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POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 08:28
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Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:48 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



And how's that working out for us all ?

2008:
Quote:

Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and policy assistant to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, told reporters Wednesday to expect the Obama administration to quickly propose an economic stimulus package costing a minimum of $150 billion but "more likely" in the $300 billion range. "An economic recovery plan will be the first thing out of the box," he said.



2010:
Quote:

More Stimulus? Analysis Finds Funds for Roads, Bridges Has Had No Impact

WASHINGTON -- President Obama's top economist gave administration support for a new $75 billion stimulus plan that passed the House last month, but a new analysis shows the government has stimulated little in the past year through one of its most vaunted programs -- road construction.
In fact, regions and states that received ample stimulus funding for building roads and bridges had equally high unemployment rates as areas that didn't get cash from the $787 billion recovery package signed in February of last year, a new Associated Press analysis found.
The figures put to the test Obama's argument that more road money would address an "urgent need to accelerate job growth."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/11/stimulus-spending-roads-bri
dges-effect-local-unemployment/#ixzz2UIszZwJ7






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Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:46 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I got my shovel ready!

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Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:56 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I got my shovel ready!



Remember that glorious 'Summer of Recovery', back in '10 ?



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Saturday, May 25, 2013 4:27 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I got my shovel ready!



Remember that glorious 'Summer of Recovery', back in '10 ?


Just like the '67 'Summer of Love', but without the syphilis and gonorrhea.

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Saturday, May 25, 2013 5:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, May 25, 2013 5:34 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


2011:

Quote:

WASHINGTON (AP) – Republicans in the Senate have killed legislation sponsored by President Obama to spend $60 billion on building and repairing roads, rail lines and other infrastructure to help kick-start the sluggish economy.

The 51-49 vote fell well short of the 60 votes required under Senate procedures to start work on the bill. The infrastructure measure is the third in a string of Senate defeats for Obama's stimulus-style jobs agenda, which would be financed by a tax surcharge on the very wealthy.



http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2011-11-03/obama-
infrastructure-bill/51063852/1




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:58 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


And kwickie is quick to post lies and spin, to cover for his lord and savior, once again.

Over $48 BILLION intended for transportation projects, and $27.5 Billion specific to roads and bridges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of
_2009#Transportation


Where'd all that money go ???

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

U.S. infrastructure spending has plummeted since 2008

Now, that’s a chart of all public construction spending, from highways to water projects to public hospitals to schools. So what if we just look at highways and roads? We get this chart:

How did this happen? States and local governments are the biggest part of the story here. They’ve historically provided the vast majority of spending for roads, highways and bridges, and they’ve been pulling back on spending since 2008 as a result of the economic downturn and requirements to balance their budgets. California’s transportation spending declined by 31 percent from 2007 to 2009, for instance. Texas’s fell by 8 percent.

At the same time, Congress hasn’t filled in the gap. There was a one-time $46 billion infusion of transportation spending in the stimulus bill. But that wasn’t enough to offset the drop at the state and local level. Meanwhile, the most recent highway bill out of Congress kept federal spending at current levels rather than increasing it.

We’ve seen various reports arguing that America’s infrastructure is in dire need of an upgrade. The American Society of Civil Engineers gave the nation’s bridges a C+ in its 2013 report card, and said that full repairs would cost $20 billion per year over the next decade, a 60 percent boost in spending. These estimates don’t always take a full account of costs and benefits, but the I-5 collapse will no doubt give these groups more ammo.

And experts say it’s typically cheaper to fix roads and bridges early on rather than wait until they get truly decrepit. That suggests now could be an apt time to invest in repairs, rather than putting them off until later. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/24/u-s-infrast
ructure-spending-has-plummeted-since-2008
/



Raptor's last post doesn't make any sense. He asked "Where'd all that money go ???"--but posted a link to Wikipedia, which details EXACTLY WHERE THE MONEY WENT...???

Here's the Transportation section, verbatim:
Quote:

