Missing you, Nikki..... by 6IXSTRINGJACK

Dude.

Do you have any idea how pathetic you make yourself look with stuff like this? How miserably empty your life sounds?

Honestly, I'd rather be old and looking back at a life well-lived than mid-30's and somehow desperate enough to create the kind of post you made here.

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Monday, October 21, 2013 12:35 PM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It's really gotta suck to be old with no sexual charisma left in the tank these days. Neither of my parents would have begged for non-sexual based sympathy. It's really sad....

Not nearly as sad as being of prime age, and so pathetic and/or drunk no one wants to touch you...

So, I can see why it might make you feel less pathetic for just a sec to attack niki - even if the reality is it makes you look oh so much worse.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, October 21, 2013 12:39 PM

Aw, you guys ruined the beautiful chain of non-responses Jack was getting.

In the silence between words, I could hear the echoes of mortality and their desperate plea for significance.

Performance art at it's finest.

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Monday, October 21, 2013 12:54 PM

America loves a winner!

* Does not approve of the OP's message *

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Monday, October 21, 2013 1:45 PM

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Performance art at it's finest.

Bit it feels somewhat derivative of his old work...

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Monday, October 21, 2013 2:27 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Shame on you guys; you got me, hee, hee, hee! I know what to expect from one of Sux's posts (what IS this obsession he has with me, anyway?), so I didn't bother reading...until it got responses, then my curiosity won out (and I've got to add: "Go Byte!", I agree). So I read this, and had a great laugh. Now I'm through laughing, I can't resist:

I would have a VERY hard time complaining about my life, and compared to Sux's, it's been a glorious one.

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Monday, October 21, 2013 2:45 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

i just wanna touch storymark!

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Monday, October 21, 2013 2:57 PM

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Bit it feels somewhat derivative of his old work...

You don't look into a gallery displaying Duchamp and expect Monet.

Instead, you get toilets.

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Monday, October 21, 2013 2:59 PM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
i just wanna touch storymark!

Sorry, I like the ladies.

And prefer to spend my time with sane folk.

Though I do have to laugh at the demented pathology of someone who makes themselves feel better by attacking what they perceive as an old woman...

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, October 21, 2013 3:23 PM

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Bit it feels somewhat derivative of his old work...

You don't look into a gallery displaying Duchamp and expect Monet.

Instead, you get toilets.

You get a lot more than that. :) Duchamp had actual range and vision.

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Monday, October 21, 2013 3:58 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I pretty much got it all.

Everything's paid for and I'm just in my mid thirties. I'm not fat and I'm not a father and I'm disease free.

Think you got it all? That's pretty sad, because from where I'm standing you got nothing. Without the love of your spouse, children and grandchildren all you have is your own selfish meaningless possessions and a black abyss of loneliness to keep you company. No man is an island, and if he insists that he is, it's only a matter of time before the empty shell of the life he's erected comes crashing down....hard.

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Monday, October 21, 2013 4:07 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I pretty much got it all.

Everything's paid for and I'm just in my mid thirties. I'm not fat and I'm not a father and I'm disease free.

Think you got it all? That's pretty sad, because from where I'm standing you got nothing. Without the love of your spouse, children and grandchildren all you have is your own selfish meaningless possessions and a black abyss of loneliness to keep you company. No man is an island, and if he insists that he is, it's only a matter of time before the empty shell of the life he's erected comes crashing down....hard.

Aren't you just projecting your own views onto 6ix, as 6ix is doing onto Niki ?

As Mal says, we all got on this boat for different reasons. What 1 person may hold as important or worth while, may not be the same for another.

Saying " you don't have X, so your life sucks! " is subjective, imo.

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Monday, October 21, 2013 4:17 PM

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Aren't you just projecting your own views onto 6ix, as 6ix is doing onto Niki ?

As Mal says, we all got on this boat for different reasons. What 1 person may hold as important or worth while, may not be the same for another.

