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Friday, June 14, 2013 3:19 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


What's with the constant sexist war against PM Julia Gillard?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22900880

Is it the 21st century over there or what??

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Friday, June 14, 2013 4:34 AM

BYTEMITE


Oh man, I'd heard about this from Magons, it's crazy. Although I think in part that the opposition party is basically the Australian equivalent of a right wing group with MUCH stronger views against women in the work force than we can see among some of our right wing folks (like Wulf and Jack).

So I'm not sure that this is really representative of the country entire, or even of the right wing globally.

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Friday, June 14, 2013 5:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I have heard from ppl who have spent time in Ozzieland that there is a very different male-female dynamic there. The guys tend to be fairly macho- they hunt, they drink, they play and watch sports- and they do this together a lot. There are a lot of activities that draw men together, so men tend to hang out with men and women tend to hang out with women. That's the (American male) perspective. The (American female) perspective is that many (but not all!) Australian men are boorish, arrogant, sexist assholes and that a lot of Australian women try to be like the guys. Don't know the truth of it, but would sure like to find out!

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Friday, June 14, 2013 11:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
What's with the constant sexist war against PM Julia Gillard?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22900880

Is it the 21st century over there or what??



He was fine in posing the topic, if that's how he wanted to use his time w/ her, but good grief, after she deals w/ the nonsense, the guy goes back and flatly asks, is her partner gay.

Juvenile, buffoonish and a bit moronic, but 'sexist' ? I didn't see it. It's one thing to merely bring up the issue, as he did, with the angle that "others " are saying this, but once she's answered, why keep pushing ?

Are barbers 'gay' too ? Or it's only when they're called 'hair dressers' do we suspect they're gay ?

That guy looked like an amateur, and got what he deserved, imo.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Friday, June 14, 2013 11:48 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
What's with the constant sexist war against PM Julia Gillard?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22900880

Is it the 21st century over there or what??



And she said, "Do you come from a land down under?

Where women glow and men plunder?

Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?

You better run, you better take cover"




"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, June 14, 2013 12:20 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


yep, I'm embarressed.....

I've posted about this behaviour before.

Please note that this disgraceful misogyny comes from the right wing of politics and is in the vein of Karl Rove et al. who cannot comprehend the thought of a childless, atheist PM who chooses to live with her hairdresser male partner, rather than marry him.

Politics is toxic here, which is why I post on an American site. Your politics is also toxic, but its not mine to deal with.

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Friday, June 14, 2013 12:29 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Those sheilas will just ruin your day.

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Friday, June 14, 2013 12:45 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
yep, I'm embarressed.....

I've posted about this behaviour before.

Please note that this disgraceful misogyny comes from the right wing of politics and is in the vein of Karl Rove et al. who cannot comprehend the thought of a childless, atheist PM who chooses to live with her hairdresser male partner, rather than marry him.



Hell, when you say it like that, I can't help but think there may be some truth to him being gay now.

Quote:



Politics is toxic here, which is why I post on an American site. Your politics is also toxic, but its not mine to deal with.



Remember when Liza Minnelli 'married' David Gest ?

I'm just sayin'.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, June 14, 2013 12:52 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Hell, when you say it like that, I can't help but think there may be some truth to him being gay now.

Haha! Auraptor's nothing if not a team player.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, June 14, 2013 12:56 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Juvenile, buffoonish and a bit moronic, but 'sexist' ? I didn't see it.

I'm suggesting that the actions were motivated by sexism, if not explicitly sexist. That guy would never have asked such a stupid and insulting question to a male prime minister.

Some explicit sexism directed at her, from earlier this week:

Quote:

Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard has said a menu for an opposition party fundraiser that made crude comments about her body was "grossly sexist".

It offered up "Julia Gillard Kentucky Fried Quail - Small Breasts, Huge Thighs and a Big Red Box".

The menu was for a dinner for Liberal National Party candidate Mal Brough - the restaurateur later said it had been "a joke" and was not used at the meal.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22878887

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, June 14, 2013 1:00 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Juvenile, buffoonish and a bit moronic, but 'sexist' ? I didn't see it.

