Y'all need to hear this man... by chrisisall

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Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:15 PM

...or dismiss him. Whatever.

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Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:21 PM

America loves a winner!

Dismissed.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:29 PM

JONGSSTRAW

He's a jolly old soddy wanker, beloved by hundreds.

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Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:49 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Not a fan of revolution, it rarely improves things, nor a fan of Russell Brand, but I certainly understand his frustration and don't disagree with the things he said for the first few minutes...which is about as long as I was willing to watch. He's just not the first to say any of it, and I don't see him as having any viable answers.

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Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:50 PM

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Dismissed.

I see you give as good as you get.

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Saturday, October 26, 2013 8:54 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I don't see him as having any viable answers.

Do any of us? He's just using his fame to spread the word, kinda cool, that.
But... we can always ask the rightwingnuts here for viable answers.... if you prefer.

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Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:40 AM

OONJERAH

Hopeless submission. Isn't that what most of us do?
While we rationalize otherwise.

Activists come & go. A few are in it for Life.

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"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Sunday, October 27, 2013 6:00 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

I quite like Brand, but only agree with about 50% of what he says.

I like that he has the conversation at any rate...

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Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:19 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Dismissed.
I see you give as good as you get.

Yeah, like what - ever.

Says some stuff I agree with, and a lot I don't.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Sunday, October 27, 2013 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I quite like Brand, but only agree with about 50% of what he says.

I'd be interested in hearing what you disagree with Brand over, as I respect your opinions here more than most, MD.

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Sunday, October 27, 2013 1:49 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I agree with nearly everything he says. He's right: the system isn't working for the overwhelming majority of the people, and those in power aren't about to hand over their privileges and take down a corrupt system for the greater good.

OTOH, it's extremely doubtful we'll have a grassroots revolution, at least not here at the center of military, financial, and covert ops power. First of all, a true revolution would face the might of the US military and spy ops. Yanno, our military has taken out dozens if not hundreds of grassroots land reformers, social justice movements, and non-cooperative governments around the world. The only successful resistance has been at a distance, and backed by a large government. Do you really think the military/spy/propaganda machine would be ineffective here at home?

Secondly, there needs to be an alternative. People generally don't revolt unless they believe there is an alternate future for them.

I think the USA-international capital power structure is close to collapsing, not because of any internal disaffection but because the USA is now facing powerful, committed enemies, and has made the fatal error of stumbling economically. China, Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, and Brazil are sharpening their knives, and China and Russia are working hard behind the scenes to bring down the USD as the "petrodollar" and world reserve currency*. The Chinese model will likely take over a large part of the world, whether we like it or not. That is the alternative future.

Aside from the fact that Brand hasn't been able to offer an alternative, I could do without the crazy-eyes. Is he high on something?

*You have no idea what the 2008 collapse did to US-China relations. And as a capper, when Ben Bernanke mentioned that he might start winding down quantitative easing, the currencies of Indonesia, India, and a number of other Asian nations dropped by 40%. When these nations appealed to Christine LaGarde (IMF) for some consideration by the USA as we (ie our elite) thrash around dealing with our (their) finances and politics, LaGarde said, well, we thought about keeping your currencies in mind and its just not possible. And then Congress took our debt ceiling to the precipice, and really, that was the coup de grace. We are stumbling fools, we pissed off Russia (they still remember the terrible economic price they paid for "shock treatment"), Saudi Arabia, China, Brazil (spy scandal)... we have hardly a friendly government left in the world that is not fundamentally corrupt and financially unsound, and most will cut and run the minute they smell trouble.

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Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:40 PM

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Aside from the fact that Brand hasn't been able to offer an alternative, I could do without the crazy-eyes. Is he high on something?

He's a strange dude, a very smart kid born in a bad area who nurtured a severe drug habit until he kicked it & became a comedian, and now he seems to be developing a socially conscious streak.

Thanks for the comments Signy, on target as usual.

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Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I agree with everything except the 'not voting' part. We've had better representation, and worse abuse. We're the ones that make the choice.

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Monday, October 28, 2013 10:26 AM

America loves a winner!

Claiming a 'system' is why you got hooked on drugs is convenient as hell, but it's rubbish.

YOU did that. Try taking some personal responsibility, for a change.

Also, the utopian view that everyone is exactly equal, and that wealth needs to some how magically be divided up to those willing to work and those who aren't , or those who have the means to do more than those who don't, is rubbish.

Yes, we should take better care of the planet. I'll give him that.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, October 28, 2013 10:56 AM

BYTEMITE

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OTOH, it's extremely doubtful we'll have a grassroots revolution, at least not here at the center of military, financial, and covert ops power. First of all, a true revolution would face the might of the US military and spy ops. Yanno, our military has taken out dozens if not hundreds of grassroots land reformers, social justice movements, and non-cooperative governments around the world. The only successful resistance has been at a distance, and backed by a large government. Do you really think the military/spy/propaganda machine would be ineffective here at home?

They're actually mindbogglingly incompetent with technology, and not really all that smart. The younger generation tends to be better with technology and also tends more towards anti-authoritarian, so recruiting into those ranks has been down. We also have people who are entirely willing to mole, like Snowden.

It's better chances than you'd think. Especially if you let them shoot themselves in the foot. Which, again, considering the sheer amount of stupid you can smell off TPTB and the lack of strategy or subtlety means that they're pretty easily outwitted.

It's not about going toe to toe with people on the battle field and trying to manufacture better weapons anymore. That's where most of these revolutionaries and gun nuts don't get it. The battle field has fundamentally changed. And the anti-authority geeks control most of it.

