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Arizona Republicans Who Rejected Sandy Relief Now Whining About Arizona Not Getting Disaster Aid

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Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Then:
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In October 2012, Hurricane Sandy violently swept across New England, devastating New Jersey and New York. The superstorm caused over $60 billion in damage, destroyed thousands of homes, left millions without electrical power, and resulted in over 70 deaths, most of which occurred in the previously mentioned states. In the aftermath of the storm, Republicans almost immediately rejected disaster aid for those affected, including Senator John McCain, Senator Jeff Flake and Representative Paul Gosar of Arizona. GOP refusal to act delayed a relief funding bill for months until the Senate and the House finally passed a $50 billion package in January 2013, much to the chagrin of most Republicans. http://smd12364.newsvine.com/_news/2013/08/15/20034885-arizona-republi
cans-who-rejected-sandy-relief-now-whining-about-arizona-not-getting-disaster-aid
]


Now:
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In light of sequestration and budget tightening, FEMA has limited funding and cannot respond to every single flood, fire, and other issue that hits. Last week, the agency announced that it would not declare Yarnell, Arizona, a federal disaster area.

FEMA spokesman said Monday that the agency had provided assistance with firefighting efforts during the blaze and he noted that aid was still available from a number of other federal agencies. But ultimately, the damage to Yarnell did not rise to the level of a federal disaster, said Dan Watson.

“In this case, based upon the findings of the joint federal, state and local preliminary damage assessment teams, it was determined that the damage to uninsured private residences from this event was not beyond the response and recovery capabilities of the state/local governments, and voluntary agencies,” Watson said in an emailed statement.

But state officials have not given up on FEMA aid.

“I am deeply troubled by the Obama administration’s decision to deny much-needed recovery assistance in the wake of Arizona’s deadliest wildfire,” Governor Jan Brewer said in a statement Friday, after the FEMA denial was announced.

That was echoed by Arizona Republican Sens. John McCain and Jeff Flake, who issued a joint statement Friday expressing their disappointment. They said they would talk with Brewer “and begin exploring with her options for appealing this decision.” http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northern_az/prescott/yarnell-fire
-fema-denial-no-surprise-to-yarnell-residents-who-vow-to-press-on-after-fire#ixzz2c40tdTPw
]

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McCain and Flake, who had partnered to ask for a federal disaster declaration, issued a joint statement Monday, lamenting that it was “a shame that FEMA couldn’t find it within their mission to help rebuild their homes and lives.” A riled McCain added that in light of the 19 firefighter deaths and the 134 destroyed homes, “the damage that was done was very substantial and, I believe, qualified. So, we’re going to do everything we can to urge the president to change his mind. Including, I will be making some phone calls.”

Gosar, who had also requested an emergency designation, released a statement of his own, saying, “The people of Yarnell do not ask much from the federal government,” but that here it was “reasonable to expect FEMA to step in.”

Gosar even voted against a barebones $9 billion funding increase for FEMA for Sandy relief — one of just 67 members to do so. Gosar, a climate change denier, has blamed “extreme environmental groups” for Arizona’s many wildfires. http://www.lipstickalley.com/f50/three-republicans-who-opposed-sandy-r
elief-now-demand-disaster-aid-arizona-556397/


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Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Just to offer some information in case that last sentence prompts someone to post reflexively at the words "climate denier" and "extreme environmental groups", there is this:
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Whenever there is a big outbreak of wildfires in the West, out come the ignorant to blame “radical environmentalists” and promote a return to excessive levels of industrial logging.

So it was earlier this week when a House panel held a hearing in Phoenix on forest health. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) was quick to blame “extreme environmental groups” and “the loss of Arizona’s timber industry” for a vicious fire season that has included the largest fire in the state’s history.

Gosar was joined by the incoming president of the Arizona Cattle Growers Association, who likewise blamed “radical environmentalists” for creating a “paralysis” in federal land management agencies that has kept employees from properly managing federal forests.

