoot himself, with a 9mm handgun, which didn’t belong to a parent, that he found in a backpack, this month, or even the first three year-old to do so. Not a week ago, 3 year-old Darrien Nez shot and killed himself with a 9mm that he found in his grandmother’s backpack.

"Whatever your position on gun regulation, these stories clearly illustrate that something is wrong, that not enough is being done to prevent children from gaining access to guns."

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Friday, May 10, 2013 6:43 AM

STORYMARK


And to gun nuts - it's irrelevant. There could be piles of dead children, and they wouldn't make a single move to curtain the availability of guns in the least.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, May 10, 2013 3:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Storymark:
And to gun nuts - it's irrelevant. There could be piles of dead children, and they wouldn't make a single move to curtain the availability of guns in the least.




You're exactly right. We already saw piles of dead children in Newtown, and the gunsuckers say guns had nothing to do with it. Could've just as easily have happened with a handful of spaghetti, they seem to think.



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"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, May 10, 2013 6:14 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
And to gun nuts - it's irrelevant. There could be piles of dead children, and they wouldn't make a single move to curtain the availability of guns in the least.



Come on now, its not that it doesn't matter, it's the fact that children could kill each other using nothing more than a leaf and a piece of string, so really you might as well let them play with guns.

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Friday, May 10, 2013 6:16 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


If only that kid had had a gun, he could have protected himself from himself.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 4:32 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


And the usual suspects high-five over another tragedy they can exploit.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:08 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


So. Okay.

Now, just out of curiosity, what laws - that aren't already on the books - would the usual suspects propose that would have kept this tragedy from happening?

The uncle was arrested for culpable negligence, so we know there was a law making it illegal to leave a gun where a child could get access to it.

He had a Concealed Carry permit, which in Florida requires proof of firearms safety training.

He purchased the pistol legally, so he apparently passed a NICS background check.

ETA: Oh, and no one gave the child the gun as a gift.

(And no, Mike, I'm not saying that laws are no good because folks don't follow them. Most folks do. The overwhelming majority of folks do. If the uncle had followed the law and followed the training he received, this wouldn't have happened. It's his fail.)

So what are your suggestions?




"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I can only speak for myself. For me it's not so much a matter of laws that will stop what's been happening to children lately. It's the sheer proliferation of guns, and the mentality that a gun is just a thing, like all the other things in the backpack, and it's not given much more thought by many, many people. Guns have become idolized, like cars, like jewelry, and that mindset is being encouraged, not discouraged, more and more.

I don't know how to "fix" it; I don't think anyone does. Obviously it would be nice if we could have better enforcement of existing laws; background checks and other "checks" at things like gun shows would, in my OPINION, eventually change the attitude that "oh, I can get any gun I want, any time"; not marketing guns to kids would, I believe, LESSEN the attitude that kids should be playing with them...a "pink" gun is NOT being seen as a dangerous weapon, I don't care what anyone says (it's DEFINITELY not being MARKETED as one!); the ability to research, get data and actually FIND OUT about guns would be a major step, again in my opinion; doctors being able to TALK TO their patients about keeping children safe (like that doctor who said his patient had never thought about the fact she kept a loaded gun in her bed table until he asked). There are many things I think we could do to at least mitigate the problem; but we won't be allowed to do ANY of them, so yeah, those of us who care are frustrated and angry about it.

That's the most honestly I can answer your question.


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Saturday, May 11, 2013 2:06 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yep, there needs to be a cultural change, a change in thinking. Not sure how it happens, but I certainly think one of the reasons why I find children owning guns so abhorent, apart from the danger, a subject already shot to death on the other thread, is the kind of values that giving guns imparts to children.

That guns are to be coveted.
That they are toys.
That shooting is a necessary skill in life
That owning weapons is normal

Other memes going around that I consider BS>

You need a gun for self defence
Gun ownership prevents tyranny
Gun restriction legislation is a conspiracy being set up in order to subvert the population.'
Gun ownership prevents crime.

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