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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Unless you have an alternative theory about the source of this violence you would like to add? I'll go bake some popcorn in that case.

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Glad you're so giddy over the death of the Aussie, Niki.

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Reading skills so low, he can't tell the difference between laughing at the crime (which anyone with common sense knows isn't the case) and laughing at his dumb-ass comment (which was clearly quoted).

Another day in rappyland, the dumbest place on Earth!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Glad you and Niki both can find something to laugh about over the murder of a innocent Aussie.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Glad you and Niki both can find something to laugh about over the murder of a innocent Aussie.

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Read the article and then come back and tell everybody the murder is all about race and nothing else. Race, Lead, and Juvenile Crime by Kevin Drum, Aug. 16, 2013 www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/08/lead-crime-racism-black-white-j
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The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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I say there is too much lead in violent criminals' blood. Aurapter says there is too much black in criminals' blood. I know what to do about lead. What does Aurapter propose about black? Is your answer Zyklon B? It's known to be more deadly than G-23 Paxilon.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
How about working to restoring the black family unit ? Ya know, keep dads at home, rather than in jail or off knocking up 2,3,4 more unwed future welfare moms ?

Your absurd , twisted view of me is truly a work of colorful ( can I say that ? ) fiction.

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You're right. I don't want to pay taxes to solve the problem. Because trillions of dollars to The Great Society has only made matters worse, not better.

Big govt isn't the solution to the problems. It IS the problem.

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How about working to restoring the black family unit ?

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How about working to restoring the black family unit ?

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How do you put the "family" back together? What does this entail?

It's true there's a such thing as the impact of poverty increased on single mothers because in poor communities the men often go elsewhere for work... Or commit crime and end up in jail.

I hear suggestions about putting the family unit back together and I'm wondering what is being proposed.

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As I mentioned, don't send so many black males to jail , for one. Certainly not for petty, non violent crimes ( of course, that applies to any one, white/ black/ brown... )

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Also, stop the welfare free buffet table. Cut back on what can be bought w/ WIC cards, as well as limiting the amount of $ that any 1 family can receive.

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The authors find that applicants with white-sounding names are 50 percent more likely to get called for an initial interview than applicants with African-American-sounding names.

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The sickness isn't w/ the guns. It's with the people.

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and again... Where was that Good Guy with a Gun we were promised?

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What about a culture that worships guns?

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1886076,00.html

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You're right. I don't want to pay taxes to solve the problem. Because trillions of dollars to The Great Society has only made matters worse, not better.

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What about a culture that worships guns?

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You calling for a white revolution, son?

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What about a culture that worships guns?

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1886076,00.html

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Actually, I see nothing inherently wrong with being enthusiastic about weaponry.

Many cultures in the past have been so, without being particularly warmongering or violent relative to the times. Of course, they're distinguished by a RESPECT and DISCIPLINE for those weapons as well, which might be lacking in this particular case.

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ETA: There is ONE thing I fault black people for, and it is the way I see their children being raised: carelessly dragging their children around the mall/ grocery store, talking or texting on a smart phone and only paying enough attention to yell at the kid(s) when they misbehave grossly,smacking 'em upside the head. Really? Children need to be TAUGHT that you don't go ramming your younger brother with the baby's stroller, or race around the store with a shopping cart. It's what I call the "careless model" of parenting.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I'm with Magons. I see exactly what Sig described, and I see it done by white parents every (rare, thank gawd) time I go to the mall or a store. I see it in parking lots and the grocery store, too, and those I do go to regularly.

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What about a culture that worships guns?

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1886076,00.html

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Actually, I see nothing inherently wrong with being enthusiastic about weaponry.

Many cultures in the past have been so, without being particularly warmongering or violent relative to the times. Of course, they're distinguished by a RESPECT and DISCIPLINE for those weapons as well, which might be lacking in this particular case.

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Show me an example....

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I said "relative." They still had violence and wars and dipshits and murders and bandits.

But some cultures that use and teach weapons and fighting styles actually do value and preach peaceful coexistence. Whether they live up to it is another matter.