The reasons that the desert Southwest is having another extreme fire season are complex. They include decades of poor forestry and livestock grazing practices, misguided federal firefighting efforts that have prevented low-intensity fires in Ponderosa pine forests from clearing out underbrush and small trees, and prolonged, exceptional drought caused by climate change.

In April, Gosar voted to overturn the scientific finding that climate pollution threatens public welfare, which cites the “clear risk from the observed increases in wildfires.”

“What we’re seeing today in Arizona and other parts of the south are what our scientists say are the effects of climate change,” U.S. Forest Service chief Tom Tidwell testified before the U.S. Senate last month.

As the Los Angeles Times reported recently, the timber industry and cattle growers deserve much of the blame:
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Experts say the logging of big trees and heavy grazing in the last century helped lay the foundation for the Wallow and the [2002] Rodeo-Chediski conflagrations. Cutting the old ponderosa pines opened the forest floor to dense young growth. Grazing eliminated the grasses that fed the frequent, low-intensity fires to which the pineland vegetation had adapted. Federal policies to quench forest fires as quickly as possible compounded the problem by promoting the buildup of brush and unnaturally thick stands of trees. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/10/nation/la-na-arizona-wildfire-
20110610
]


Wally Covington, a leading expert on the increasingly dry forests of the Southwest, told the paper, “We need to turn forestry on its head. Leave the old growth alone….focus on harvesting the small-diameter trees. Open the forest to restore more natural conditions and then reintroduce fire.”

That is precisely the approach of a 10-year restoration project on the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest in Arizona, exactly where the Wallow and Rodeo-Chediski fires took place. So far the project has thinned some 35,000 acres near communities, reinvigorated wood products companies that use small diameter trees and helped save some of those communities from the Wallow fire.

Environmental groups have been supportive of that White Mountain Stewardship Project. Not even the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity – arguably one of the most litigious of environmental groups – has sued or appealed any of the individual thinning projects on the Apache-Sitgreaves in a decade.

Unfortunately, no amount of advanced forestry practices can prevent future epic wildfires in a world with unconstrained greenhouse pollution. http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/07/07/263226/climate-denier-paul-g
osar-blames-arizona-wildfires-on-extreme-environmental-groups/




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Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:47 AM

AURAPTOR

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Lie.

They didn't reject Sandy relief. They just rejected the pork that was heaped on along WITH Sandy relief.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:06 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Lie.



Funny how you toss that word around, given your ongoing lack of understanding of it.




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Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:17 AM

AURAPTOR

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It applies.

Knowingly stating a falsehood, despite knowing the truth of the matter, is a lie. And in this case, the progressives are LYING about aid for Sandy as being the issue, when it never was.



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Thursday, August 15, 2013 2:19 PM

NIKI2

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They voted against the bill. Period. Whatever their reasons, and your choosing their definition of "pork" is irrelevant, they spoke against and voted against the bill, period.

Also, ", the damage to Yarnell did not rise to the level of a federal disaster". Note:
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FEMA spokesman said Monday that the agency had provided assistance with firefighting efforts during the blaze and he noted that aid was still available from a number of other federal agencies. But ultimately, the damage to Yarnell did not rise to the level of a federal disaster, said Dan Watson.

“In this case, based upon the findings of the joint federal, state and local preliminary damage assessment teams, it was determined that the damage to uninsured private residences from this event was not beyond the response and recovery capabilities of the state/local governments, and voluntary agencies,” Watson said in an emailed statement.



It's up to FEMA to decide what rises to the level of a federal disaster; this did not. Sandy did. Gosar even voted against a barebones $9 billion funding increase for FEMA for Sandy relief. Twist it any way you want; they voted against Sandy relief (it passed later), and FEMA determined Arizona's wildfire did not reach the level of a federal disaster. Those are the facts.

I'm not playing this game further. Goad away.


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Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:01 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


'Course they voted against aid for NY. And of course they are upset that they can't get aid now.

"Aid for ANYBODY ELSE'S district is wastefulness and PORK, not essential to the NATION. Aid for MY DISTRICT is ABSOLUTELY in the NATIONAL INTEREST, every penny of it..."

