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Coming Pension Meltdown: The 10 Most Troubled City Systems

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Monday, November 11, 2013 8:31 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Voters in Cincinnati last week soundly defeated a ballot initiative which would have overhauled the pension system for public workers, leaving the city without a plan to deal with $872 million in unfunded liabilities.

Cincinnati is not alone.

Across the nation, cities and states are finding funding for basic services being crowded out of their budgets by the rising cost of retirees' pensions and healthcare.

The Cincinnati initiative would have turned the public pension system into a 401(k) style-plan and require the city to pay off its unfunded liabilities in 10 years.

It failed 78 percent to 22 percent, an example of the opposition that cities face when trying to tackle the politically sensitive issue of funding retirees' benefits.

More and more cities, counties, and even some states will face the harsh reality of having to fix their pension systems or deal with a Detroit-style bankruptcy.

"This is happening in too many cities and towns across America, where social services, because they can be cut, are cut. Because pensions and bonds constitutionally cannot be cut, they're the protected class," Wall Street financial analyst Meredith Whitney told CNBC.

"I think you're going to see a real issue of neighbor against neighbor on these very issues," said Whitney, who recently co-founded Kenbelle Capital LP, a New York hedge fund.

Whitney argues in her recently released book, "Fate of the States: The New Geography of American Prosperity," that cities and states which delay addressing the crisis will witness a continued decline in growth.

A study by the Pew Center earlier this year looked at 61 cities — those with populations over 500,000 plus the largest city in each state — and found a total gap of $217 billion between pension and retiree healthcare obligations and the funding saved to pay those costs.

According to Pew, those cities had a total pension liability of $385 billion, with 74 percent funded, leaving a $99 billion shortfall.

The situation regarding retiree healthcare benefits in those cities is far worse, with a total of $126.2 billion of liabilities that are only 6 percent funded.

But here’s the real rub: experts are warning that many pension systems, those claiming they are well funded and those who say they aren’t, have all been using rosy projections about future investment returns.

In a recent editorial in Barron’s, Thomas Donlan writes that pension funds have “hidden the results with dubious financial reporting.”

He cites as just one example Detroit, which claimed as late as 2011 that their pension funds were 80 percent fully funded. New auditors found a $3.5 billion shortfall, a hole that pushed the city into bankruptcy.

Detroit, he says, was using the standard 8 percent return on assets, widely used by other funds. Donlan argues that is foolhardy to claim an 8 percent rate of return.

Consider that since January 1, 2001, the Dow Jones has appreciated, on average, a paltry 2.2 percent, with the S&P growing just 1.36 percent.

Instead, Donlan suggests pension funds use a 4 percent rate, the blended rate for no-risk Treasuries or a 5.5 percent rate, consistent with current corporate bond payouts. But if pension funds were to be honest and use such numbers, real unfunded liabilities would jump by a third or more.

Here are the top 10 cities with the lowest percentage of funding for pension liabilities City Total Liability % Funded

Charleston, W. Va. $270 million 24 %
Omaha, Neb. $1.43 billion 43
Portland, Ore. $5.46 billion 50
Chicago, Ill. 24.97 billion 52
Little Rock, Ark. $498 million 59
Wilmington, Del. $364 million 59
Boston, Mass. $2.54 billion 60
Atlanta, Ga. $3.17 billion 60
Manchester, N.H. $436 million 60
New Orleans, La. $1.99 billion 61

The Pew Charitable Trusts study further identified nine cities that underperformed on two pension indicators, levels of funding along with the annual contribution percentage: Charleston; Chicago; Fargo, N.D.; Jackson, Miss.; Little Rock; New Orleans; Omaha; Philadelphia, and Portland.

Equally startling, Pew found numerous cities were woefully unprepared to finance healthcare benefit obligations.

"Only Los Angeles, Calif., and Denver, Colo., had even half of the money needed to fulfill their promises to employees. Thirty-three cities had set aside nothing to pay for this bill coming due," the research noted. Cincinnati was not among the cities ranked.

Many localities are seeing their operating budgets squeezed to pay for pension and healthcare retirement benefits.

The country's 250 largest cities saw spending for pensions increase to 10 percent of their general budgets in 2012, an increase of 7.75 percent since 2007, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The situation is no better for the states, which are also facing high burdens associated with worker's retirement costs.

The Chicago Sun-Times reported that an analysis of pension reform scenarios under consideration by the Illinois legislature "make clear that no matter what legislators do, including major pension cutting, a significant portion of the state's budget for the next 20 to 25 years will go toward paying pension bills, consuming 16 to 24 percent of the state’s general revenue fund annually."

Reform: No Easy Solutions

Steven Stanek of the Heartland Institute says there are no easy solutions when you get into situations that are as bad as states like Illinois, which has saved just 43 cents to cover every dollar of what it needs to pay 350,000 retirees and 500,000 current workers who are counting on pension checks.