Kinda like how Christians are supposed to be peaceful, but totally aren't.

Whether there is actually violence though is a product of the rhetoric of the leadership and the circumstances of the people. If there is peace and there aren't agendas trumpeting fear and war, people can HAVE weapons but think of them and use them mostly peacefully.

The Chinese for example are very into martial arts and weapons, and do have long histories of violence, but there were also long periods of peace and stability. Similarly, India has its own martial arts systems, and has a large number of buddhists (which it shares in common with China). Buddhists aren't perfect, but tend to value peace.

Decades ago in the US, there was still discontent and still murders, but middle class society was much calmer, less galvanized. Boy scouts were all taught to shoot, and guns were thought of primarily as a hunting tool. Retrospective movies had ten year old children asking for BB rifles for christmas, and getting them.

Somethings stay the same, but as society gets more frenzied and frantic and interactions between people become less meaningful and more annoying, as the news reports the negatives for shock value, as the system grows more corrupt and politicians and their support on radio and loudspeakers more manipulative, civilization becomes more violent. The weapons were always here. The violence was always here. But it becomes more more notable.

I don't really blame the weapons for these changes.

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"In Switzerland, we have a very low murder rate and yet all male citizens over 20 are required by law to have a gun in the house, so your argument
is invalid. People kill people, the gun is just a tool."

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Check your Sanity today!

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I said "relative." They still had violence and wars and dipshits and murders and bandits.

But some cultures that use and teach weapons and fighting styles actually do value and preach peaceful coexistence. Whether they live up to it is another matter.

Kinda like how Christians are supposed to be peaceful, but totally aren't.

Whether there is actually violence though is a product of the rhetoric of the leadership and the circumstances of the people. If there is peace and there aren't agendas trumpeting fear and war, people can HAVE weapons but think of them and use them mostly peacefully.

The Chinese for example are very into martial arts and weapons, and do have long histories of violence, but there were also long periods of peace and stability. Similarly, India has its own martial arts systems, and has a large number of buddhists (which it shares in common with China). Buddhists aren't perfect, but tend to value peace.

Decades ago in the US, there was still discontent and still murders, but middle class society was much calmer, less galvanized. Boy scouts were all taught to shoot, and guns were thought of primarily as a hunting tool. Retrospective movies had ten year old children asking for BB rifles for christmas, and getting them.

Somethings stay the same, but as society gets more frenzied and frantic and interactions between people become less meaningful and more annoying, as the news reports the negatives for shock value, as the system grows more corrupt and politicians and their support on radio and loudspeakers more manipulative, civilization becomes more violent. The weapons were always here. The violence was always here. But it becomes more more notable.

I don't really blame the weapons for these changes.

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I can't really agree with your examples, because you haven't demonstrated that those societies that had a culture of weapon worship weren't violent, in fact, you say the opposite, that they were generally involved in wars/

Even the US, was the population ever peaceful? You have a history of armed conflict on your own lands, including using aforesaid weaponpry against people who lived on those lands. And if the early years of the 20th century felt peaceful if you lived there (except of course if you were Black) they weren't exactly peaceful for your nation? How many wars were you involved in?

Your culture is rife with violence. Your films are filled with increasing levels of violence and violence is often seen as a valid solution, for protection, for revenge.

Add into the mix a sense of entitlement over weapons ownership that is absolutely fixed and an extroadinary number of firearms in circulation, and OF COURSE you have a situation where gun violence is prevalent. The saddest, most pathetic part about it is the constant hand wringing and clueless deflection - 'what could this all be caused by?' If the outcomes weren't so tragic, it would be laughable.

So the fact that you cannot see weapons as being part of the problem just demonstrates how deep that indoctination goes.

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Our society has gone mad and is eating itself alive, but the idea of reaching for guns as the SOLUTION makes no sense at all; it's a propagandized viewpoint. In fact, it is that viewpoint which is breaking the society down. So let's double down on whatever we're doing wrong 'cause I'm sure it will fix the problem.

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That's just what THEY want you to think !


Things are bad, man.

REALLY FREAKIN BAD!

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