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Obama has used Saul Alinksy's "Rules For Radicals" as his bible and blueprint for destroying America since day one. Five years later, he's giving speeches that are racially divisive. And he's still out there campaigning instead of leading, blaming Republicans every day for his own staggering failures.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Obama has used Saul Alinksy's "Rules For Radicals" as his bible and blueprint for destroying America since day one. Five years later, he's giving speeches that are racially divisive. And he's still out there campaigning instead of leading, blaming Republicans every day for his own staggering failures.

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And since Obama took office the right-wing media has gone into overdrive on stories with a racial theme.

Do you think the two could be related?

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And since Obama took office the right-wing media has gone into overdrive on stories with a racial theme.

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So what do you consider "the right-wing media"?

Do you think that the "right-wing media" has such an influence on Black Americans that their favorable view of race relations had dropped for 63% to 38% since the beginning of Pres. Obama's first term?

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And since Obama took office the right-wing media has gone into overdrive on stories with a racial theme.

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And since Obama took office the right-wing media has gone into overdrive on stories with a racial theme.

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So what do you consider "the right-wing media"?

Do you think that the "right-wing media" has such an influence on Black Americans that their favorable view of race relations had dropped for 63% to 38% since the beginning of Pres. Obama's first term?

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You think black Americans are too ignorant to see the difference between how outlets like Faux news treated W and how they've treated O?

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Certainly problems persist, but the improvement is beyond obvious. So go on, surprise me. Explain exactly how O is destroying America. Be sure to include that part where O's jackboots knocked down your door and took all your guns, and then how he brought in Sharia law, being a closet African Muslim America-hating terrorist and all.

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And since Obama took office the right-wing media has gone into overdrive on stories with a racial theme.

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And since Obama took office the right-wing media has gone into overdrive on stories with a racial theme.

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So what do you consider "the right-wing media"?

Do you think that the "right-wing media" has such an influence on Black Americans that their favorable view of race relations had dropped for 63% to 38% since the beginning of Pres. Obama's first term?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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So what do you consider "the right-wing media"?

Do you think that the "right-wing media" has such an influence on Black Americans that their favorable view of race relations had dropped for 63% to 38% since the beginning of Pres. Obama's first term?

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I think the extent of the fierce, crazed, irrational hostility and resistance towards the nation's first black president has not gone unnoticed by the black community. This and the recent Zimmerman verdict is ample explanation for me.

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What do you think? Has Obama done much to turn black people against white people, or vice-versa? If so what exactly has he done?

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And once again, who is the "right-wing media"? Fox News?

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What do you think? Has Obama done much to turn black people against white people, or vice-versa? If so what exactly has he done?


From commentaries I've seen, I think that many Black people supported and voted for Pres. Obama expecting him to spend more time on improving their lot, and are disturbed when he instead bails out big corporations and gets involved in conflicts overseas.

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And once again, who is the "right-wing media"? Fox News?

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I never made the point that black people have been influenced by the right-wing media. No, right-wing people have, mostly white, and the resulting hostility generated towards Obama has been noticed by black people. Hence, black people say race relations are worse.

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From commentaries I've seen, I think that many Black people supported and voted for Pres. Obama expecting him to spend more time on improving their lot, and are disturbed when he instead bails out big corporations and gets involved in conflicts overseas.

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You studiously avoided my question there, and answered a different one. Has Obama done much to turn black people against white people, or vice-versa? If so what exactly has he done?

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But since enough white people supported Obama to get him elected to a second term, wouldn't that support counteract the hostility

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Then again, how would this account for the decrease in whites with a favorable opinion of race relations?

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"You studiously avoided my question there, and answered a different one."

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Just interested to see who YOU think "right-wing media" are.

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Can't help but notice how the poll #'s are NOT being discussed here. NBC / WSJ are such right wing strong holds...

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Can't help but notice how the poll #'s are NOT being discussed here. NBC / WSJ are such right wing strong holds...

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Poll-denialism is the province of the right Rap. Did you learn nothing from the predictions thread? :-)

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And since Obama took office the right-wing media has gone into overdrive on stories with a racial theme.

Do you think the two could be related?

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Can't help but notice how the poll #'s are NOT being discussed here.

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What, you expecting us to deny the numbers? Nah, that's the right's thing.

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So, the grown ups are more interested in discussing the *whys* of the situation, rather than dwelling on numbers telling us what we already knew.