I'm suggesting that the actions were motivated by sexism, if not explicitly sexist. That guy would never have asked such a stupid and insulting question to a male prime minister.

It's not personal. It's just war.



Well, inappropriate if the guy is indeed not gay. If he IS gay...

If the PM were male, and living w/ a girl hairdresser, of course she'd be hot AND sexy.

Duh !

Changes things completely !




Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, June 14, 2013 1:08 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Well, inappropriate if the guy is indeed not gay. If he IS gay...

No, it's stupid to even speculate based only on the evidence of him 'being a hairdresser'.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, June 14, 2013 1:16 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


By the by, I have to say she handled the situation well in that interview - staying calm and answering the question even as she dismissed it as absurd.

But I also see that the right-wing Aussie press is predictably calling her a 'Prime Victim', and accusing her of being 'divisive' on this issue. Yeah, it's her fault.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, June 14, 2013 1:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
By the by, I have to say she handled the situation well in that interview - staying calm and answering the question even as she dismissed it as absurd.

But I also see that the right-wing Aussie press is predictably calling her a 'Prime Victim', and accusing her of being 'divisive' on this issue. Yeah, it's her fault.

It's not personal. It's just war.



Well, she IS the one w/ the house boy, after all.

*poke*

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, June 14, 2013 3:53 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Jongs, The Flight of the Conchord might have been funnier if it has had sound. Love those guys, btw. You and i might actually have something in common if we don't talk politics.

Re Gillard's treatment, it IS sexism. No male PM has ever been subjected to such treatment by the media. No male politician is ever even asked about their partners, who don't feature in the same way in Aus politics. ie no first lady (or man) roles here.

I think Gillard breaks the unspoken rules of conservatism in politics, that you should ideally be a white, married with children male, preferably Christian (although not as important here as in the US - we prefer our Christians to keep quiet about their views). Everything else feels abhorent to conservatives, or at least 'not quite right' hence the questioning.

It comes in the same week as the menu scandal, and in some ways I'm pleased that it has received attention and international attention. I'm hoping it shames these extremists elements who don't represent the views of all Australians, and not the majority, into behaviour change, and it highlights the nasty underbelly of views that the right holds and supports, overtly or through their tolerance. We have an election coming up and despite our country being in possibly the best economic state of any country in the world, we are constantly being told that the Gillard government is a disaster. Not that they haven't had their flaws, but disaster I don't think.

I note for the record that while both sides of politics displays its fair share of vitriol, the personal attacks, deliberate and hystericalstrawman arguments comes overwhelmingly from the right. I see that in the media, from these boards and in my own circle of friends.

Thanks for posting KPO>


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Friday, June 14, 2013 4:45 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Jongs, The Flight of the Conchord might have been funnier if it has had sound. Love those guys, btw. You and i might actually have something in common if we don't talk politics.


I tried several times to post three different "Keitha" segments from Flight, but none of them appeared on my screen for some reason. Something's not right with my computer or perhaps the site. FOTC was a rare gem of a show. I love the one with Lucy Lawless, the Prime Minister, the celebrity sheep, and the hair gel. Also the Art Garfunkle one.

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Friday, June 14, 2013 4:59 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Thanks for reminding me. I must catch up again on this show.

A bit back to the PM (sorry about that)

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One thing no one can dispute about the prime ministership of Julia Gillard is the impact a woman's elevation to the top job has had on political discourse.

In the three years Ms Gillard has been in the top job we have managed to plummet to ever lower depths in the way we discuss the prime minister.

When she was first sworn in Ms Gillard probably thought the worst of it would be too much focus on her hair and clothes and endless requests for interviews with herself and partner Tim Mathieson about life at The Lodge.
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Such a scenario seems almost quaint now given we inhabit a landscape where people feel it is okay to appear at protests holding signs calling the Prime Minister a witch, a bitch and a liar; where radio hosts feel it is okay to mock the death of her father; and where restaurant owners feel it is okay to produce ''joke'' menus referring to her body parts.

These are public events where people are either known or are visible and can, to some extent, be held to account for their actions.

Venture into the murky world of the internet and it's an even more vicious and revolting place.

If you don't believe me check out the widely circulated speech former Labor staffer and feminist Anne Summers gave last year in which she documented the unrelenting barrage of abuse that has come Ms Gillard's way.

