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10 crazy things the IRS asked Tea Party groups

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Monday, May 13, 2013 9:33 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:57 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Nothing wrong here.....

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/10/10-crazy-things-the-irs-asked-te
a-party-groups/



Just another 'non-story' for libs to avoid.

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 5:28 AM

REAVERFAN


You're right. It's a non-story. I take it you don't know much about non-profits.

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree with Fan. And point to http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=54869 for the long, albeit disgusting, history of IRS targeting people. It's just as bad when a Democratic administration does it as when a Republican one does. There is no excuse.

Can we all agree the IRS has, and has had, way too much power, and has not always used it responsibly?


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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The more important point:
Quote:

All this outrage threatens to obscure an important point: the IRS does need to crack on political groups masquerading as social welfare organizations. Many of the nonprofit groups who claim 501(c)(4) status either flout tax law or flirt with the murky line between electioneering and issue advocacy, all while using their tax-exempt status to conceal their donors. The problem isn’t that the IRS flagged nonprofit groups for additional review. The problem is that it did so poorly, lavishing special attention on Tea Party outfits when it should have been scrutinizing everyone — or at least more egregious offenders.

This is easier said than done. After the U.S. Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision in January 2010, donors flocked to 501(c)(4)s as a vehicle to pump cash into elections without disclosing the source of their contributions. The number of groups applying for social-welfare status has since doubled. In 2012, the news outlet ProPublic examined 72 501(c)(4) applications from groups which claimed to have no plans to spend money on elections. They compared those documents against the subsequent tax returns. Nearly half of the groups found their plans had changed.

In last year’s elections, 501(c)(4) groups spent more than $300 million in dark money, according to Lisa Rosenberg of the Sunlight Foundation, a nonpartisan government transparency group based in Washington. There is no way to police all these groups, Rosenberg acknowledges. But the IRS, deluged with social welfare applications at the same time the Tea Party movement was on the rise, appears to have picked a political filter as a shortcut. “It’s the right thing to do to be looking into which of these groups are legitimate social welfare organizations and which are political organizations. It’s absolutely necessary,” Rosenberg says. “There’s no question the way the IRS apparently went about it was wrong. But the fact that they were doing it is absolutely right.”

The method the IRS used to determine which groups to investigate — singling out keywords like tea party, patriot and other conservative terms of art — was “just backwards,” says Fred Wertheimer, president of the campaign-finance watchdog Democracy 21. “There are a number of groups that have blatantly been abusing the tax laws in order to hide their donors. Those are the groups that the IRS should have been investigating.”

Among the leading offenders, Wertheimer says, are two right-leaning groups, Crossroads GPS and the American Action Network; PrioritiesUSA, which supported Obama’s re-election; and the short-lived Americans Elect, which tried to raise a third-party presidential candidate to compete in 2012 despite registering as a social-welfare nonprofit.

The IRS, Wertheimer says, was provided with evidence that clearly documented how these groups flouted IRS regulations, which hold that they must be “primarily” engaged in social welfare activities rather than electioneering. (Crossroads GPS founder Karl Rove even acknowledged in a Wall Street Journal editorial that his group had funneled millions into an ad blitz on behalf of Mitt Romney.) And yet instead the IRS chose instead to adopt a crude criteria targeting possible Tea Party transgressors.

For campaign-finance watchdogs, the fear is that the backlash will spook the IRS out of pursuing major players who are using the loophole to influence elections. “Our concern now,” Wertheimer says, “is to make sure the focus on IRS abuses does not become cover for political organizations that are blatantly misusing the tax laws.” http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/14/the-real-irs-scandal/


That's the REAL issue; Citizens United has opened us up to a lot of bad-faith "tax-exempt" organizations; the current mess only helps THEM.


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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:13 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I find this whole thing very peculiar. The media, that includes Fox, are going nuts over this IRS debacle, and rightfully so. Yet, back in 2004 the exact same thing was done to the NAACP..........where was the outrage then?

http://freakoutnation.com/2013/05/13/bam-two-years-after-the-naacp-cri
ticized-bush-in-2004-the-irs-finally-cleared-their-tax-exempt-status
/

Now, here's a question: Is it a standing order that the IRS, at the behest of the sitting president, "investigate" such groups that criticize the White House and the administration, or is it done on a case-by-case basis?

Such righteous indignation must be served.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Nothing wrong here.....

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/10/10-crazy-things-the-irs-asked-te
a-party-groups/


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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:21 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


People have selective memories Niki, but what irks me is how quick everyone is to point a finger at the president. Plus it fits into the conspiracy theories floating about of BIG Government/Big Brother coming to get ya!!!!

The question remains: Is this a common IRS practice or is it administered upon "special" request?


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I agree with Fan. And point to http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=54869 for the long, albeit disgusting, history of IRS targeting people. It's just as bad when a Democratic administration does it as when a Republican one does. There is no excuse.

Can we all agree the IRS has, and has had, way too much power, and has not always used it responsibly?



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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Wasn't just the NAACP that was targeted by the Bush era IRS - it was churches who spoke out against the Iraq War, too.


Remember all the outrage voiced by Rappy and Jongsie back then?


Yeah, me neither.



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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:07 PM

1KIKI

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:48 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yanno, this is every bit as bad as when Nixon targeted antiwar activists by the IRS, and had peaceful protesters followed by satellite!

Obama just pillaged AP's records. He has a vaunted history of prosecuting whistleblowers and siccing the electronic police on... well, pretty much everyone. Indefinite detention w/o charges??? CHECK! Star chamber sentencing to death by drone? DOUBLE CHECK!

Obama is a constitutional monster, make no mistake.

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