Saying " you don't have X, so your life sucks! " is subjective, imo.

I agree with this.

Plenty of people live very contentedly on their own, sometimes their entire lives.

Thinking that 6ix is pathetic, for me, has little to do with what he has and everything with how he acts.

If someone came here bragging about their loving marriage and 16 brilliant grandchildren over and over again, especially in order to contrast that with someone else's alleged inferiority, I'd be fairly certain they are leading an unfulfilling existence, too.

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Monday, October 21, 2013 4:33 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Aren't you just projecting your own views onto 6ix, as 6ix is doing onto Niki ?

No. He made fun of her w/o direct provocation, while I addressed his statement about what he had.

"I used to think I didn't need children to complete my life, but now I cannot imagine life without them." Jean Luc Picard ..."The Inner Light"

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Monday, October 21, 2013 4:45 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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As Mal says, we all got on this boat for different reasons. What 1 person may hold as important or worth while, may not be the same for another.

Saying " you don't have X, so your life sucks! " is subjective, imo.

In violent agreement with you here.

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Monday, October 21, 2013 5:17 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Aren't you just projecting your own views onto 6ix, as 6ix is doing onto Niki ?

No. He made fun of her w/o direct provocation,

We're in agreement over that ...

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while I addressed his statement about what he had.

So, because he did it, it's o.k. for others to reply in kind ?

I kinda see what you're doing, flipping his comments back onto him, but if it's wrong to do, it's wrong to do.

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Monday, October 21, 2013 5:25 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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I kinda see what you're doing, flipping his comments back onto him, but if it's wrong to do, it's wrong to do.

It's wrong to do, since when? He's a big boy. Whaddaya going all John McCain on me now?

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Monday, October 21, 2013 5:53 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I kinda see what you're doing, flipping his comments back onto him, but if it's wrong to do, it's wrong to do.

It's wrong to do, since when? He's a big boy. Whaddaya going all John McCain on me now?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, October 21, 2013 9:33 PM

Psyche 101.

Clearly, Jack has a deep-seated need to crow about his perceived superiority over Niki. But why? If he actually *felt* superior, he could just sit quietly on his high moral ground and twirl his mustache while he gloats. If he actually *was* superior, his quiet sitting may include such thoughts as: "I do indeed have a better life than this poor woman, I wonder how could I help her with my special skills and abilities and my blessed place in life..."

OK, so obviously the latter option is waaaaay out the running.

His ongoing attempts to place himself in a superior position pretty blatantly speak of an ego which is fragile, so even option 1 is unlikely. If he truly felt superior, he would never create a post like this. Why would he bother arguing if the Truth was obvious and undeniable?

Why does he start these threads that are cries for someone, anyone to recognize his place as Better Than Niki? It's obvious: of course, he feels worse and needs the boost.

So what is it about Niki that makes him feel so small and inadequate?

I have a guess. Of course. :) Niki is fully and completely herself, without shame or apology for anything about herself with may be outside the norm (in fact, she has a very healthy rejection of the "norm.") She says what she is thinking, shares her life, admits her weaknesses and mistakes as well as her good stuff, as if it's all no big deal.

This is completely unacceptable to Jack.

Why?

Litte man. Terrified of being honest about who he is. Terrified about sharing what he's really thinking because the only times he does that is when he's in his cups, eight sheets to the wind and fried out of his fucking mind. When he shares what's real to him it's scary shit. Anti-woman shit.

He doesn't have it in him to be real the way that Niki can.

And maybe there's another part to it. It's not only that Niki is *real* in a way that most anonymous posters aren't, it's that she reveals her true self as a WOMAN yet without those traits that are all a tool like Jack really values in a female human. She is and will never be any kind of sex toy to him, she will not be pressured by him to act any sort of feminine way or put on any sort of feminine look. She has absolutely no desire to impress or attract him. She just does not give a shit about what he wants.

