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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Sig. You're so over thinking this comparison, it doesn't even warrant discussion.

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Hmmm.... which is the bigger problem for Americans to solve... 4 (maybe 6!) dead in Kenya, 31,000 dead in the USA of gun deaths? Oh, I'd think this thing through but that's too much thinking! It makes my head hurt!

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Originally posted by Geezer:


I have to disagree. There may be laws in place, but the fact is that most people agree with them and follow them voluntarily, or the system wouldn't work. If a majority of folks didn't have a philosophical belief in the system of laws, law enforcement wouldn't be able to maintain the system.

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I've mentioned minarchist societies that have law enforcement several times in this and other threads, so I'm not sure where you get this idea. I'm beginning to get the impression that you don't actually read through my responses, but just fill in with what you think I'm going to say, based on your stereotype of me.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
The very nature of law is that it is non voluntary. You don't have to agree with a law, you just have to follow it. That is the very essence of laws. Sure you can change a law, with lots of effort, but to change a system takes more than not believing, it takes believing in something else and the wherewithal to implement drastic change.

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I dont happen to agree with a lot of our tax laws, but I don't get to choose. So I have to follow them.

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Your definition from Wiki is a useless one.

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I believe in "individual liberty, political freedom, and voluntary association" and I'm not anything like a libertarian.

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Yeah I do believe in non aggression and a proportionate response in self defence. from what I can gather, 'proportional response' seems to mean something quite different in the States, but that is neither here nor there. I believe in these principles, and I believe in the laws that prevent people from conducting themselves otherwise, you know the laws that currently exist. So does that make me a libertarian?

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I guess I find your defence of libertarianism kind of strange, seeing as you believe in the most watered down version of this system. As I said before, you appear to believe in the system we live with, minus the laws and regulation that you don't like. It's not a very consistent set of views, as far as I can see and not particularly aligned with libertarianism.

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Originally posted by G:
Registration is just the start to curtailing the number of unregistered guns used in violent crimes. When you put a person's name to a serial number (or chip) and a Consequence for not keeping that gun under their protection, it lessons the opportunities for the gun to be used in a crime. No, it's not perfect. Yes, it can be defeated, but the harder you make it the fewer people will try.

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Fwiw - I'm not a librlz - I know gun owners and hunters etc., I have no interest in making their life hell.

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I also figured out what "blank" is from my earlier posts. I said 'raise money with mandatory registration and that money could go to blank.' I think blank is a pool for Buy Back programs. Unregistered guns are too easy to get in some cities, in some areas. If you make the value of a gun higher at a BBProgram, than it's street value, I think you stand a chance of having it taken off the street. Sure, it can be replaced quickly, but I'd be happy to play that game with gun registration money.
It has worked, just not in this country, I don't think we've really, I mean Really tried.

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So, basic human instincts: Make the cost of entry too high, and the cost of exit low, and it starts making the illegal guns go in the other direction. Devil's in the details though.

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I did not know that they rarely prosecute - why the eff not???? That's fascinating - can't imagine - too many to prosecute? Not enough jails cells? If you know why or have a guess I'd be interested in hearing.

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I love movies, but I'll never be convinced that the preponderance of violent films and games don't directly influence the level of violence in our society. Amazon's front page is not a large enough sample size - next time you are at Walmart, Target, Best Buy, whatever your local big box is, try my experiment again. Yeah, it goes up and down by section definitely, Action has more guns than Romance - do they even have a Romance section any more? Overall though it's pretty amazing.

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Originally posted by Geezer:

And without laws, everyone would just run wild? Seems to be what you're saying - that few people have enough personal ethics to stay under control without threat of force by the government.

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2 completely, unrelated issues, and you're distorting them in a false side by side, to try to paint an inaccurate 'perspective'

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Radical Islamic zealots, once again, go on a killing spree for Allah, and you try to divert the discussion to gun deaths and brain eating parasites.

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It's so against your very fiber to deal w/ the issue of Islamic radicalism, you'll bury your head in the sand.

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Islamic fanaticism does not start & end with al Qaeda ... No, you addressed nothing on the matter.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Signy did something you NEVER do. She actually posted about why radical Islam is growing, and also some solutions.