So why are we particularly surprised that another pernicious radio host has decided to ask the Prime Minister about her sex life?

Because this is pretty much what Howard Sattler did when he interviewed Ms Gillard on Fairfax-owned Perth station 6PR on Thursday afternoon.

Imagine what would happen if, as someone suggested on Twitter a short time ago, a radio host asked Opposition Leader Tony Abbott if his wife was a lesbian.

Or if a television interviewer asked Treasurer Wayne Swan about his sex life.

Would they even try? I suspect not because men don't do that to other men.

Mr Sattler's questions are shocking but not surprising.

His ''excuse'' was that there are rumours that he wanted to clear up.

Bollocks.

This is just another example of a man unable to cope with the idea of a powerful woman and subjecting her to treatment he would never dream of meting out to a man.

Rumours fly around about all sorts of public figures, particularly those in politics – affairs, children born after a one-night stand, fake marriages etc etc etc.

It's the flip side of the celebrity obsessed world we live in, where politics has become increasingly ''presidential'' and focused on personalities to represent parties and ideals.

I've been covering politics since John Howard's prime ministership and I cannot recall a time when either he or the man who replaced him, Kevin Rudd, was ever subjected to anything that approaches similar treatment.

Was Mr Howard ever asked about the intimate details of his marriage? Was Mr Rudd? No.

The worst example I can think of during either man's time as prime minister was when Mr Rudd's wife, Therese Rein, was photographed without her permission by a weekly women's magazine while she was at the gym.

Even then it was Ms Rein who copped the attention, not her husband.

Greens leader Christine Milne also attracts a far amount of distasteful attention.

Is this because all three women are strong, successful, forthright women who forged careers that made them trail blazers?

Do they get this kind of attention because they do not fit the incredibly outdated idea of what a woman should be and how she should act?

Anyone who answers ''no'' probably thinks the Prime Minister made too big a deal over the vile menu, that it was just a joke and her overreaction shows why women aren't really cut out for powerful, high-profile jobs.

It is this kind of treatment that explains why women respond so strongly to Ms Gillard and why it is complicated to hold Ms Gillard up as some kind of feminist icon.

Many women can identify with the kind of treatment Ms Gillard receives because it is so endemic in our society.

Just look at the ongoing saga of the way women are treated in the military.

It is possible to be sympathetic to the way Ms Gillard is treated while not agreeing with a single one of her policies.

Sexism is not a political issue. Neither are manners, respect and courtesy.

As so many people say all the time: do unto others as you would have them do to you.

Even if that person is a woman and the prime minister.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/uneasiness-about-a-woman-in-
power-unleashes-a-sexist-maelstrom-20130614-2o82e.html#ixzz2WFX3wene


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Friday, June 14, 2013 8:33 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Monday, July 29, 2024 5:37 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


the 21st Century thought flying Gay Lesbian flags would make the Taliban more Democratic...then Kabul started to fall

and


Julia Gillard party

LATIKA M BOURKE: Labor shelves long-held ambition for Australia to become a republic
https://thenightly.com.au/politics/labor-shelves-long-held-ambition-fo
r-australia-to-become-a-republic--c-15514340



Is Aus so hip and cool and modern, is the Aussie in the new Western politics of the 21st century ...maybe not but it is also highly infiltrated by Transnational globalists, Marxists, it remains under influences CIA propaganda, the British Empire and as we seen during Covid and Corona Lockdowns it is still a prison colony


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Friday, August 30, 2024 5:32 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


after all they took away guns and had the military enforce Covid lockdowns

prison colony 2 point 0

Mining boss opposes staff leaving office for coffee
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdey4zzl529o
Workers who leave the head office to buy a cup of coffee are costing an Australian mining firm too much money, according to its boss.

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Monday, November 18, 2024 7:52 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Indigenous senator who yelled 'You are not our king' at Charles III is censured in Australia

https://apnews.com/article/king-charles-canberra-australia-lidia-thorp
e-2b8d6ce8bcaa14ee5fe10a719a7790d0

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Saturday, November 23, 2024 7:59 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


China and the West who has more Freedoms?


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