This is Jack's worst nightmare: he is powerless to understand her or to make her change or to make her ashamed or to even to annoy her. Jack. Manly man. Powerless next to a weird freaky deak hippy-dip of an old lady.

No wonder it drives him batshit.

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Monday, October 21, 2013 9:54 PM

In all honesty, I think that it's a great bit simpler than this, and sometimes I doubt that Jack is really a drunk or really doesn't have anyone.

Frem has often warned Jack of the deep-seated political reactions that have been all but hardwired into him that he's been trying to break away from as a newly identifying independent. But they have a powerful hold over him.

He does have issues with women, but if his issues were really that he couldn't HAVE someone, he'd be like what he is with Niki towards everyone on Fireflyfans. And he also wouldn't waste his time flirting with the bitchy asexual genderqueer anarchist who has zero interest and reacts only with sarcasm and contempt.

In short, he does it to troll, and directs it particularly towards political opinions he dislikes. What he says to Niki I can only presume is the same kind of bizarre insincere troll flirting I get, but weighted more antagonistic. In some circles, it is referred to as "negging." Don't look it up if you value your sanity.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 6:05 AM

I think it's more than political, because he doesn't go after other liberals on the board. There is something in particular about Niki that gets him. You only have to look at what criticizes her for: being old, being honest, being outspoken. His brain sees those as negative traits and he goes bonkers that she won't apologize for what she is and change.

My Psych 101 is where I guess that he hates these traits because he envies them, or deep down he knows that these are the areas where he fails. Something like this tends to be why people act the way he has here, in my experience.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:01 AM

He dislikes liberalism and sees Niki as an "organizer" for the liberals on the board and that she posts the "most liberal" content, much like Wulf, AuRaptor, and Jongstraw do. As such she becomes a convenient target. If she wasn't liberal her long posts and frank opinions wouldn't bother them half as much as they do.

And sometimes he likes to throw out insults that are completely unrelated to her liberalism just to get a reaction. "Old." "Sexless." "Hippy." And he got one.

This probably sounds familiar to you all, Jack's not the only person who does this.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:28 AM

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And sometimes he likes to throw out insults that are completely unrelated to her liberalism just to get a reaction. "Old." "Sexless." "Hippy." And he got one.

This probably sounds familiar to you all, Jack's not the only person who does this.

Actually, I'm pretty sure he is the only one to make such blatantly misogynistic attacks. I don't recall Auraptor expending quite this much focus on Niki's age or sexuality. None of his responses ever struck me as deeply disturbing personal attacks of the nature 6ix attempts to make.

ETA: I also can't help but view this in the light of other thigs 6ix regularly says about women in general.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:32 AM

"Wulf."

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:48 AM

Wulf posts that kind of women-hating stuff about Niki? I had him more solidly associated with other problematic issues.

Honestly, Byte, whether or not 6ix is a pathetic, drunk, misogynistic troll or just pretends to be one... does it matter? If it's an act, it'd be as pointless as the real thing is. Convincing as hell, though.

You seem to find something redeeming about him, and you're more than welcome to it (he can use any support he can get), but I don't follow your logic that because he doesn't direct it at you, who is neither of advanced age nor liberal, this somehow proves there is no misogynistic malice in him saying these things about Niki.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:07 AM

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You seem to find something redeeming about him, and you're more than welcome to it (he can use any support he can get), but I don't follow your logic that because he doesn't direct it at you, who is neither of advanced age nor liberal, this somehow proves there is no misogynistic malice in him saying these things about Niki.

You seem to be making a habit lately of attributing arguments to me that I've never said.

Jack is incredibly misogynistic, and I find nothing redeeming about him. I just happen to believe that he's trolling you guys because you're liberals. You can both be something and also play up that something to deliberately annoy people at the same time.

