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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:01 AM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/05/13/pumpcast_news_fake_jay_
leno_segment_wasn_t_totally_honest_is_that_ok_video.html

Apparently, the Jay Leno show aired a Pumpcast News segment than wasn't real.
This seems to be a serious column about the incident.

Seriously? The Leno show made up something? Something with the obviously fake name "Pumpcast News" , on a late night entertainment show hosted by a comedian, WASN'T TRUE?(Well, OK, maybe he's not a comedian, either. Or at least not very good at it, just successful.) Damn that left wing liberal bozo! And his manipulative network overlords.

I mean, it even had News in its name... Nobody with a name like that is allowed to make stuff up, unless their first name is Fox. SOmebody might get confused and think it's real.

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:19 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Not sure of your point here?

Were conservatives complaining about Leno's supposed 'man in the street' segment not really being a 'man in the street' but an actor?

Or are we not supposed to be worried about the rather bad week the Obama Administration is having; with the 'cleaned up' Benghazi summaries (which at the very least show major lack of coordination between State and the CIA), the IRS revelations about targeting right-wing non-profits, the Justice department seizing AP reporter's phone records, and the discovery that the wind turbine folks can get away with killing eagles when other energy companies get fined, because the administration is just entertainment, and shouldn't be taken seriously?

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

And here I thought this was going to be about ABC News's fake e-mails about Benghazi...

Dan Rather lost his job for less.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:27 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And here I thought this was going to be about ABC News's fake e-mails about Benghazi...

Dan Rather lost his job for less.

I haven't heard about that one...

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:32 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

I don't think my original post mentioned "the administration" at all. I thought it was about the Leno show.

I found it thru the Slate "Entertainment" page, not their category of "News and Politics."

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:48 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And here I thought this was going to be about ABC News's fake e-mails about Benghazi...

Dan Rather lost his job for less.

I haven't heard about that one...

Well now you have! :D

http://gawker.com/cnn-says-abcs-benghazi-scoop-used-a-fake-quote-50583
5408

It's almost funny. Almost.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:49 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
I don't think my original post mentioned "the administration" at all. I thought it was about the Leno show.

I found it thru the Slate "Entertainment" page, not their category of "News and Politics."

Sssshhhhh - You're interrupting Geezer's deep, meaningful conversation with himself!

Next he'll be screaming that there need to be congressional investigations into the Leno cover-up to see just how far up the Obama administration it goes...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:00 PM

STORYMARK

Don't give him any ideas.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And here I thought this was going to be about ABC News's fake e-mails about Benghazi...

Dan Rather lost his job for less.

I haven't heard about that one...

Well now you have! :D

http://gawker.com/cnn-says-abcs-benghazi-scoop-used-a-fake-quote-50583
5408

It's almost funny. Almost.

That's extremely weak. Even for you, Kwickie. Dan Rather didn't do 'less'. He fabricated entire federal documents, to promote a story which wasn't true. Here, it looks as if someone added a few words, for clarification , and it got included into a quote which it should not have. A mistake ? Yep. Does it drastically change very much on this story ?

Nope.

Here, we ALL know that this WH, this President, has lied. It's on record, and yet he ( and his sycophants ) continue to pretend that what they said before wasn't what was really said, and that if we dare to point out the facts, he calls it a 'side show' or tries to evade the issue entirely.

It was never about a video. Obama knew it wasn't, and lied.

Case closed.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:31 PM

STORYMARK

But it was ok when Bush lied about WMD.

Got it.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:24 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And here I thought this was going to be about ABC News's fake e-mails about Benghazi...

Dan Rather lost his job for less.

I haven't heard about that one...

Well now you have! :D

http://gawker.com/cnn-says-abcs-benghazi-scoop-used-a-fake-quote-50583
5408

It's almost funny. Almost.

That's extremely weak. Even for you, Kwickie. Dan Rather didn't do 'less'. He fabricated entire federal documents, to promote a story which wasn't true.

What's hilarious is that you think "quoting" federal e-mails and claiming they said things they didn't say is somehow NOT fabricating "entire federal documents". Also, do you have ANY evidence that Rather did what you claim?

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Here, it looks as if someone added a few words, for clarification , and it got included into a quote which it should not have. A mistake ? Yep. Does it drastically change very much on this story ?

Nope.

Except that they claimed that this was said in the e-mails. It wasn't. They quite literally fabricated federal documents to try to influence or change the story.

And you have zero problem with it. Go figure.

Quote:

Here, we ALL know that this WH, this President, has lied. It's on record, and yet he ( and his sycophants ) continue to pretend that what they said before wasn't what was really said, and that if we dare to point out the facts, he calls it a 'side show' or tries to evade the issue entirely.

It was never about a video. Obama knew it wasn't, and lied.

Case closed.

You have no case, because you've never presented any evidence. Darrel Issa admits there's no evidence of wrongdoing.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:39 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And here I thought this was going to be about ABC News's fake e-mails about Benghazi...

Dan Rather lost his job for less.

I haven't heard about that one...

Well now you have! :D

http://gawker.com/cnn-says-abcs-benghazi-scoop-used-a-fake-quote-50583
5408

It's almost funny. Almost.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

Thank you.

