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"Newt Gingrich: Republicans rip Obamacare, but have "Zero Answer" for alternatives"

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Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Suggesting the Republican Party should be a party of ideas rather than just attacks, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich told a gathering of GOP operatives that lawmakers who criticize Obamacare but offer no alternatives will be left with “zero answer” for constituents who ask for a policy solution to the president’s health care reform law.

“I would bet for most of you, you go home in the next two weeks while your members of Congress are home and you look at them in the eye and you say, ‘What is your positive replacement for Obamacare?’ and they will have zero answer,” Gingrich told state party chairs, activists, and operatives at the Republican National Committee summer meeting. “We are caught up right now in a culture – and you see it every single day – where as long as we are negative, as long as we are vicious, as long as we can tear down our opponent, we don’t have to worry, so we don’t.

“This is a very deep problem,” he added. “I’m being totally candid with you.”

Gingrich’s message at a luncheon on the first day of the RNC meeting was to stay positive and deliver alternatives to Democratic policy instead of just attacks. He said he will “probably spend the rest of my public life trying to drive this message both in the party, but also, in a broader way, in to the American community.”

“We need to build a new model of Republican answers that starts with the health system we need and [then be able to say] "that’s why I’m against Obamacare – in that order,” Gingrich said. “We need to get away from this, ‘I’m against Obamacare,’ and then stop – and that’s all you have to say.”

When asked directly if he agreed with Gingrich’s remarks that Republican lawmakers have “zero” alternatives to Obamacare, Priebus said “not completely,” pointing to some health care proposals some Republican members of Congress have put out on their websites. But he added that the party needs to do a “better job” in developing alternatives. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/08/newt-gingrich-republicans
-rip-obamacare-but-have-zero-answer-for-alternatives/



Damned straight, Newt! For once, you are right on target.

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Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:56 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Wassamatter with old Newt? Another one of his soon-to-be-ex-wives got cancer or something?

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Sunday, August 18, 2013 6:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Actually, Newt's wrong on this matter.


Empowering Patients First

HR 2300: Yes, there is a Republican plan to replace ObamaCare

The basics of the bill are these:

It extends tax deductions for health insurance to those who buy as individuals, thus eliminating the perverse incentive that favored employer-purchased insurance.

It gives patients true portability by making them the owners of their insurance – not their employers.

It gives doctors the real power to make treatment decisions, not insurance companies or the government.

It reforms medical liability laws and thus saves money by reducing the practice of defensive medicine.

There is a lot I like about this bill and a few things I would do differently. But the point here is not necessarily to argue every minute detail of Rep. Price’s bill. The point is that a Republican member of Congress – who happens to be a physician, by the way – has introduced legislation that would replace ObamaCare with something vastly superior to the train wreck we’re facing right now.


http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/56410



And after being challenged on his claim of " ZERO " alternatives, Newt does actually admit there are some proposals, but that they need to do a better job in promoting.

Hey Newt..weren't YOU a Republican, once ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, August 19, 2013 6:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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"Scott Walker: DC Republicans don’t have plan"

Gov. Scott Walker (R-Wis.) on Monday said Republicans in Washington need to lay out specific alternatives to the Democratic agenda rather than just seeking to block it at every turn. "You don’t just sit back and nick the other guy – you have to lay out a plan", Walker said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe.

Walker on Monday also criticized Republicans who are threatening a government shutdown in an attempt to defund the president’s healthcare law.

“I have real problems obviously with Obamcare,” he said. “But I think most Americans, even if they don’t like the size or growth of government, they still want something to work, something very fundamentally to work." More at http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/317579-scott-walker-r
epublicans-in-washington-dont-have-a-plan-



(ETA: In response, what Rap offered is not a plan, it is "same old, same old", Republican talking points which haven't solved the problem in the past and wouldn't do so now.)


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Monday, August 19, 2013 6:11 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


And here, one more time, is the explanation of and argument for the ACA:
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One Reform, Indivisible

Recent political reporting suggests that Republican leaders are in a state of high anxiety, trapped between an angry base that still views Obamacare as the moral equivalent of slavery and the reality that health reform is the law of the land and is going to happen.

But those leaders don’t deserve any sympathy. For one thing, that irrational base is a Frankenstein monster of their own creation. Beyond that, everything I’ve seen indicates that members of the Republican elite still don’t get the basics of health reform — and that this lack of understanding is in the process of turning into a major political liability.

On the unstoppability of Obamacare: We have this system in which Congress passes laws, the president signs them, and then they go into effect. The Affordable Care Act went through this process, and there is no legitimate way for Republicans to stop it.

Is there an illegitimate way? Well, the G.O.P. can try blackmail, either by threatening to shut down the government or, an even more extreme tactic, threatening not to raise the debt limit, which would force the United States government into default and risk financial chaos. And Republicans did somewhat successfully blackmail President Obama back in 2011.