I can break this down further. The logic here relies mostly on stereotypes, which Jack embraces fully for the maximum annoyance power. Jack thinks of Niki as a "hippy" and she's bisexual which to him means "lesbian" and "sexless" and then her age adds additional layer of insult to the last one. But ultimately, all of these stereotypes fall under one particularly provoking category for Jack, and that is that they're all left-wing liberal stereotypes.

Which is why he is not only a transparent troll, but also an embarrassingly weak troll. Who, for some reason, seems to believe he can compete with me.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:25 AM

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You seem to be making a habit lately of attributing arguments to me that I've never said.

Jack is incredibly misogynistic, and I find nothing redeeming about him. I just happen to believe that he's trolling you guys because you're liberals. You can both be something and also play up that something to deliberately annoy people at the same time.

He invests years worth of posts very consistently building up the persona of a lonely, defensive drunk only to have more credibility when creating a hateful/pathetic troll post? Well, that's certainly be committment.

I guess, if I misunderstood your point, I was mostly led astray by this earlier quote...

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He does have issues with women, but if his issues were really that he couldn't HAVE someone, he'd be like what he is with Niki towards everyone on Fireflyfans. And he also wouldn't waste his time flirting with the bitchy asexual genderqueer anarchist who has zero interest and reacts only with sarcasm and contempt.

...which seemed to draw some causal logic within his behavior that I don't follow. He flirts with you and only directs his verbal assaults at Niki, therefor...he couldn't possibly be as fucked up as he appears? If that's not what you meant to say, I will be quite happy I misunderstood you. I just couldn't parse out by myself what you really did mean.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:31 AM

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He invests years worth of posts very consistently building up the persona of a lonely, defensive drunk only to have more credibility when creating a hateful/pathetic troll post? Well, that's certainly be committment.

What credibility? He's trolling. He might be drunk sometimes, who knows? But he's still trolling.

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...which seemed to draw some causal logic within his behavior that I don't follow. He flirts with you and only directs his verbal assaults at Niki, therefor...he couldn't possibly be as fucked up as he appears? If that's not what you meant to say, I will be quite happy I misunderstood you. I just couldn't parse out by myself what you really did mean.

Oh, he's not flirting with me. It's yet more troll behaviour. I call it flirting because it's fake insincere flirting that is intended to troll.

And you also missed underlining the part where I said outright that he DOES have issues with women. They're just secondary to his tendency to see everything in terms of stereotypes and his knee-jerk reactions.

He acts the way he does towards Niki because she's the primary liberal target on the board. Much like other behaviours we can observe directed towards Niki.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:53 AM

I don't agree with you Byte. I don't think Jack is all about attacking liberals. His attacks seem more personal than that to me, as I explained above with my full reasoning.

I am fine with you disagreeing with me, what I find annoying is how you make statements of your opinion as if it is fact and no other interpretation is possible. ie "What credibility? He's trolling." Stated as an inarguable fact, though how do you really know? "He acts the way he does towards Niki because she's the primary liberal target on the board." Stated as an inarguable fact, but it is far FAR from it!

Byte, perhaps you and I would get in less arguments if you would state your opinions as only that, and not rule out my opinions in such an off hand way.

Again, I'm fine with you seeing things your way. Really. What I don't like is how dismissive you are being to my viewpoint without ever addressing the reasons I gave for thinking like I do. You are not the final word on anything, no matter how strongly you believe what you do.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
He acts the way he does towards Niki because she's the primary liberal target on the board. Much like other behaviours we can observe directed towards Niki.

I see it more like Mal4Prez does, I guess. His particular focus on Niki and the nature of his attacks are a pretty disturbing expression of his particular brand of misogyny and her pronounced political contrast is only an aspect and perhaps a good excuse for that. He enjoys hurling this stuff at her because she eludes his categories of what a woman is supposed to be: Young, in agreement with him, passive.

