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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Lest we forget, Zimmerman has changed his little story at least five times now, including an admission of flat out lying in the official report, so it's not like there's any credibility to be had when he opens his mouth anyways.

His ORIGINAL bullshit story was getting out to check a street sign and being jumped from behind by surprise out of the blue for no reason by Martin, despite the obvious fact that given he was FOLLOWING Martin he kinda had him in sight and in front of him, and that story further came to pieces on the call logs, whereupon Zimmerman changed his tale, and than again when THAT version was proven a lie... and so forth and so on - frankly I feel that he damned well ought to face additional charges for knowingly giving a false police report and possibly for perjury as well, as he's made statements under oath proven to be not only demonstrably false, but also that he knew at the time were false.

No, being a stupid jackass isn't a crime - murdering someone out of wounded pride cause of a situation YOU sent spiraling out of control to feed your goddamn ego, and then lying about it repeatedly.... that *IS*.

-Frem

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
... be great entertainment watching big cities burn down and property destroyed as rioters and looters run amok through the streets. But the best part of course, will be watching the faces of the race-mongering media pundits as they cover the aftermath of the monster they solely created.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I despair of your laws in the US if this guy gets off with nothing. If you shot and killed an unarmed person, if even you were defending yourself, you'd get convicted of something - manslaughter most likely. Surely there has to be acknowledge of due force, not any force.

Anyway, trial will determine the outcome, right or wrong.

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In Florida as soon as you fear for your life you are allowed to use lethal force. It does not matter if the other person is armed or not.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Such an inanely broad, unfocused law. By that logic, someone with agoraphobia could kill a whole bunch of people at a mall or something, and claim they were scared.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
The whole IDEA is to make it broad. Just keep in mind that it's part of ALEC working in MANY states to create laws that will encourage people to buy guns. That's all the explanation you need to understand the "why" of the law.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Thanks, Frem. I'm very relieved.

If you are at close range and shoot me anywhere in the torso
with a hollow-point, what are my chances of survival?

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So once again we have our so called protectors deliberately causing chaos and carnage to justify their own existence, and the fifth estate helping them instead of shutting them down

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Such an inanely broad, unfocused law. By that logic, someone with agoraphobia could kill a whole bunch of people at a mall or something, and claim they were scared.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
If I recall your posts last year, Frem ... didn't you say that

Zimmerman wouldn't be able to keep his mouth shut, and he'd

convict himself by blab?

By now, I guess, there's no way his attorney would let him take

the stand.

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Depends on whether his attorney really means to defend him, or intends to take a dive on purpose, and there's also what an idiot Zimmerman is, as he's fired at least one attorney rather than listen to his advice about shutting the fuck up - my exact comment was thus:

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See, from a prosecution angle, all you have to do is get this guy on the stand and start poking his fragile ego, and he'll ruin himself, lickety split - and worse, he will WANT to do it, just as his pride and ego forced that confrontation, demanded that he shoot, it will push him to tell his side of the story and "dress it up" in some logically inconsistent way that will allow a prosecutor with even a peanut for a brain (which is most of em) to completely excoriate his ass. So even if he gets a decent attorney, chances are he will no more listen to them about shutting the fuck up and staying off the stand, than he did the police dispatcher telling him not to pursue.

Really, guys like this, all you have to do is hand them a shovel, you understand ?

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And in respect to Geezers stupid bullshit, one could say that's prettymuch what happened to Martin, couldn't they ? and somehow you don't have much a problem with THAT, do you - careful, you're true colors are showing.

I have ever maintained that Zimmerman is MORALLY guilty, and whether or not he is LEGALLY guilty needs be determined by a court, but since we all seem to know damn well our so-called-justice system is nothing but a fucking rubber stamp for the prison profit machine, wailing about it now does much of nothing, and again, I didn't see any fucking bitching when it railroaded kids and minorities, so maybe you should just fly that white sheet as a flag instead of wearing it, right Geeze ?

Me personally, I got an attitude about this cause it demeans MY work and profession, that which puts food on MY table, so yeah verily imma take it a bit more harsh than most would.

-Frem

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The whole concept of imperfect defense rather than proportionate response provides legal justification to rapidly escalate any situation into violence, in which both parties can claim the same defense. But only the survivor can apply the defense and "win". Therefore, the lesson becomes: Leave no survivors.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Zimmerman's a piece of crap, but I expect he's going to be free by Friday or early next week. Some people are saying they expect riots and buildings set ablaze in large urban areas. In that case I'll just sit back on my couch and watch it all on tv with a large bag of buttered popcorn and some cold beers. Should be great entertainment watching big cities burn down and property destroyed as rioters and looters run amok through the streets. But the best part of course, will be watching the faces of the race-mongering media pundits as they cover the aftermath of the monster they solely created.

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Originally posted by PIRATENEWS:
Emotions Run High After MSNBC "Mistakenly" Shows Photo of Trayvon Martin's Dead Body www.christianpost.com/news/emotions-run-high-after-msnbc-mistakenly-sh
ows-photo-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body-99978/ http://gawker.com/this-courtesy-of-msnbc-is-trayvon-martins-dead-body-
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

The libtard commies think this photo of one dead burgler is gonna get the blackies to kill da whities for da jooies. I doubt blacks r dat stoopid, since they dont like black burglers robbing blacks either and Zimmerman is a black mexican joo.