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Maybe they thought all the racist emails, the effigies, the coded language... were somehow going to go unnoticed.

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Maybe they thought all the racist emails, the effigies, the coded language... were somehow going to go unnoticed.

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Maybe they assume we're as stupid and gullible as they are.

Means they won't see it coming.

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If my intentions ain't clear by now, yer even dumber than advertised, and that... is a damn sad thing.

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But since enough white people supported Obama to get him elected to a second term, wouldn't that support counteract the hostility

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The right-wing media playing lots of racially charged stories to its largely white audience - you're confused over how this contributes negatively to perceptions of race relations?

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Huh? Look at the title of the thread. I asked you (in your opinion), "Has Obama done much to turn black people against white people, or vice-versa?" You don't want to answer it, that's fine. But it's not an unfair question. Maybe think about why you can't answer it.

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Well I don't see how this question is pertinent to the thread if mine wasn't, but: Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, Breitbart etc. is what I had in mind as right-wing media. I don't know what answer you were hoping for here.

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As long as they believe that the only thing that affects race relations in this country is the "right-wing media"

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You might also consider that the non-"right-wing media" coverage of the Martin/Zimmerman story didn't really help reduce racial tensions.

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No. I'm confused by your belief that the "right-wing media" have so much power that there need be no other reason for negative perceptions of race relations.

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I think that you're missing the issue here relating to the president. It isn't whether Pres. Obama is turning Blacks against whites, but whether he is meeting the expectations - placed on him by many of the black and white people who voted for him - that he would take positive steps to improve race relations and the conditions of minorities

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I think that you're missing the issue here relating to the president. It isn't whether Pres. Obama is turning Blacks against whites, but whether he is meeting the expectations - placed on him by many of the black and white people who voted for him - that he would take positive steps to improve race relations and the conditions of minorities

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What does this have to do with race relations? Finish your line of reasoning. Expectations of Obama improving the lot of minorities are not met. So what? Do black people consequently get angry at white people? Because they've been disappointed by Obama?? Let's suppose Obama had really made an effort to enact policies with disproportionate economic benefit for minorities. Do you think THAT would have improved race relations?

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So aren't you saying that the "right" has control of race relations?

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I'm unhappy that you stick your head in the "It's all the right-wing medias fault, and there's nothing we can do" sand

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SO it's not just the "right-wing media" causing the problem after all?

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I'm not saying that this is the entire reason for a worsening in race relations

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Only 52 percent of whites and 38 percent of blacks have a favorable opinion of race relations in the country, according to the poll, which has tracked race relations since 1994 and was conducted in mid-July by Hart Research Associations and Public Opinion Strategies.

That’s a sharp drop from the beginning of Obama’s first term, when 79 percent of whites and 63 percent of blacks held a favorable view of American race relations.

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So aren't you saying that the "right" has control of race relations?

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That there's nothing folks in the center or left can do to improve them? You sure haven't suggested anything.

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I just can't figure out where you're even coming from here. I'm blaming the right for rocking the boat; you're accusing me of going easy on the left and the centre for failing to hold it steady... The lengths you go to excuse and ignore and equivocate away the wrongdoings of the right is truly mindblowing. Truly.

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Let's be clear - I never said my side does nothing to combat the racial discord. Look at the recent racially-charged thread started by Jongs about a gang of black teens in Baltimore (and joined in by Auraptor, a few days after he started this thread). An example of how the right-wing media's influence reaches us all:

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SO it's not just the "right-wing media" causing the problem after all?

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Right from the beginning of this discussion I have listed two main factors for worsened race relations, the right-wing media over the past several years, and the Zimmerman verdict more recently.

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I'm not saying that this is the entire reason for a worsening in race relations

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What you are saying, so far, doesn't make any sense. Race relations is to do with the relations between different races. You are talking about black people being sore at Pres. Obama - and calling that 'bad race relations'. Please follow your line of reasoning to a point where it MAKES SENSE. How does poor/unimproved economic conditions for minorities, and black people being upset with Obama, translate to bad relations between white folk and black folk etc.?

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So you're back to faltering race relations being solely due to "right-wing media"?

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I'm noting that you seem to think that the left and center have nothing to do with shaping opinions on race relations either way,

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Jongs cited an article from the local CBS affiliate. So is CBS "right-wing media" now?

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They then look at who has gained benefit from Pres. Obama, and they see corporations and businesses run mostly by, guess who, rich white guys. Obviously, they're not gonna love the rich white guys, and will sour somewhat on white guys in general.