I mostly believe this because his posts are in the vast majority of time framed in a personal way, not a political perspective. He HAS political views and argues them, but it's never unconnected to his own personal woes: money, jobs, drinking, The House, evil women, etc. I cannot see his comments toward Niki as some detached trolling format in that light. It feels as personal as the other stuff. And fits seemlessly with it.

I actually think your version of events in more comforting. I just can't share it.

Anyway. I've spent enough time dwelling on this sad post. :)

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:22 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I see it more like Mal4Prez does

Yeah, me too.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:50 PM

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He enjoys hurling this stuff at her because she eludes his categories of what a woman is supposed to be: Young, in agreement with him, passive.

Jack thinks any girl older than 25 is old.... So maybe that's accurate for everyone here. But name one girl here who is in agreement with Jack ever, or is passive towards Jack ever.

You and Mal4Prez don't see how the right wing people and Jack see Niki, but I do. She is targeted because she is seen as, or as trying to be, a liberal ringleader. I imagine she doesn't see herself that way, and you all see yourselves as friends-allies-fellow travelers etc. I am not commenting on whether she is or not, only on how the situation is perceived by your opposition.

It is for this reason that I disagree with your arguments and put forward my opinion as more factual - because you don't have the same parts of the picture that I do. This is no fault of your own. You couldn't be expected to have this information because you don't have the same connection I do with the people who do this kind of thing. I have heard them say this stuff. I know why they're doing it and why they target her.

I'm sorry if it makes me seem arrogant or dismissive, but I have a different perspective than you all do, and in this case I think it happens to be more accurate.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:22 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

BYTE, there are women here who are either as liberal as, or more left-wing than NIKI, including MAGONS and KIKI. There are people here who post more frequently than NIKI, and yet they're not targeted with the same animus. So I don't think it's entirely a product of either the nature or the frequency of posts. 6IXPACK reacts viscerally to NIKI. Is it political? Yes. It is personal? Yes. What it isn't is a cool-headed strategy by a mastermind rightwinger. It's a drunken reaction of fear.

NIKI represents everything that threatens 6IXPACK's worldview... the worldview that puts 6IX at the apex, of course. Because he's a man, he's smart, he's hardworking, and healthy, and he plays by libertarian rules. By all rights NIKI shouldn't exist and enjoy her life. THOSE rewards belong to the faithful, the Ayn Randists, damnit! It doesn't help that JACK's life has turned into a dead end of drinking to make him feel even more uncertain, sorrier for himself, and more afraid of his future, and that's why he lashes out so strongly.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:26 PM

Okay. Did you all suddenly forget how Jongstraw was spamming the board because in his mind Niki spams the board?

I'm not saying one of you is the "alpha-liberal" or anything like that. I'm not saying there aren't people who post more than Niki (there are) and I'm not saying there aren't people to the left of Niki on the political spectrum (there are). I'm saying that it's a matter of perspective.

And to the right wing, they see Niki as trying to be the liberal ringleader, whenever they see her post they see it as her trying to "rally the troops." Is it what's really going on with the left-wing? No, you're all just doing your own thing and happen to be on the same-ish side of the political spectrum. But it's what they think. And because of that, they attack her.

Everything Jack has said so far has seemed to me blatantly some aspect of his political and ideological disagreement with Niki, including the part about her sex life. Is it personal? Oh yes, as personal as it is whenever AuRaptor or Kwicko called each other assholes. But it is MOTIVATED by politics.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:27 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Interesting psychological discussion, and psychosocial insights from what's been posted, too. Amusing it turned into a psychological dissection of sux, which probably isn't what he had intended.

I'm with Mal4, too, about sux, tho' I must say I'm deeply humbled by her vision of me and don't think I live up to it.

Rouka: " Wulf posts that kind of women-hating stuff about Niki?"

Well, "Actually, Niki. You, and yours, are a dying breed. Feel that? Its age creeping up on you. Hurts a little more getting up in the morning, doesn't it? Thank GOD, you and your kind are finally starting to die off. Hurry up already." I don't consider that misogynistic, just hateful, and certainly with political overtones. I've seen woman-hating from Wulf, but not necessarily directed at me because I'm female. Tho' he has also called me a "barren succubus".