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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Well, what's pissin me off about it is that the whole matter has gone far far beyond anything Zimmerman did or didn't do cause of factors external to the incident.

Firstly, there's the propaganda campaign playing both sides, riling them up and setting them at each others throats by either pandering to latent fear and racism, or alternatively stoking the outrage of folks who have perhaps some right to be, but doing so for nefarious purpose.
This isn't just the usual ratings based controversy bullshit either, this is deliberate participation and manipulation.

Now, I hold the First Amendment a little dearer than most, as I am of the mind yes you can yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, but should you do so you are then responsible for the CONSEQUENCES which result from that action - and while unlikely, I think the major media outlets should be held accountable for their part in trying to forment a situation which could spark civil unrest.

The rest of it is that there's been so much bullshit - as I pointed out initially, and was proven out on later, Zimm was a cop-wannabe and ass-kisser, and since cops love to have their fucking egos stroked, they tried to cover this shit up for him.
Most likely that was the officers who's asses he was kissin, and perhaps without the knowledge or participation of their superiors, but it is what it is, an attempted coverup, which makes THEM additionally culpable, but since of course they're treated as little tin gods immune to accountability that lets them off the hook and encourages both society and a jury to take it all out on Zimmerman, which isn't really fair.

Then there's the homeowners org letting a nutter like that self-appoint as security despite having an obvious agenda and blatant mental issues, which are SO obvious as to be undeniable, as many of you have noticed - which also begs the question of who the hell cleared this guy for CCW, when he is obviously a potential danger with one ?
But no, it ALL falls on Zimm, even shit that ain't his fault, cause everyone else slithers away from being held properly accountable.

On the OTHER side, is the USDOJ financing some of the protest marches out of their CRS fund during the period from Mar25-Apr12 2012, while one could look at it as providing a release vent and putting it under official sanction to avoid trouble starting, a more cynical eye would perhaps wonder if whipping up a frenzy and then stepping aside when things go to hell might be yet another manufactured "incident" to justify their own existence.
(Documentation now available via Judicial Watch)

Plus there is prosecutorial misconduct, not least of which is a little sleight of hand with discovery, and shifty tricks like the one I broke down regarding hollowpoint loads.

Much as it disgusts me, this compromises any concept of a Fair Trial, and begrudgingly with gritted teeth I admin that *SHOULD* mean a walkaway... but of course our so called Justice system is so rigged up this way that it's hard to feel sympathy for a guy like Zimm when folks are dropshot 24-7 for far less, and often blatantly innocent - where was this sympathy when those two PA Judges were ruining kids lives like a goddamn assembly line, you know ?

What SHOULD happen now, in a better world than ours...
Zimm cops an Alford Plea(1) by virtue of his belief that he was acting properly under the law, and the court takes this into account and convicts him of manslaughter with minimal or suspended sentence - because factually the purpose of all this is to make sure his dumb ass pays for the crime and ensure he is unlikely to do it again.
Well pulling his CCW and smacking a criminal charge on his background blacklists him from any position where that would be likely, and frankly I think the fact that he's been made a whipping boy and bit of a laughingstock by all this, along with the punitive financial burden of defending himself, is a pretty solid punishment right there given that the inevitable civil suit against him by Martins family is gonna pauperize him.

Of course, that is unlikely cause of the latent unfairness and chicanery of our current system, and there's also that if the USDOJ is trying to wind up an incident they might "lean on" the prosecutor, judge and jury members in order to get what they want - given how cherry picked that jury was left me suspicious from the get-go, to be honest.

So really, there's no "Justice" to be had here either way, and THAT more than anything else pisses me off.

-Frem
(1) Alford Plea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alford_plea

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Fla. mom gets 20 years for firing warning shots

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for
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What color is Fla. mom?

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I bet that if Trayvon Martin had lived, and been able to testify on his own behalf, and say that he had been attacked, this trial would have gone a lot longer, and probably would have different results.

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I bet that if Trayvon Martin had lived, and been able to testify on his own behalf, and say that he had been attacked, this trial would have gone a lot longer, and probably would have different results.

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One difference would have been that Zimmerman wouldn't have beed charged with murder and manslaughter under that hypothetical.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
But Rose, it's JONG; the way he is now, did you expect something cogent?

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:

Thank you for taking my point and turning it into something else. I just can't get enough of that. [insert sarcmark here]

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Not really. There's a reason I post here about once a month instead of daily, now. I was, however, thinking that someone might have some response that actually addressed what I have pointed out about the way trials work and the laws encouraging murder and discouraging warnings or wounds.

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:

*sigh* Duh. But, as we can learn from reading about the woman in Florida who was charged with attempted murder for discharging her weapon and not killing or hitting anyone (which is, in part, what I was trying to draw attention to) apparently the minimum sentence for that is still twenty years.

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:

Thank you for taking my point and turning it into something else. I just can't get enough of that. [insert sarcmark here]

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Remembering the pics you've posted here, I'll bet you can't get enough donuts either. [not sarcasm]

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