Yah, sure, you betcha...

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Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:45 PM

AURAPTOR

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No niki, not " for what ever reason ". Get this through your gorram thick skull !!!

$150 million for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to dole out to fisheries in Alaska and $2 million for the Smithsonian Institution to repair museum roofs in DC.( in need of repair BEFORE the storm )

$58.8 million for forest restoration on private land.
$197 million “to… protect coastal ecosystems and habitat impacted by Hurricane Sandy.”

$10.78 billion for public transportation, most of which is allocated to future construction and improvements, not disaster relief.

$17 billion for wasteful Community Development Block Grants (CDBG), a program that has become notorious for its use as a backdoor earmark program.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/01/02/the-pork-filled-a
nd-expensive-nonrelief-sandy-relief-bill-n1477710


There's more, of course, but I'm sure you'll just close your eyes, plug your hears and scream " Nah! Nah! Nah! ", and pretend there's zero pork spending, at all, what so ever.

Un-fucking-believable.

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Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:59 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
No niki, not " for what ever reason ". Get this through your gorram thick skull !!!

$150 million for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to dole out to fisheries in Alaska and $2 million for the Smithsonian Institution to repair museum roofs in DC.( in need of repair BEFORE the storm )

$58.8 million for forest restoration on private land.
$197 million “to… protect coastal ecosystems and habitat impacted by Hurricane Sandy.”

$10.78 billion for public transportation, most of which is allocated to future construction and improvements, not disaster relief.

$17 billion for wasteful Community Development Block Grants (CDBG), a program that has become notorious for its use as a backdoor earmark program.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/01/02/the-pork-filled-a
nd-expensive-nonrelief-sandy-relief-bill-n1477710


There's more, of course, but I'm sure you'll just close your eyes, plug your hears and scream " Nah! Nah! Nah! ", and pretend there's zero pork spending, at all, what so ever.

Un-fucking-believable.



Wise up, dude!

In any bill dealing with BILLIONS of dollars, any amount in MILLIONS is chump change. 1 million X 1000 ( that's one thousand) = 1 BILLION. 1 million is 1/10 of 1 % of 1 billion.
Most of those pork items that you're complaining about, bulking up the story, don't amount to the sweat off the elephant's ass.




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Thursday, August 15, 2013 4:04 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Wise up, dude!

In any bill dealing with BILLIONS of dollars, any amount in MILLIONS is chump change. 1 million X 1000 ( that's one thousand) = 1 BILLION. 1 million is 1/10 of 1 % of 1 billion.
Most of those pork items that you're complaining about, bulking up the story, don't amount to the sweat off the elephant's ass.




It ALL adds up. Regardless of who gets the money. This crap of saying " well, they do it, so we can do it too " is what's gotten us 17 TRILLION dollars in debt.

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Friday, August 16, 2013 3:00 AM

NIKI2

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Your points are totally irrelevant. They voted against the bill. Period. FEMA determined the Arizona wildfire damage did not amount to a federal disaster. Tangents and temper tantrums don't count; I could bitch about the sequester and what it's cost FEMA, forcing them to make difficult decisions about where to spend their money, and look up factual evidence about all the times the politicians bitching NOW have voted for pork, but that's also irrelevant. There are no lies; they voted against the Sandy relief (INCLUDING the $9B "bare-bones" FEMA money); FEMA decided ("based upon the findings of the joint federal, state and local preliminary damage assessment teams", http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northern_az/prescott/yarnell-fire
-fema-denial-no-surprise-to-yarnell-residents-who-vow-to-press-on-after-fire#ixzz2c8UXgbZg
) the Arizona fires weren't a federal disaster--the people who LIVE THERE have no problem with it ("Residents of Yarnell said Monday that they were never really depending on help from the federal government", http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northern_az/prescott/yarnell-fire
-fema-denial-no-surprise-to-yarnell-residents-who-vow-to-press-on-after-fire#ixzz2c8Tq4UOs
, just the Republican politicians. No lies; those are the facts, everything else is irrelevant.
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Get this through your gorram thick skull !!!
I'm sure you'll just close your eyes, plug your hears and scream " Nah! Nah! Nah! "



Well, that didn't take long...wasn't there something just recently about calling people stupid, etc., and how Rap COULD say he'd try better...?