I want to say straight out that Rap has NEVER gone after me in the kind of terms sux, wulf and others have; his derogatory remarks to me have all centered around politics, and we have been quite friendly outside the area of politics. I've always found that very strange, but when he's civil, I'm happy to join him.

Jong's done pretty good at times: "Memo to fat and ugly and demented psycho Niki" and " Glad you got the mesaage (sic) you stupid old hag". But again, I don't see him as particularly misogynistic.

I stopped reading sux's shit not long after "isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps", so I'm sure I've missed a LOT since then, given that was back in June of last year.

But if you want sheer, unadulterated hateful misogyny, nobody has ever come close to Kane--remember Kane? Now THIS is just a taste of his hatred: " Niki--condescending arrogant fat old bi-polar hag .... You are an asshole whore .... I do hate you ... You are an arrogant douche ... you fucking fat twinkie eating, money stealing whore ....but what else should I expect from a fucking shit-eating libtard mind. Now go do your research you fucking idiot ... You are an old whore... fuck off .... You filthy dirty rotten old hag. You are an old cunt of a women. Go sit on a bike with no seat. Read what I just wrote, again, once more.....now go die ... She is talking out of her old fat ass. Who is the bigger fucking idiot...you or that fat old white-haired, Buddhist, vegetable loving, hemp wearing, chronic masturbator ... I tell two douche bags that they are either gay or a stupid whore...just a girl telling liberal idiots to fuck themselves. How is that trolling? You need to reevaluate your last two posts...or eat dick...or a lot of dicks .... My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike....if you had a soul."

sux has a long ways to go to get down to Kane's level, but I'm sure he'll keep trying. ;o)

I also disagree that I am the "primary liberal target on the board". I POST more threads than others, certainly, but when it comes to politics, there are several other "lefties" here, Mark and Sig among them, who get just as much ugliness as I do, and sometimes more. And yes, sux's material, what I remember of it, has always been pretty heavily personal rather than political where I'm concerned. What's always mystified me is why he's so obsessed with me, when I've been ignoring him for over a year, in which time he's put up at least two threads that I can recall which were directed personally at me. Very strange, very sad.

Rouka, my guess is that Byte's comment which you underlined comes out of her recent decision that she hates, hates, HATES me...it's a nice excuse to call me names, she may not have thought beyond that, which might explain it. Her antipathy isn't shared; the problem on my side stems only from what bothers Mal4 as well: "I am fine with you disagreeing with me, what I find annoying is how you make statements of your opinion as if it is fact and no other interpretation is possible." That and her determination to have everyone accept her as "evil" or something, are somewhat annoying, but she often makes good, intelligent points, has yet to be vicious to anyone, and I have no problem with her. However, the mere idea that ANYONE here is "competing" with her for trolling is hysterical. If Byte has ever "trolled", I've missed it, or she doesn't grasp what trolling actually is. She's neither evil nor a troll, in my opinion.

In the end, tho', you're right; it's a sad thread put up by a very sad person, and neither he nor I are deserving of as much attention as it's gotten.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:34 PM

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Honestly, Byte, whether or not 6ix is a pathetic, drunk, misogynistic troll or just pretends to be one... does it matter?

I say no.

"You are who you pretend to be."

Act like a "pathetic, drunk, misogynistic troll" and whether it is sincere or not, that IS how you will be perceived.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:41 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well, I was writing my response since Sig's "me too", so missed everything since then. Just FYI, the last thing I ever see myself as is "a liberal ringleader". Given what I've seen posted to others, I have my doubts that anyone else sees me that way either. I'm not even positive Jong did his "board slather" simply BECAUSE of me, tho' it may well have been a contributory factor.

