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Why IRS investigation is already Obama's Watergate – and Benghazi, too

POSTED BY: JONGSSTRAW
UPDATED: Monday, May 20, 2013 06:14
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Sunday, May 19, 2013 1:16 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Got any links to the tapes of Obama ordering the IRS to investigate or target conservative groups? Got any tapes of him ordering any forces to stand down or refuse to help in Benghazi?

Because Nixon was actually on tape implicating himself in the Watergate cover-up and conspiracy. There was zero doubt that the scandals went all the way to the Oval Office, and little doubt that that's where they originated.

People tend to miss that key difference when they speak of things being "as bad as Watergate," or being one politician's or another's Watergate. They tend to completely gloss over how deeply Nixon was involved in that whole mess, how deep the corruption was and how cancerous his entire administration was.

And Reagan's was far, far worse. Hundreds of Reagan's administration officials went to prison, versus around 40 for Nixon.

Obama's got some scandals, but so far nobody has provided even a hint of evidence that he was directly involved in or actively participated in any of them. Until and unless they can provide such evidence, comparisons to Watergate or Iran-Contra are really weak. Watergate was so bad, in fact, that ever since that scandal that actually took down a U.S. president, any alleged scandal that even seems like it might be serious automatically gets the word "gate" grafted onto it, as if trying to make it sound bad actually makes it *actually* bad.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:37 PM

JONGSSTRAW


The centerpiece of all this is Sarah Hall Ingram. She's the former IRS Deputy Commissioner of the Tax Exempt/Government Entities Division, and she got a $ 100,000 Bonus for her IRS work. Then she was promoted to head the Obamacare/IRS group. Really? A $ 100,00 bonus for a DEPUTY COMMISSIONER of a SMALL IRS DIVISION?? Gimme an application form, now!

Supposedly only the President can approve a Govt. bonus payout of that size. So if he did approve the bonus, then why? If he didn't, then who did? Did she get that absurd bonus because she didn't do what the Administration wanted? Do they usually give $ 100,000 bonus checks to Govt. employees who decide to break the law all by themselves?

Until she is dragged in before Congress by a subpoena, and until she testifies under oath so she can be prosecuted later if necessary, we'll have to wait. Will she fall on the sword for Obama? All of Nixon's guys did, all except one. But it only takes one. These types of walls are tough to break through, but this one is as corrupt and politically smarmy as it gets. The real problem I see is how to have any justice served, when Attorney General Eric (contempt of Congress) Holder is running interference for Obama.

As far as calling it like Watergate, that was Bob Woodward's experienced description. He knows a few things about such matters.

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Monday, May 20, 2013 1:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





"I don’t think we know what the facts are." - Mitch McConnell



Is this "$ 100,000 bonus" maybe coming from the "Friends of Hamas" like Chuck Hagel's supposed two million dollar speaking fee?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Monday, May 20, 2013 5:29 AM

STORYMARK


The right desperately wanting this to be Watergate doesn't mean it actually is, jongsie.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, May 20, 2013 5:36 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...





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Monday, May 20, 2013 6:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

'Obamagate' danger for the GOP: political overreach

Republicans are jumping all over what they see as major scandals in the Obama administration, including Benghazi, the IRS, and checking journalists’ phone records. But some in the GOP are warning against the perception of overreach for partisan purposes.

“Impeachment” is being flung around by some opponents as congressional committee chairmen in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives line up to fire rhetorically at administration officials.

But there’s a danger for the GOP too, some Republicans warn – particularly since Congress already labors under a 79 percent disapproval rate, according to the latest Gallup survey.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich concedes that Republicans “overreached” in 1998 when they pushed for then-President Bill Clinton’s impeachment in the Monica Lewinsky affair.

Today, Gingrich told NPR Friday, House Republicans leading the investigative parade “need to be calm and factual,” proceeding with caution as they sniff out any administration wrongdoing.

New York Times writer Jonathan Weisman echoes Gingrich’s point: “The most pressing question for Congressional Republicans is no longer how to finesse changes to immigration law or gun control, but how far they can push their cases against President Obama without inciting a backlash of the sort that has left them staggering in the past.”

“I’m being very cautious not to overplay my hand,” US Rep. Charles Boustany Jr., (R) of Louisiana, who sits on the Ways and Means Committee investigating the IRS, told the Times.

An editorial this week in the conservative National Review picks up the same theme. Its headline: “Scandal Is Not an Agenda.”

“Democratic scandal does not take the place of a Republican agenda,” the magazine’s editors write. “It does not reform the tax code or reduce the debt or ease regulatory burdens on small business. It cannot substitute for a strategy to replace Obamacare.”

“By all means, Republicans should run against the president and his party,” the editorial continues. “They should at the same time understand that a purely negative message, however justified, will not produce the governing majority Republicans should be aiming for in the next two elections.”

Mike Allen and Jim Vanderhei at Politico.com put it more colorfully: “Republicans are worried one thing could screw up the political gift of three Obama administration controversies at once: fellow Republicans.

“Top GOP leaders are privately warning members to put a sock in it when it comes to silly calls for impeachment or over-the-top comparisons to Watergate,” they write. “They want members to focus on months of fact-finding investigations – not rhetorical fury.”

Some of the most furious Republicans: Rep. Michele Bachmann asserting that the IRS probe of tea partiers “is far worse than Watergate;” Sen. James Inhofe suggesting Obama’s impeachment; Sen. Ted Cruz likening Obama to Richard Nixon; former Arkansas governor and presidential candidate Mike Huckabee predicting darkly that “before it’s all over, this president will not fill out his full term.”

Amitai Etzioni, professor of international relations at George Washington University, wonders about the longer-term impact of scandal mania.

“There is little doubt about the side effects of hearings, investigations, and media hoopla to follow: they will eat up much of whatever little political capital exists in Washington for bipartisan deals and constructive action,” he writes in The Atlantic. “And they are sure to further delegitimize our political institutions, which the public already holds in unprecedented contempt.” http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0518/Obamagate-danger-for
-the-GOP-political-overreach?nav=87-frontpage-entryNineItem
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Oh, but DO keep it up! Surround yourself with every dramatic detail, roll around in it, call for 40 hearings a week, every week, keep it up, please. Please!, we're loving it! Until you guys can regain some semblance of sanity, this'll help keep your crazies from getting elected to power.



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