However, that was then. They faced a president on the ropes after a stinging defeat in the midterm election, not a president triumphantly re-elected. Furthermore, even in 2011 Mr. Obama wouldn’t give ground on the essentials of health care reform, the signature achievement of his presidency. There’s no way he would undermine the reform at this late date.

Republican leaders seem to get this, even if the base doesn’t. What they don’t seem to get, however, is the integral nature of the reform. So let me help out by explaining, one more time, why Obamacare looks the way it does.

Start with the goal that almost everyone at least pretends to support: giving Americans with pre-existing medical conditions access to health insurance. Governments can, if they choose, require that insurance companies issue policies without regard to an individual’s medical history, “community rating,” and some states, including New York, have done just that. But we know what happens next: many healthy people don’t buy insurance, leaving a relatively bad risk pool, leading to high premiums that drive out even more healthy people.

To avoid this downward spiral, you need to induce healthy Americans to buy in; hence, the individual mandate, with a penalty for those who don’t purchase insurance. Finally, since buying insurance could be a hardship for lower-income Americans, you need subsidies to make insurance affordable for all.

So there you have it: health reform is a three-legged stool resting on community rating, individual mandates and subsidies. It requires all three legs.

But wait — hasn’t the administration delayed the employer mandate, which requires that large firms provide insurance to their employees? Yes, it has, and Republicans are trying to make it sound as if the employer mandate and the individual mandate are comparable. Some of them even seem to think that they can bully Mr. Obama into delaying the individual mandate too. But the individual mandate is an essential piece of the reform, which can’t and won’t be bargained away, while the employer mandate is a fairly minor add-on that arguably shouldn’t have been in the law to begin with.

I guess that after all the years of vilification it was predictable that Republican leaders would still fail to understand the principles behind health reform and that this would hamper their ability to craft an effective political response as the reform’s implementation draws near. But their rudest shock is yet to come. You see, this thing isn’t going to be the often-predicted “train wreck.” On the contrary, it’s going to work.

Oh, there will be problems, especially in states where Republican governors and legislators are doing all they can to sabotage the implementation. But the basic thrust of Obamacare is, as I’ve just explained, coherent and even fairly simple. Moreover, all the early indications are that the law will, in fact, give millions of Americans who currently lack access to health insurance the coverage they need, while giving millions more a big break in their health care costs. And because so many people will see clear benefits, health reform will prove irreversible.

This achievement will represent a huge defeat for the conservative agenda of weakening the safety net. And Republicans who deluded their supporters into believing that none of this would happen will probably pay a large personal price. But as I said, they have nobody but themselves to blame. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/19/opinion/krugman-one-reform-indivisib
le.html?_r=1&




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Monday, August 19, 2013 6:20 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


And then there's
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Why Obamacare is good for young people

Health insurance isn’t like other forms of insurance. It’s not protection against the unlikely; it’s insulation against the inevitable. Most people never use their fire insurance. Almost everyone uses their health insurance. Eventually.

The key is that not everyone uses their health insurance at the same time, or with the same frequency. Sick people use it more than healthy people. The elderly use it more than the young. Women use it more than men.

The trick to making any health-insurance system work is to attract enough healthy and young people into the insurance pool. Their low costs offset the care provided to elderly and unhealthy people, who drive costs up. This is the task that obsesses the Obama administration. It’s also the task that has begun to obsess its opponents.

“The whole scheme is enlisting young adults to overpay, so other people can have subsidies,” Dean Clancy, vice president of public policy for FreedomWorks, told my Wonkblog colleague Sarah Kliff. “That unfairness reminded us of the military draft.”

Clancy is wrong: The subsidies are funded by taxes on rich people and by cuts to Medicare spending, not by the premiums paid by young people. In fact, young people are likely to be the biggest beneficiaries of the subsidies because they’re more likely than any other age group to be poor and uninsured.

“The tax credit premium subsidies are disproportionately going to be helpful for the young adult population,” says Ron Pollack, head of Families USA. “They’ll get the largest tax credit subsidies of any age group.”

But there’s power in Clancy’s broader point: Some young people who don’t get insurance through their employers or a government program are being asked to pay more than the current market calculates they should. Consequently, some who don’t qualify for large subsidies will conclude that it’s in their interest to skip insurance coverage and pay the penalty — remember the individual mandate? — which is less expensive than purchasing insurance.

There is a disclaimer necessary here, as in almost every discussion of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act: It’s not for everybody. About 150 million Americans get insurance through their employers. Obamacare’s insurance reforms have basically nothing to do with them. Almost 100 million more get their insurance from Medicare or Medicaid or some highly subsidized government-insurance program. Obamacare doesn’t much matter for them, either. Discussions about premiums under Obamacare are about the 8 percent of Americans expected to get nongroup health insurance through Obamacare’s new marketplaces.