I will also remark again that Byte's perceptions have proven to be inaccurate numerous times in the past, so "You couldn't be expected to have this information because you don't have the same connection I do with the people who do this kind of thing" doesn't necessarily mean anything. Bearing in mind that Byte and I communicated quite a bit privately, yet she has an opinion of me which is completely off the mark and now hates me (when before she COMMUNICATED with me at least as a friend), and added to that the fact that all any of us can know about one another is what we put forth, here or privately, I posit that Byte doesn't necessarily "know" the motivations of sux or anyone else any better than anyone here does, or they even do themselves.

We all come to our own conclusions about everything from our own filtered world view, and it might be mentioned that Byte has expressed somewhat of a bias against sex, love, marriage and women herself. Whenever we think we "know it all", we're in trouble of making decisions based on our "knowledge" and it doesn't usually serve us well. Better to accept that everyone's entitled to their own opinions, in my mind.

Also amusing to wonder why Byte is even IN this thread, given she's now made a contract with herself to studiously ignore me, and why she is so interested in discussing me... ;o)

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:45 PM

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Rouka, my guess is that Byte's comment which you underlined comes out of her recent decision that she hates, hates, HATES me...it's a nice excuse to call me names

Breaking my silence to ask: SINCE WHEN ARE YOU AN ANARCHIST?

I was referring to MYSELF. Because I am in fact a BITCHY ASEXUAL GENDERQUEER ANARCHIST.

Jesus. I have been careful actually NOT to call you names because I didn't want to be provoked into having to have a CONVERSATION with you. I was even trying to put my "right wing sees you as a liberal ringleader" theory as POLITELY as I possibly COULD.

But whatever! You don't need my perspective on any of this. You've all clearly made up your minds and you're in agreement with each other.

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women herself.

Also, WTF. Hey, let's tell Bytemite that she's anti-woman! It'll be funtastic!

Yep, totally hate you.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:56 PM

Byte, the fact that you see Niki as some ring leader does not make it so. It just doesn't, no matter how much you really really see things that way.

The fact that you are "privvy" to some knowledge I don't have doesn't make your vision clearer. Perhaps that knowledge you are referring to is your filter, and rather than revealing the truth to you it is clouding your vision.

Yes, that is my opinion of what's happening here, as well as in most exchanges I have with you. Witness: how quickly you become emotional, feel attacked, and withdraw from threads when disagreement with you is persistent. That, in my experience, is the result of a serious mental filter in action.

Back to Six issue: the fact that you see Niki as some liberal ring leader does not mean that every non-liberal on the board must also see her that way. The brain of every non-liberal is not the same. They are not you.

Again I wonder: are you capable of grokking that your view of things is not reality for everyone? I grok that just fine for me, which is why I try very hard to always state my opinions as such and why I tend not to get freaked/bothered/*insert better word* when others don't see things as I do.

Can you try that? It might help.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:01 PM

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Byte, the fact that you see Niki as some ring leader does not make it so. It just doesn't, no matter how much you really really see things that way.

OH MY GOD. I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY. I AM JUST TELLING YOU ALL WHAT COMMENTS THAT RIGHT WING FOLK HAVE MADE TO ME HAVE INDICATED.

SHOOT THE FUCKING MESSENGER, I DON'T EVEN CARE ANYMORE.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:03 PM

Niki:

I'm enjoying the pysch analysis of Six, and I did it quite purposely. What he did here is unacceptable. I know you can handle it, but I can't let it go.

I want Six to know exactly what he's revealing about himself when he pulls this crap. He's not doing what he intends, and he should feel pretty stupid about it.

That is, if he's not a pure troll. That's always possible! If he is, he should feel even stupider. And hairy and smelly and gross. :)

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:08 PM

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NIKI represents everything that threatens 6IXPACK's worldview... the worldview that puts 6IX at the apex, of course. Because he's a man, he's smart, he's hardworking, and healthy, and he plays by libertarian rules. By all rights NIKI shouldn't exist and enjoy her life. THOSE rewards belong to the faithful, the Ayn Randists, damnit! It doesn't help that JACK's life has turned into a dead end of drinking to make him feel even more uncertain, sorrier for himself, and more afraid of his future, and that's why he lashes out so strongly.