Liberal whites, who see this, are gonna realize that race relations are taking a hit.

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If you expect that the only thing that affects race relations is folks screaming "Lynch the coons" or "Get Whitey", that seems sort of one-dimensional to me.

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So you're back to faltering race relations being solely due to "right-wing media"?

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No, the boat analogy was to explain to you how one side can theoretically be responsible for worsening race relations without necessarily being 'in charge' of them. Having said that, remove the Zimmerman case from the picture and yes, that is pretty much how I see things - elements within the right rocking the boat, and people in the left and centre trying to hold it steady.

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Jongs cited an article from the local CBS affiliate. So is CBS "right-wing media" now?

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They then look at who has gained benefit from Pres. Obama, and they see corporations and businesses run mostly by, guess who, rich white guys. Obviously, they're not gonna love the rich white guys, and will sour somewhat on white guys in general.

Liberal whites, who see this, are gonna realize that race relations are taking a hit.

Seems pretty straightforward.

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If you expect that the only thing that affects race relations is folks screaming "Lynch the coons" or "Get Whitey", that seems sort of one-dimensional to me.

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Public attitudes about race relations have plummeted since the historic election of President Barack Obama, according to a new poll from NBC News and the Wall Street Journal.

Only 52 percent of whites and 38 percent of blacks have a favorable opinion of race relations in the country, according to the poll, which has tracked race relations since 1994 and was conducted in mid-July by Hart Research Associations and Public Opinion Strategies.

That’s a sharp drop from the beginning of Obama’s first term, when 79 percent of whites and 63 percent of blacks held a favorable view of American race relations.



http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/25/race-relations-have-plummeted-since-
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Obama has used Saul Alinksy's "Rules For Radicals" as his bible and blueprint for destroying America since day one. Five years later, he's giving speeches that are racially divisive. And he's still out there campaigning instead of leading, blaming Republicans every day for his own staggering failures.

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Your posting of this "stat" is curious to me. I'm not sure what you're trying to infer by it. Is it that, because of President Obama, who gets blamed for everything negative happening in this country, including bad elementary school lunches, is to blame for the recent "plummet" in race relations figures?

I'm kind of new at this, please elaborate..........


The ever curious SGG

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And there have been no actions by the Left that have soured race relations?

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You don't think that they emphasized it quite a bit? That they pushed the racial aspect to pretty much the exclusion of everything else? That they made it the whole "story"?

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So the fact that they might see Pres. Obama cooperating with rich white folks to bail those rich white folks out, while leaving black folks in poverty, wouldn't cause black folks to have a lower opinion of those white folks - and white folks in general?

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You don't think that they emphasized it quite a bit? That they pushed the racial aspect to pretty much the exclusion of everything else? That they made it the whole "story"?

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So the fact that they might see Pres. Obama cooperating with rich white folks to bail those rich white folks out, while leaving black folks in poverty, wouldn't cause black folks to have a lower opinion of those white folks - and white folks in general?

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While being correct about some points Geezer, that an economic downturn hits minority communities hardest, that disparity of incomes can breed racial resentment - you haven't made any sense in explaining is how Obama being president has exacerbated any of these things. Let me ask you for your suggestions: specifically, what could Obama have done to improve race relations?

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Right here.

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I believe it's because Blacks and white liberals had higher expectations of Pres. Obama working to improve the lot of minorities than they would a white president. When he didn't meet those expectations, while helping out the rich white folks, the disappointment was greater.

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Here's an article on what African-Americans expected from Obama.

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Black conservatives are accepted more by the TEA party crowd than the naacp. Far more.

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I believe it's because Blacks and white liberals had higher expectations of Pres. Obama working to improve the lot of minorities than they would a white president. When he didn't meet those expectations, while helping out the rich white folks, the disappointment was greater.

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I think you view the black community as like an angry bear, that when it loses its temper invariably rages against white people. When a rock falls in its head, it rages against white people. When it gets stung by a bee, it rages against white people. When a black president disappoints it, it rages against white people.

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That wasn't what I asked. I asked how could Obama have improved race relations. Do you seriously think if Obama had followed the advice of the writer of that article, and worked primarily towards the advancement of black people in the US and in Africa, then that would have improved race relations in the US?

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You don't think that If Pres. Obama had done some of the things that blacks wanted, and what both blacks and liberal whites expected him to do after the 2008 election, that it wouldn't have improved race relations

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