The nongroup market right now is a bizarre health-care system that works best for those who need insurance the least. The sick and elderly are charged sky-high premiums or denied insurance coverage altogether. The upside of that practice, awful as it is, is that premiums are lower for young, healthy people. Obamacare ends that practice; as a result, some young, healthy people will end up paying higher premiums. Why shouldn’t they walk?

First, because of subsidies, which the insurance marketplaces make available on a sliding scale to almost anyone making less than 400 percent of the poverty level. The Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that, among people currently buying nongroup insurance, the average subsidy will be $2,672. For poorer, often younger people, that check will be much larger. So while the young and the healthy might be subsidizing the old and the sick, they’re receiving an even bigger subsidy themselves from the federal government.

The number of young people who make too much money to qualify for subsidies but don’t receive health insurance through their jobs is pretty small (and also not easy to pinpoint). But they exist. So how about them — why should they sign up for health insurance?

The easy answer is they might get sick or injured. Accidents — in cars, on ski slopes, walking down the street — happen even to the affluent. And Obamacare is intentionally structured to prevent people who go without insurance from acquiring it only after they need it. You can only sign up for health insurance during an annual open-enrollment period. So if you get hit by a car two months after you ignored the open enrollment, you’re not going to want to wait for the next enrollment period before you get health care. It’s going to cost you.

Of course, car accidents are rare, so that might be a risk worth taking. Yet even the small group of people who are young, healthy or too rich to qualify for subsidies and don’t have employer-provided insurance have a compelling reason to purchase insurance: They will not be young and healthy — or even necessarily rich — forever. Young people grow old. Healthy people get sick. Rich people become poor. The people overpaying to keep costs low today are the people underpaying 10 or 20 years from now. It’s a terrible mistake to think of yourself as having a fixed relationship to the health-care system. Health needs, income, and demographic profile all change over time — and they can change unexpectedly.

Those young, healthy rich people will need a functional system in the future when they become older, sicker or poorer. So even for those least in need, health-insurance premiums are an investment — not in someone else’s future, but in their own. Only a cramped and narrow view of self-interest assumes that the status quo lasts forever. When it comes to health, change is inevitable. The only question is whether you’ll have insurance when it comes.

So that’s the breakdown: For most people — including young people — Obamacare doesn’t much matter one way or the other. For a lot of young people, it’s a great deal because they get large subsidies, or because they’re already sick and locked out of the system. But for the remainder, it’s worth remembering that being young, healthy, and rich now doesn’t mean you won’t be old, sick, and poorer later — and if and when that time comes, you’ll need a health-care system willing to accept you. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/19/why-obamaca
re-is-good-for-young-people/?hpid=z11




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Monday, August 19, 2013 9:18 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Quote:

"Scott Walker: DC Republicans don’t have plan"

Gov. Scott Walker (R-Wis.) on Monday said Republicans in Washington need to lay out specific alternatives to the Democratic agenda rather than just seeking to block it at every turn. "You don’t just sit back and nick the other guy – you have to lay out a plan", Walker said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe.

Walker on Monday also criticized Republicans who are threatening a government shutdown in an attempt to defund the president’s healthcare law.

“I have real problems obviously with Obamcare,” he said. “But I think most Americans, even if they don’t like the size or growth of government, they still want something to work, something very fundamentally to work." More at http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/317579-scott-walker-r
epublicans-in-washington-dont-have-a-plan-
]


(ETA: In response, what Rap offered is not a plan, it is "same old, same old", Republican talking points which haven't solved the problem in the past and wouldn't do so now.)




Niki, repeating the same lie , over and over again, doesn't make the argument.

There is a plan. HR 2300. Allowing portability is NOT " the same old, same old ".

O-care is THE single worst piece of legislation in US history, and it will collapse under its own weight.

As it was DESIGNED to do.

Already, companies are cutting back on the # of employees and their hours, to 29.5

Forever 21 reducing work hours due to ObamaCare

Forever 21 Inc. is the latest national company to cut employee hours to counter the impact of ObamaCare.

Policymic.com reported Forever 21 will limit non-management workers’ hours to 29.5 a week, which is a hair below the 30-hour minimum ObamaCare considers full-time employment. The changes begin Aug. 31, according to the policymic.com story.