This.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:19 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Just want to mention, Byte - not everyone is strategic in their thinking. Some people naturally think that way - alliances, goals, tactics, etc. Other people view the world very differently. If I may offer some perspective from having a few decades of experience more than you - the older I get the more I see how radically different we are inside, what moves us, what we perceive.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:29 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

When it comes to Jack, I think his basic problem is that a large part of his identity is thinking that he's superior to women. And that he's smarter and knows more than any 'liberal'. Remember when he went on, and on ... and on ... about fiat money and the virtues of gold? Anyway, so here he his, faced with a result of his own decisions - in a situation most people would find stressful. Sooooo ... does he give up his identity as better than any woman or liberal and accept the reality around him as a result of his own errors? Or keep his identity and reject reality? Or ... drink some more to make the painful dilemna go away?

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:48 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Byte: My sincere apologies; I misunderstood and thought you were referring to me. Given the description you wrote doesn't fit you, either, in my opinion, and I may be mistaken, but I haven't seen you always "react only with sarcasm and contempt" to sux, I misunderstood.

Mal4, I think you misunderstood, too. Byte was quite clear that SHE doesn't see me as some ring leader, so "the fact that you see Niki as some ring leader" is inaccurate--from what I read she was trying to say that she came to believe from private conversations that's how our righties see me. I agree that it doesn't make her vision any clearer, but she never put forth that it was HER opinion of me, just that she believes she understands their views better than anyone else does from private conversations.

There I agree with Kiki, insofar as whether their feelings about women come into their hatred of me, or whether it's just political. If someone has negative or skewed feelings about women, they might well SAY their hatred comes only out of political differences, but it could well be more than that. To me, that's what Byte may be missing and why I think, were sux is concerned at least, she may be wrong. Most of us don't even understand OURSELVES all of what goes into our opinions; to assume we fully understand someone because of what they've claimed doesn't necessarily mean we have the entire picture.

This has gone way afield...if it ever had a field to begin with... ;o) I'm glad you enjoyed psychoanalyzing sux, tho' to me he's not interesting enough to even analyze. I think Kiki is pretty spot-on, too, tho' none of this explains why this poor, drunken loser keeps obsessing on me and from time to time just has to put up an entire thread "at" me...it's just weird. Just not that important, as far as I'm concerned.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:57 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"... tho' none of this explains why this poor, drunken loser keeps obsessing on me ..."

I think it was pretty well spelled out earlier. You should be the soft, easy target. You should be the miserable failure all his beliefs tell him should exist. But you aren't. You are the sharp stone in his shoe he can neither ignore nor eliminate. You are the rebuke to all his beliefs about himself and his place in the world. And when he gets drunk enough, all his impotent rage against the fact of your existence spews out.

As for why I post these things, I'm not intuitive about people. So I spend a lot of time trying to figure them out.

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:23 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Hee, hee, hee; it's funny, Kiki; like you, I don't understand some people and spend time trying to figure out what makes them tick. It's just that when it comes to people like sux, it just doesn't seem worth it.

So, what I think you're saying is that when he gets drunk enough, he comes here and lashes out at me? I guess that makes a certain amount of sense, in a weird way. At least it makes more "sense" than anything else I've been able to figure out, since I don't even READ his posts, much less respond tot hem...I guess putting up a thread with my name in it is maybe some way of hoping it will get my attention? Well, it did this time, but only because people REPLIED and that got my curiosity going, then I got involved in the discussion...

Lesson: If you don't want stupid threads like this to keep going, don't reply. Well, I guess that holds true for ANY thread...duh... ;o)

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Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:50 PM