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Friday, August 16, 2013 11:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, yeah, there it is:
Quote:

Rap: I CAN say ill try to do better, from here on out. Can you do the same?


Like I told him, I already AM, and HAVE been, for quite some time. I guess I was right to notice that he said "I CAN say", but didn't actually SAY it.


So I wonder what the point was of Rap's putting up that thread about people calling those they disagree with names, and how it doesn't accomplish anything...?


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Friday, August 16, 2013 6:44 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


I love it when their actions and words come back to bite 'em in the ass.

It's like Rand Paul complaining about Gov. Chris Christie applying for Sandy Relief aide and other government subsidies, while all the while his state, Kentucky, receives more in Federal aide than Washington receives in tax dollars.

It just doesn't get any better than that.


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Then:
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In October 2012, Hurricane Sandy violently swept across New England, devastating New Jersey and New York. The superstorm caused over $60 billion in damage, destroyed thousands of homes, left millions without electrical power, and resulted in over 70 deaths, most of which occurred in the previously mentioned states. In the aftermath of the storm, Republicans almost immediately rejected disaster aid for those affected, including Senator John McCain, Senator Jeff Flake and Representative Paul Gosar of Arizona. GOP refusal to act delayed a relief funding bill for months until the Senate and the House finally passed a $50 billion package in January 2013, much to the chagrin of most Republicans. http://smd12364.newsvine.com/_news/2013/08/15/20034885-arizona-republi
cans-who-rejected-sandy-relief-now-whining-about-arizona-not-getting-disaster-aid
]


Now:
Quote:

In light of sequestration and budget tightening, FEMA has limited funding and cannot respond to every single flood, fire, and other issue that hits. Last week, the agency announced that it would not declare Yarnell, Arizona, a federal disaster area.

FEMA spokesman said Monday that the agency had provided assistance with firefighting efforts during the blaze and he noted that aid was still available from a number of other federal agencies. But ultimately, the damage to Yarnell did not rise to the level of a federal disaster, said Dan Watson.

“In this case, based upon the findings of the joint federal, state and local preliminary damage assessment teams, it was determined that the damage to uninsured private residences from this event was not beyond the response and recovery capabilities of the state/local governments, and voluntary agencies,” Watson said in an emailed statement.

But state officials have not given up on FEMA aid.

“I am deeply troubled by the Obama administration’s decision to deny much-needed recovery assistance in the wake of Arizona’s deadliest wildfire,” Governor Jan Brewer said in a statement Friday, after the FEMA denial was announced.

That was echoed by Arizona Republican Sens. John McCain and Jeff Flake, who issued a joint statement Friday expressing their disappointment. They said they would talk with Brewer “and begin exploring with her options for appealing this decision.” http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northern_az/prescott/yarnell-fire
-fema-denial-no-surprise-to-yarnell-residents-who-vow-to-press-on-after-fire#ixzz2c40tdTPw
]

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McCain and Flake, who had partnered to ask for a federal disaster declaration, issued a joint statement Monday, lamenting that it was “a shame that FEMA couldn’t find it within their mission to help rebuild their homes and lives.” A riled McCain added that in light of the 19 firefighter deaths and the 134 destroyed homes, “the damage that was done was very substantial and, I believe, qualified. So, we’re going to do everything we can to urge the president to change his mind. Including, I will be making some phone calls.”

Gosar, who had also requested an emergency designation, released a statement of his own, saying, “The people of Yarnell do not ask much from the federal government,” but that here it was “reasonable to expect FEMA to step in.”