Pull your head in, you never post ANYTHING relevant in threads, just the same old hackneyed, defeated lines.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And YOUR solution, rappy? Other than running around shitting your pants, and bombing the very people who might be allies?

I gave you a lot of chances to engage in an adult conversation, and a lot of polite suggestions, but I'm so done with you because you're just a panic-stricken little boy, and you're boring.

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The modern Islamic fundamentalist movements have their origins in the late 19th century.[25] The Wahhabi movement, an Arabian fundamentalist movement that began in the 18th century, gained traction and spread during the 19th and 20th centuries.[26] During the Cold War following World War II, some NATO governments, particularly those of the United States and the United Kingdom, launched covert and overt campaigns to encourage and strengthen fundamentalist groups in the Middle East and southern Asia. These groups were seen as a hedge against potential expansion by the atheistic Soviet Union, and as a means to prevent the growth of nationalistic movements that were not necessarily favorable toward the interests of the Western nations.[27] By 1970s the Islamists had become important allies in supporting governments, such as Egypt, which were friendly to U.S. interests. By the late 1970s, however, some fundamentalist groups had become militaristic leading to threats and changes to existing regimes. The overthrow of the Shah in Iran and rise of the Ayatollah Khomeini was one of the most significant signs of this shift.[28] Subsequently fundamentalist forces in Algeria caused a civil war, caused a near-civil war in Egypt, and caused the downfall of the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan.[29] In many cases the military wings of these groups were supplied with money and arms by the U.S. and U.K.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Right, because I really think that is okay.

Sheesh, you're a drongo...

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
You're just arguing for the sake of it. When the bigger picture is discussed, you say that it doesn't excuse the atrocities, which no one has ever said that it does.

You don't see or understand the bigger picture. You say the same thing over and over again like a demented organ monkey you can speak one line only.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

... is ignoring the bigger picture.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

... is ignoring the bigger picture.

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Ok, big picture. I don't ignore it. I understand it quite well. What am I supposed to do about it? If you had the power, what would you do about it?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What would folks do if the Westboro Baptist cult folks started to preach violence. Get violent themselves ? Because as bad as the WBC folks are, radical Isalm is 1000 x worse.

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Investigate,

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raise awareness,

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have a call to arms ...

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yes, basically persecute the violence out of that religion. But that's just me.

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The MSM loved to keep a tally of US troops KIA over in Iraq and Afghanistan. Post a runny tally of how many have died from the direct actions of " Jihad ", and remind folks on the nightly news, at least every time it happens. If not weekly.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Actually, I'm not. If you can't see the obvious difference here, then I'd say you're arguing because you can't admit the facts. And yes, I'm gonna keep saying the same thing over and over till the freaking 10 watt bulb lights up over your head.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

... is ignoring the bigger picture.

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Ok, big picture. I don't ignore it. I understand it quite well. What am I supposed to do about it? If you had the power, what would you do about it?

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. Investigate, raise awareness, have a call to arms ... yes, basically persecute the violence out of that religion. But that's just me.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I gave an answer, Storybook.

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with 27 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each....

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Mags- then you're admitting your refusal to learn anything. Got it.

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Originally posted by G:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

The MSM loved to keep a tally of US troops KIA over in Iraq and Afghanistan. Post a running tally of how many have died from the direct actions of " Jihad ", and remind folks on the nightly news, at least every time it happens. If not weekly.

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You really don't get the MSM. At all. They aren't going to scare their audience AWAY, just enough to keep them glued. Viewers relate to The Troops, not jihadists.
Does Fox News talk about jihad deaths?
Why don't you post the numbers and events when they happen here? Having a running thread.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OH LOOK! When I bring up preventable American deaths... even preventable American deaths due to gun violence... Rappy claims it's "not relevant" to American deaths overseas due to terrorism.

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And then he brings up the Westboro Church.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Hahahahahahahahah!!!

GASP!!

Tee hee hee hee hee hee!

Heh heh heh heh heh!

Chortle!

Guffaw!

Mmmmpph!

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