Department of Transportation-Federal Highway Administration-Highway Infrastructure Investment, Recovery Act $25,830,495,643
Department of Transportation-Federal Transit Administration-Transit Capital Assistance, Recovery Act $6,624,049,951
Department of Transportation-Federal Railroad Administration-Capital Grants to the National Railroad Passenger Corporatio $1,302,101,237
Department of Transportation-Federal Aviation Administration-Grants-in-aid for Airports, Recovery Act $1,074,305,920
Department of Transportation-Office of the Secretary of Transportation-Supplemental Discretionary Grants for a National S $1,067,520,002
Department of Transportation-Federal Railroad Administration-Capital Assistance for High Speed Rail Corridors $1,055,935,249
Department of Transportation-Federal Transit Administration-Fixed Guideway Infrastructure Investment, Recovery Act $704,922,254
[-] Infrastructure $32,072,776,985
Environmental Protection Agency-State and Tribal Assistance Grants, Recovery Act $6,150,985,883
GSA-General Services Administration-Federal Buildings Fund, Recovery Act $4,769,849,362
Department of Commerce-National Telecommunication and Information Administration-Broadband Technology Opportunities Progr $3,002,043,938
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers - civil program financing only-Construction, Recovery Act $2,074,065,707
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers - civil program financing only-Operation and Maintenance, Recovery Act $2,036,576,348
Department of the Army-Operation and Maintenance, Army, Recovery Act $1,347,053,143
USDA-Rural Utilities Service-Distance Learning, Telemedicine, and Broadband Program $1,170,418,927
Department of the Air Force-Operation and Maintenance, Air Force, Recovery Act $1,014,165,314
USDA-Rural Utilities Service-Rural Water and Waste Disposal Program Account $841,944,920
Department of Defense-Military Construction, Defense-wide, Recovery Act $811,710,345
Department of Transportation-Federal Transit Administration-Capital Investment Grants, Recovery Act $748,225,811
USDA-Forest Service-Capital Improvement and Maintenance, Recovery Act $606,010,321
Department of the Navy-Operation and Maintenance, Navy, Recovery Act $554,928,233
Department of the Interior-National Park Service.-Construction and Major Maintenance, Recovery Act $546,142,913
GSA-Federal Buildings Fund $426,586,906
Department of the Interior-Indian Affairs (Assistant Secretary)-Construction, Recovery Act $400,770,264
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers - civil program financing only-Mississippi River and Tributaries, Recovery Act $364,518,841
TRICARE Management Activity-Defense Health Program, Recovery Act $335,920,352
Department of Commerce-National Telecommunication and Information Administration-Digital-to-Analog Converter Box Program, $333,358,671
Department of Commerce-National Institute of Standards and Technology-Construction of Research Facilities, Recovery Act $325,667,075
National Science Foundation-Major Research and Equipment and Facilities Construction $276,877,520
National Guard Bureau, Office of the Chief- Operation and Maintenance, Army National Guard, Recovery Act $263,751,107
USDA-Natural Resources Conservation Service-Watershed and Flood Prevention Operations, Recovery Act $262,833,340
Department of the Navy-Military Construction, Navy, Recovery Act $256,924,027
Department of Commerce-National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration-Procurement, Acquisition, and Construction, Recove $244,458,233
Department of State-U.S. and Mexico International Boundary and Water Commission-Construction, IBWC, Recovery Act $208,010,896
Department of Transportation-Federal Aviation Administration-Facilities and Equipment, Recovery Act $195,213,809
Department of the Army-Military Construction, Army, Recovery Act $172,409,088
Department of the Air Force-Military Construction, Air Force, Recovery Act $167,550,756
USDA-Agricultural Research Service-Buildings and Facilities, Recovery Act $158,584,366
Department of State-Capital Investment Fund, Recovery Act $142,275,998
Department of Homeland Security-U.S. Coast Guard-Alteration of Bridges, Recovery Act $142,000,000
Department of the Interior-Bureau of Land Management-Construction, Recovery Act $139,387,896
Department of Commerce-Economic Development Administration-Economic Development Assistance Programs, Recovery Act $135,497,657
USDA-Rural Business Cooperative Service-Rural Business Program Account $132,551,696
Department of the Interior-U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service-Construction, Recovery Act $107,649,803
U.S. Marine Corps-Operation and Maintenance, Marine Corps, Recovery Act $103,665,521
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers - civil program financing only-Formerly Utilized Sites Remedial Action Program, Recovery Act $99,500,043
USDA-Rural Housing Service-Rural Community Facilities Program Account $98,363,244
Department of Transportation-Maritime Administration-Assistance to Small Shipyards, Recovery Act $94,530,479
U.S. Army Reserve Command-Operation and Maintenance, Army Reserve, Recovery Act $94,344,979
Department of Homeland Security-U.S. Coast Guard-Acquisition, Construction, and Improvements $94,214,054
Federal Communications Commission-Digital-to-Analog Converter Box Program, Recovery Act $62,238,569
Air National Guard-Military Construction, Air National Guard, Recovery Act $49,861,836
Department of Defense-U.S. Army Corps Of Engineers - Construction $49,491,838
Department of Veterans Affairs-Under Secretary for Memorial Affairs / National Cemetery System-National Cemetery Administ $47,424,997
National Guard Bureau, Office of the Chief- Military Construction, Army National Guard $45,379,130
Naval Reserve Force-Operation and Maintenance, Navy Reserve, Recovery Act $44,988,504
Department of Defense-Working Capital Fund $42,234,447
USDA-Natural Resources Conservation Service-Watershed Rehabilitation Program, Recovery Act $40,566,060
U.S. Marine Corps-Operation and Maintenance, Marine Corps Reserve, Recovery Act $38,034,811
Federal Communications Commission-Broadband Technology Opportunities Program, Recovery Act $35,315,010
Smithsonian Institution-Facilities Capital, Recovery Act $25,000,000
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers - civil program financing only-Regulatory Program, Recovery Act $24,694,069
USDA-Office of the Secretary of Agriculture-Agriculture Buildings and Facilities and Rental Payments $23,778,666
Air National Guard-Operation and Maintenance, Air National Guard, Recovery Act $23,152,000
Department of the Navy- Operations and Maintenance, Navy $16,810,891
Department of Housing and Urban Development-Working Capital Fund - Recovery Act $14,639,089
Headquarters, Air Force Reserve-Operation and Maintenance, Air Force Reserve, Recovery Act $10,791,816
Department of Energy-Bonneville Power Marketing Administration-Construction, Rehabilitation, Operation and Maintenance We $9,865,148
Department of Veterans Affairs-Immediate Office of the Assist. Sec. - Info. & Technology-Information Technology Systems, $5,597,409
Working Capital Fund, Transportation Systems Center $4,245,102
Department of Defense-U.S. Army Corps Of Engineers - Operations and Maintenance $3,601,274
Department of State-Working Capital Fund $3,528,533