ABC's in the wrong on this one. When you use a direct quote, you MUST be EXTREMELY careful to be accurate. Even if you ellipse something ( remove unimportant... stuff with dots) you have to be sure you don't re-interpret what the original speaker meant. You can't put something inside there that specifically mentions an organization that the original speaker never mentioned. And you can't leave it in, sort of, " by mistake" or because of a typo.

You, of course, already know that: I use "you" here figuratively, not in accusatory mode.

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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:46 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Dan Rather didn't do 'less'. He fabricated entire federal documents, to promote a story which wasn't true.

I remember Rather-gate somewhat differently. As I recall it, the facts of Bush's service in Texas and the Alabama Air National Guard were accurate and verifiable. The supporting document was established as a forgery. Rather refused to reveal where the document came from. I have never, 'till now, seen any claim that HE or his staff, FABRICATED it themselves.

Can you cite a source for that?

E-T-A: just looked it up on Wikipedia myself.

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The provider of the documents, Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, claims to have burned the originals after faxing copies to CBS.[9]

CBS News producer Mary Mapes obtained the copied documents from Burkett, a former officer in the Texas Army National Guard, while pursuing a story about the George W. Bush military service controversy.

Rather retired because he DID fib a bit -- he claimed that CBS had authenticated the documents, which they had not. Suppose he could have meant they believed that the source had proper access to the stuff, and they trusted him to have given them real stuff.

I think he was embarrassed to have been taken in so carelessly.

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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:55 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

You pretty much nailed it, NewOld...not that any of the righties give a shit. They want us focused on all the stuff they're trying to blow up into something...anything...and any less will simply not DO!

This, too, shall piss...er, PASS! ;o)

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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:14 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

Can you cite a source for that?

LOL!!!

Of course he can't. Not that it'll stop him from repeating the lie over and over. Its all he does.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:13 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

Can you cite a source for that?

LOL!!!

Of course he can't. Not that it'll stop him from repeating the lie over and over. Its all he does.

That's why I checked it myself. I'm HONEST. I checked it to MAKE SURE I REMEMBERED THE FACTS CORRECTLY. That's what I do. I've also freely and quickly admitted when I'VE BEEN WRONG.

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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:32 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And here I thought this was going to be about ABC News's fake e-mails about Benghazi...

Dan Rather lost his job for less.

I haven't heard about that one...

Well now you have! :D

http://gawker.com/cnn-says-abcs-benghazi-scoop-used-a-fake-quote-50583
5408

It's almost funny. Almost.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

Thank you.

ABC's in the wrong on this one. When you use a direct quote, you MUST be EXTREMELY careful to be accurate. Even if you ellipse something ( remove unimportant... stuff with dots) you have to be sure you don't re-interpret what the original speaker meant. You can't put something inside there that specifically mentions an organization that the original speaker never mentioned. And you can't leave it in, sort of, " by mistake" or because of a typo.

You, of course, already know that: I use "you" here figuratively, not in accusatory mode.

Exactly. And if it was clear that the e-mails were referring to the State Department, then they could have included that by putting it in brackets, showing that it was an editorial add-in by the reporters, something that wasn't in the e-mail but was being added to bring clarity.

And they didn't do that, either.

They materially changed the quoted material in an effort to try to make the story more sensational. The righties, of course, have bought into it completely, as can be seen by Rappy's blind acceptance of the ABCNews version of the story (which even ABCNews and the story's author are now backpedaling on and backing away from).

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:39 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Dan Rather didn't do 'less'. He fabricated entire federal documents, to promote a story which wasn't true.

I remember Rather-gate somewhat differently. As I recall it, the facts of Bush's service in Texas and the Alabama Air National Guard were accurate and verifiable. The supporting document was established as a forgery. Rather refused to reveal where the document came from. I have never, 'till now, seen any claim that HE or his staff, FABRICATED it themselves.

Can you cite a source for that?

E-T-A: just looked it up on Wikipedia myself.
Quote:

The provider of the documents, Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, claims to have burned the originals after faxing copies to CBS.[9]

CBS News producer Mary Mapes obtained the copied documents from Burkett, a former officer in the Texas Army National Guard, while pursuing a story about the George W. Bush military service controversy.

Rather retired because he DID fib a bit -- he claimed that CBS had authenticated the documents, which they had not. Suppose he could have meant they believed that the source had proper access to the stuff, and they trusted him to have given them real stuff.

I think he was embarrassed to have been taken in so carelessly.

That was my recollection of the events as well. Which was why I asked Rappy for his cites (I notice he so far has refused to provide any). If you're going to claim that presenting fishy documents is equal to forging those documents yourself, then you've really got to hang Jonathan Karl of ABCNews for the same crime, since he presented as authentic documents which have been shown to bear little resemblance to the actual documents.

Why does Rappy think Rather's a forger, but not Karl? It's an odd double standard that he only seems to hold when doing so tends to work in his favor politically.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:57 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Why does Rappy think Rather's a forger, but not Karl? It's an odd double standard that he only seems to hold when doing so tends to work in his favor politically.

See, I know that one's a rhetorical question. Or else you answered it yourself.

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