Gosar even voted against a barebones $9 billion funding increase for FEMA for Sandy relief — one of just 67 members to do so. Gosar, a climate change denier, has blamed “extreme environmental groups” for Arizona’s many wildfires. http://www.lipstickalley.com/f50/three-republicans-who-opposed-sandy-r
elief-now-demand-disaster-aid-arizona-556397/



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Saturday, August 17, 2013 2:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


In all fairness, there is something to Rap's argument...not much, but something. If a politician votes against something because they think it's got pork in it, that's got validity. FEMA is a different matter, they make their own decisions on what to call a federal disaster, so comparing the two is playing politics. The problem is that it's the same three Republicans who argued against the Sandy relief now complaining, when FEMA had valid reasons for not declaring it a federal disaster and the people involved didn't expect it to be one. Given it's only the politicians screaming (of course for political reasons) about their constituents not getting the money, the comparison is easy to make.

If, say, they'd voted against the Sandy relief, then there was a bill to help Arizona and the Dems voted it down, it would be a valid comparison. Of course, the Dems couldn't vote down such a bill in the House, nor WOULD they have (in my opinion), so the way it worked out, it makes them look hypocritical. Comparing FEMA making a designation (especially given how the sequestration has hurt them), after Gosar rejected even the smaller bill to help FEMA out during Sandy, gives them a black eye.


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Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:06 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh, yeah, there it is:
Quote:

Rap: I CAN say ill try to do better, from here on out. Can you do the same?


Like I told him, I already AM, and HAVE been, for quite some time. I guess I was right to notice that he said "I CAN say", but didn't actually SAY it.


So I wonder what the point was of Rap's putting up that thread about people calling those they disagree with names, and how it doesn't accomplish anything...?




I said I'd TRY. And unlike you, at least I'm making an honest effort. The delusion you live in by saying you are and have been more civil is comical.

You dismissed the facts purely and entirely because I presented them. They're not MY facts, they're THE facts. But because of your myrmidon mindset, your blind and childish clinging to your own personal point of view, nothing that you see which goes counter to what you WISH were true gets any credence.

You feign ignorance at how D.C. works. Politicians give completely misleading names to bills, like The Affordable Care Act , and because that's the title, YOU think it makes it so. It's does exactly the OPPOSITE of what it says !

Riders get put in bills for relief in the North East that have ZERO to do w/ relief in the N.E. If there was a rider to expand Gitmo,for example, and some progressive voted against that , would you vilify them for voting against relief in the N.E. too ?

C'mon, Stop playing the role of simple partisan. It's a lame act.

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Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:50 AM

NIKI2

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Liar. Pure and simple. You're not even trying, as evidenced by "your myrmidon mindset, your blind and childish clinging to your own personal point of view, nothing that you see which goes counter to what you WISH were true gets any credence." That is PRECISELY the wording the gentleman you posted was describing, and you've seen NONE of that come from me.

I have DISPUTED your points with points of my own. They are valid points: Three Arizona Republicans who DID vote against Sandy relief ARE now complaining about FEMA not declaring the Arizona wildfire a federal disaster. There is no lie there.

WHY they voted against Sandy is irrelevant to the story. I even acknowledged that they might have felt they had valid reasons for voting against it, while pointing out that they most likely have voted for similar bills with pork in them in the past.

More importantly (and I notice you ignored this one) Gosar voted against even the "proposal to increase the borrowing authority of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) by $9.7 billion, or 47 percent to fund the shortfall in the National Flood Insurance Program covering the Hurricane Sandy damages." That bill:
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permits FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) to borrow $9.7 Billion to help pay claims related to the October hurricane/superstorm. The Senate approved the measure by unanimous consent, and it is headed to the President's desk for signature. http://arizonaspolitics.blogspot.com/2013/01/arizona-house-republicans
-vote-as-block.html
]


Gosar voted against that one, which passed 354-67 , making him part of a very small minority. The reasoning the Republicans who voted "no" GAVE AT THE TIME was not about "pork", but
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all of the votes against the aid came from Republicans, who have objected that no cuts in other programs had been identified to pay for the measure despite the nation’s long-term deficit problem. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/nyregion/house-passes-9-7-billion-in
-relief-for-hurricane-sandy-victims.html?_r=0



Even the rest of the Republicans voted for it. There was no pork there. I didn't dismiss anything, I stated the facts, and my opinion about them. My opinion even included your point about pork.