Duh?

We've seen the infrastructure/roads/transportation aspect at work in the Bay Area for ages; they've repaved roads, rebuilt roads that were literally falling down, retrofitted bridges...the signs are all around, if one just opens one's eyes and LOOKS at them...

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Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


To begin with, the bridge that collapsed had NOTHING to do with infrastructure...does he not realize this? From the article I posted above:
Quote:

It’s worth being very clear upfront that the I-5 bridge in question wasn’t considered “structurally deficient” in any way — the bridge collapse is being blamed on a truck bumping an overhead girder.

Does he not know this; is he being disingenuous; or did he just grab the photo "'cuz"??

As far as "regions and states that received ample stimulus funding for building roads and bridges had equally high unemployment rates as areas that didn't get cash from the $787 billion recovery package", I'm afraid I'd need some facts and figures to show that the two directly correlated--in other words, if that's too complex, to show that the states and regions which received stimulus funds wouldn't be in WORSE shape if they hadn't received that stimulus, which helped keep them above water until things turned around. If he'd offer any such facts, maybe we could debate the issue...?

Otherwise, the concept that our infrastructure is in really bad shape, and that repairing it creates jobs and BENEFITS US ALL OVER THE LONG HAUL, plus the fact that we've ignored and under-funded our infrastructure dramatically for years, isn't really something to debate, it's just FACTS. So what is his point, or does he have one??


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Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Niki - money poorly spent , obviously.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
And kwickie is quick to post lies and spin...




What "lies" did I post? Be specific. Show me what I posted that is factually incorrect, and then show that I *KNEW* it to be incorrect when I posted it, because that is what has been decided upon as a "lie" around here. As has so often been claimed (even by you, if memory serves), if a person doesn't KNOW something is untrue when they repeat it, then it cannot be considered a "lie".


So what did I post that meets your own definition of a "lie"?

Or is it just a "lie" when it conflicts with your beliefs?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Niki - money poorly spent , obviously.




Nobody who still supports the Iraq War gets to lecture anyone about how to spend money, ever, dipshit.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, May 26, 2013 3:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Niki - money poorly spent , obviously.




Nobody who still supports the Iraq War gets to lecture anyone about how to spend money, ever, dipshit.




Yeah I do. One has zero to do w/ the other.

Money intended to be spent on roads and bridges from the stimulus plan has scarcely been spent on ... roads and bridges.

Do we pay attention to roads and bridges now?

" U.S. According to Federal Highway Administration records examined by Bloomberg News last year, about 18,000 American bridges are classified as fracture-critical, meaning a failure of one part of the structure would probably cause a portion or the entire bridge to collapse. "

http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=a7d06550-479b-4bc1-9aba-9814e3
a505d6



Gee. who became President in '08?



Looks as if Bush was doing his part in keeping up roads and bridges ( Thanks, Niki )


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

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Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Rap twists himself into such a pretzel, it's gone way beyond amusing straight into pathetic, and stuck there. So when BUSH spent money on infrastructure, it was good. OBAMA wanting to spend money on infrastructure can ONLY be "wasted" money...

I won't bother further, it's just too absurd to even address.


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Monday, May 27, 2013 11:33 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Shovel-ready jobs again? Well there is one thing Obama's good at shovelin'.

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Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


...and there went any effort (if there ever WAS any "intent") at "discussion"...


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Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:05 AM

JONGSSTRAW


cluck cluck cluck

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Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:20 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Do you, or anyone else, even know what that MEANS?

It means nothing. It has no meaning. You're de-meaning yourself, little one...




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Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:28 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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