The Los Angeles-based clothing retailer has Forever 21 stores at Town Center at Cobb Mall in Kennesaw, Ga.; Stonecrest Mall in Lithonia; Gwinnett Place Mall in Duluth; North Point Mall in Alpharetta; and Lenox Square Mall in Atlanta. It also has XXI stores at Cumberland Mall and Perimeter Mall in Atlanta.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2013/08/19/forever-21-reducing
-work-hours-due-to.html




Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

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Monday, August 19, 2013 10:05 AM

REAVERFAN


It's already saving money, and Forever 21 is in the middle of getting a brutal boycott for their chicanery. They'll change their minds, or go out of business.

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Monday, August 19, 2013 10:24 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
It's already saving money, and Forever 21 is in the middle of getting a brutal boycott for their chicanery. They'll change their minds, or go out of business.




I know publicly they're trying to claim it wasn't because of o-care, but that's about as flimsy as claiming the IRS didn't target TEA party groups. Seriously, 29.5 hours , and the cut off for " full time " is 30 hours ? Hell, even in France that's not full time. Who is this WH trying to fool ?

If they DO go out of business, it'll be because of the UnAffordable Healthcare Act, more than anything.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, August 19, 2013 2:10 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
It's already saving money, and Forever 21 is in the middle of getting a brutal boycott for their chicanery. They'll change their minds, or go out of business.




I know publicly they're trying to claim it wasn't because of o-care, but that's about as flimsy as claiming the IRS didn't target TEA party groups.



rappyland, where backed with facts = flimsy.

And a conspiracy theory to boot!




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Monday, August 19, 2013 3:55 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yea, R-Fan, Forever 21 is all over the place insisting it has nothing to do with the ACA:
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Forever 21 cuts hours, denies it's because of Obamacare

"Company-wide, Forever 21 recently audited its staffing levels, staffing needs and payroll in conduction with reviewing its overall spending budget," Carla Macias, associate director of human resources at the company, wrote in the memo to affected employees. "As a result, we are reducing a number of full-time non-management positions." http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/8/19/forever_21
_cuts_hour.html
]


And on their Facebook page:
Quote:

Forever 21, like all retailers, staffs its stores based on projected store sales, completely independent of the Affordable Care Act. After a recent evaluation, Forever 21 realigned its staffing needs to better reflect sales expectations. This realignment impacted less than 1% of all U.S. store employees. https://www.facebook.com/Forever21/posts/10151671883719550?comment_id=
27282872&offset=0&total_comments=2
]


Wasn't even a good try; there are plenty of other examples of companies toeing the right-wing line which he could have dug up if he looked around a bit. I'm guessing the right-wing media is playing this one up, so it was easy to grab.

ETA: Yeah, Googling, I see FauxNews is all over it. And Heritage. That explains that. Rap should put a little more effort into it, if he wants anyone to take him seriously, in my opinion.

There's also this:
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According to a new study by the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR), the Affordable Care Act has not forced employers to cut workers hours.

Obamacare requires firms that have 50 or more employees to provide a minimum level of health coverage to their full-time workers — defined as those who work 30 hours or more per week — or pay a $2,000 per employee fine after the first 30 workers. Since the overwhelming majority of companies that size already offer health care benefits, the provision only affects about 10,000 firms. Nonetheless, reform critics have latched onto the narrative that the requirement is a job-killer, citing the example of retail and service sector companies like Regal Theaters that are cutting back hours to avoid paying for workers’ health care benefits.

The CEPR report shows that to be a minority position among larger employers. Since 30 hours per week is the threshold for employees receiving benefits under the law, researchers expected companies that didn’t want to comply with Obamacare to roll back workers’ hours to just below that threshold. But only about 0.6 percent of the labor force worked between 26 and 29 hours per week in 2013. Since 2012, the number of part-time employees working that range of hours actually stayed statistically the same. Furthermore, less than a third of workers say they are working less than 30 hours because of an employers’ decision — most choose to work the limited number of hours. That led the authors to conclude that the trend “is in the wrong direction for the ACA as job-killer story.”

“While there may certainly be instances of individual employers carrying through with threats to reduce their employees’ hours to below 30 to avoid the sanctions in the ACA, the numbers are too small to show up in the data,” the CEPR researchers write. “It appears that in setting worker hours employers are responding to business considerations in much the same way as they did before the ACA took effect.” http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/aca-job-killer-2013-07.pdf




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Monday, August 19, 2013 4:00 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



You also believe in AGW and that O-care is a good law.

Figures.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, August 19, 2013 4:05 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I have clearly said repeatedly that I do not think the Affordable Care Act is a "good law". I have stated repeatedly that I think it is a FIRST STEP, and like other first steps, it's all we could get; now we have to work to make it better, as we also have done with others. You know that full well, as you've responded to posts wherein I stated that. Ergo, your statement is a deliberate misrepresentation at best, lie at worst. Play on. By yourself.


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Monday, August 19, 2013 4:16 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

You also believe in AGW and that O-care is a good law.

Figures.



Wow! Easy with all those facts there Rappy!


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