The government and economy as we know it is obsolete. It's only a matter of time now.

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Monday, October 28, 2013 11:33 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

CHRIS- couple more things.

BTW- I found the interviewer creepy and off-putting- the unctuous* voice, the supine posture. Every nanosecond reeked of smugness. So the crazy-eyes didn't bother me as much as the interviewer!

AFA destroying the world- I don't see the Chinese, Russians, Indians, or Brazilians being particularly careful of the environment either, so even if we experience a change of world power, the environment is still going to take a beating.

*Unctuous http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unctuous

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RAPPY

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Also, the utopian view that everyone is exactly equal, and that wealth needs to some how magically be divided up

There will be nothing "magical" about it. People revolt, not because they want handouts but because they need jobs that they can survive on... something the so-called "job creators" have been extremely poor with. (Gee, I wonder why!) What's driving the violent demonstrations and revolts across southern Europe, North Africa, and elsewhere is the 30-70% unemployment rate among the youth. Create jobs at a decent pay.... enough to afford a place to stay, food, security, medical care, and some entertainment and the problem will disappear. Don't, and you will have a revolt.

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BYTE

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The younger generation tends to be better with technology and also tends more towards anti-authoritarian

TPTB are in many ways blind and stupid, but their minions are not. What you think of as a great distributed net is actually pretty centralized, and if you have PHYSICAL control of the big servers and hubs... as AT&T and Verizon do... you control the net. In the Egyptian Arab Spring, roughly 70% of the pro-demonstration tweets were tracked back to Israel. TPTB aren't as stupid as you think, and most young people have already sold their souls to Apple, Facebook, and Google. So much for anti-authoritarianism!

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Monday, October 28, 2013 11:52 AM

America loves a winner!

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RAPPY
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Also, the utopian view that everyone is exactly equal, and that wealth needs to some how magically be divided up
There will be noting magical about it. People revolt, rappy, not because they want handouts but because they need jobs that they can survive on... something the so-called "job creators" have been extremely poor with. What's driving the violent demonstrations and revolts across southern Europe, North Africa, and elsewhere is the 30-70% unemployment rate among the youth. Create jobs at a decent pay.... enough to afford a place to stay, food, security, medical care, and some entertainment and the problem will disappear. Don't, and you will have a revolt.

And nothing produces a stable job market or distributes wealth equally like a good old fashion revolution, huh?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Monday, October 28, 2013 12:12 PM

BYTEMITE

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

BYTE
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The younger generation tends to be better with technology and also tends more towards anti-authoritarian
TPTB are in many ways blind and stupid, but their minions are not. What you think of as a great distributed net is actually pretty centralized, and if you have PHYSICAL control of the big servers and hubs... as AT&T and Verizon do... you control the net. In the Egyptian Arab Spring, roughly 70% of the pro-demonstration tweets were tracked back to Israel. TPTB aren't as stupid as you think, and most young people have already sold their souls to Apple, Facebook, and Google. So much for anti-authoritarianism!

Not the smart ones. Who are the ones who actually matter in a technology throw down.

The thing is, the internet has become such a vital piece of technology that everyone, all the businesses and the government and everything else is completely dependent upon it. There was some discussion recently about the possibility of getting those big hubs on board with a kill switch for the entire internet - but they couldn't push it through because it would be suicidal for EVERYONE.

You don't fight an enemy by blinding yourself, you see. So they have to keep the internet up just to keep up with us.

That's why it doesn't matter so much that it's centralized - and I can also safely say that there is an... alternate internet lurking just under the surface, built by people who are preparing in case someone does try something really stupid and spectacularly desperate.

They try to kill the internet, they'll find, surprise surprise, they're the only ones cut off from it. Heh.

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Monday, October 28, 2013 4:58 PM

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And nothing produces a stable job market or distributes wealth equally like a good old fashion revolution, huh?

I was about to write a cogent response, but then I came to my senses...

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Monday, October 28, 2013 5:07 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

And nothing produces a stable job market or distributes wealth equally like a good old fashion revolution, huh?

I was about to write a cogent response, but then I came to my senses...

Egypt says "hello" ?

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Monday, October 28, 2013 11:49 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

BYTE- There are smart ones in every generation. Don't pride yourself too much. Hubby built his own PC before there were even PCs (I helped wire-wrap) and wrote a self-modifying OS depending on what kind of drives were detected and so forth. I doubt I could find a young person who could tell him about the operating characteristics of MOSFETS or who could design a NAND gate from transistors, burn a 2500-gate programmable chip (98% utilization rate for high-speed laser-related data acquistion, designed without software) and also write a firewall designed to keep out the NSA.

Young people. Pffft! If I didn't have my hubby to point to, I could point to a study that shows that older engineers are BETTER at programming with the new technology. I know it's young people's prediliction to assume that they're god's gift to creation (Hey, I was young once too, and I made a lot of changes in our lab) but they're not. I wasn't, and neither are you.

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Monday, October 28, 2013 11:51 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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And nothing produces a stable job market or distributes wealth equally like a good old fashion revolution, huh?-rappy

I was about to write a cogent response, but then I came to my senses...Chirs

Well, I'll fill in for you...

Because we all know what a bang-up job the "job creators" have done! Move over, son, it's anyone else's turn. Your elite couldn't even manage their own economy!

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Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:21 AM

America loves a winner!

Yeah... poor folks don't create jobs, moron.

Good frelling grief.

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Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:57 AM