But they are now complaining about FEMA denying federal relief, when the PEOPLE INVOLVED freely admit they had no expectation of federal relief, FEMA DID help with the firefighting effort, there are other FEDERAL agencies covering it, and there are totally valid reasons FEMA determined the wildfires didn't rise to the level of a federal disaster, "based upon the findings of the joint federal, state and local preliminary damage assessment teams".

Of course I know how DC works; this is a prime example. Gosar was towing the conservative line by demanding cuts to other programs before even FEMA's BORROWING POWER could be increased, now he's complaining because it's an area of his constituents which is hurting. I also know how pork works, we all do, but that's irrelevant to the point that they voted AGAINST Sandy relief (and Gosar even a bill that had nothing to do with "pork") and is now wrongly complaining about FEMA having made a perfectly valid determination.

And no, OBVIOUSLY you aren't even "trying". I'm DEBATING; countering your points with facts and figures and points of my own. You are SNARKING, making personal, nasty, derogatory remarks. I haven't called you stupid, myrmidon, blind or childish. Those are precisely the kinds of things about whichyou complained and about which you even put up a special thread to make a point. Those are the things YOU are doing, I have not and am not.

Which is why I understood when you said you "could" try. This thread is a precise, perfect example of the fact that you are NOT trying, and I don't believe you ever intended to or ever will. You don't think; you react, and have no compunction about how negatively you do so.

You can go around in circles all day, it doesn't change the facts. Your last post is nothing but a vituperative personal attack, pure and simple; I have once again reiterated the FACTS behind my argument. I would advise quitting while you're behind.


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Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:53 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

WHY they voted against Sandy is irrelevant to the story.


Nope. It's the crucial foundation of the real issue. Not surprised that you missed it.

And you've disputed absolutely nothing, at all.

You've shown your opposition to what I've said, but nothing else.

Nothing remotely 'disputed'.

That it wasn't " pork " , but there not being enough cuts in other areas, is splitting hairs here. The whole point of EITHER is to make govt more responsible. Make Congress's spending more responsible.

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Saturday, August 17, 2013 7:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Then they shouldn't be griping over FEMA having determined the Arizona wildfire didn't rise to the level of a federal emergency.

You're playing games, and you refuse to acknowledge your unwillingness/inability to debate issues with facts, rather than sinking to the very ugliness you complained about and put up a thread to address. You have nothing further of relevance to say to me and I will not indulge your game any further.


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Saturday, August 17, 2013 7:26 AM

AURAPTOR

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Oh yeah, like FEMA isn't politicized by this administration.

Obama and his Chicago thug politics, and the one state which has been a huge thorn in his side ?

Really? Are you THAT naive ?

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Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Arizona Republicans Who Rejected Sandy Relief Now Whining About Arizona Not Getting Disaster Aid"

Oh the poor, poor babies.

Niki - as I was pondering Geezer's posts in the 'libertarian' thread, what occurred to me is that little rappy, and gramps, and a few others, have what is best summed up as a spoiled two-year old's view of the world: "IT'S MINE!!!! ... BUT IT'S MINE!!!! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NOT HER ONE ... IT'S MINE!!!"

That's their heaven. And that's what's going on here with the republicans.

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Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:21 PM

MAL4PREZ


As a mythology fan, I'm embarrassed that I didn't know this. For others in my boat:

Myr·mi·don
1. Classical Mythology . one of the warlike people of ancient Thessaly who accompanied Achilles to the Trojan War.
2.( lowercase ) a person who executes without question or scruple a master's commands.

Fun!

It is part of the RWA psychosis to accuse others of being what the RWA is, such as the continued insistence that the left worships whoever is heading the Dem party, just as the right did so when W was pres. They can't imagine anyone not living in such a state of worship. Quite myrmidon-ish yes?

And that is my completely tangential input to the thread. The OP topic has been well covered imo.

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The French Revolution would have never happened if Marie Antoinette had just given every peasant an iPhone.

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