"Enacting reform is made even harder because all policy is politics ultimately," Stanek tells Newsmax.

Stanek said that while rankings may differ depending on who is doing the number crunching and which data they survey, some states are present on all rankings.

"I would say from what I have seen the worst are Illinois, California, West Virginia, Oklahoma, New Hampshire, Louisiana, Alaska, Connecticut — all make the list," said Stanek.

A September report by the think tank State Budget Solutions said that state public employee retirement promises are underfunded by $4.1 trillion nationally. In addition, the report concluded that when combined, state public pension plans are just 39 percent funded.

The study found the five most poorly funded states are Illinois (24%), Connecticut (25%), Kentucky (27%), and Kansas (29%), along with Mississippi, New Hampshire, and Alaska tied at 30% funded.

State Budget Solution's Cory Eucalitto said in the report that for years the methodology used to rate public pension systems in the states has been too generous, allowing states to spin a rosier picture than reality truly reflected.

The generosity of the standards resulted in decisions this year by the Governmental Accounting Standards Board and by Moody's Investors Services to change the way they calculate state burdens.

"GASB and Moody's have joined a chorus of financial economists and other observers warning that pension funding practices are dangerous for both taxpayers and public employees alike," he writes.

Pension reform not only is causing a strain on local governments, but also on long-held political alliances.

California: The Future Has Arrived

Reform efforts advocated by Democratic mayors in Chicago and Detroit have both been vocally opposed by teacher and labor unions. The fissures have also arisen in San Francisco, where pension reform was one of several issues which resulted in Bay Area Transit Authority (BART) workers striking.

San Jose Mayor Chuck Reed announced in early October he would support a ballot measure for November 2014 that would amend California's Constitution to allow local governments to reduce pension expenses associated with their current employees. The proposal would not affect retiree benefits, but could allow modifications to future beneficiary plans.

With other cities in the state laboring under the weighty costs of pension obligations and retiree benefits, San Bernardino Mayor Pat Morris and Santa Ana Mayor Miguel Pulido joined Reed in submitting the ballot initiative to the state Attorney General.

"Typically, reform is being led by Democratic mayors. It's being resisted by leaders of public employee unions, who are also Democrats. California state legislators tend to side with the unions over the mayors, preferring the status quo — and the campaign contributions from unions — to an intramural fight," says Carl Cannon of RealClearPolitics.

Richard Dreyfuss, senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, suggests several reforms are needed to avoid going off the fiscal cliff, including issuing new bonds to refinance existing liabilities.

Dreyfuss also advocates for comprehensive reform that will combine a transition to defined-contribution plans, such as a 401(k), with reforms to how pensions are funded. He believes the new pension plans should be funded as they are earned, to avoid burdening future employees and beneficiaries.

Dreyfuss is clear in stating that any reform is going to be politically unpalatable.

"The necessity for real reform is problematic for policymakers, who must deal with a workforce resistant to the loss of guaranteed monthly pension benefits; and for political constituencies, including government workers and their allies, whose support for defined-benefit pensions in the public sector stems as much from ideology as from financial self-interest," he wrote.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/city-pension-shortfall-underfunded/20
13/11/11/id/536027


They can't bury their heads forever. One day they'll wake up in bankruptcy.


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Monday, November 11, 2013 9:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So?

I hate to sound cavalier, but tens of trillions went to cover banking gambling. Is it OK to shovel public money at private business, but not OK to pay retired people who worked all their lives?

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Monday, November 11, 2013 10:26 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Apparently it is, but you'd have to ask the 2008-2009 Congress about it.

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Monday, November 11, 2013 10:34 PM

SIGNYM

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you'd have to ask the 2008-2009 Congress about it.
Congress never OKd the bailout. It was implemented UNDER BUSH while Congress was on Xmas vacation.

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Monday, November 11, 2013 10:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, the voters say to pay the pensions, at least in Cincinnati.

The people who are having gas over it are:

Wall Street financial analyst Meredith Whitney
the Pew Center
experts
Barron’s, Thomas Donlan
Steven Stanek of the Heartland Institute
the think tank State Budget Solutions
Governmental Accounting Standards Board (a private, non-governmental organization)
Moody's Investors Services
Richard Dreyfuss, senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute

all private business-oriented organizations ---

and you: "They can't bury their heads forever. One day they'll wake up in bankruptcy."

Congress doesn't seem to be listed anywhere.

ETA: I see you clarified your post.

My question stil stands. YOU are having gas over it. But you didn't over the bailout. So ... which one is acceptable, which one isn't, and why. In your opinion.

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Monday, November 11, 2013 10:45 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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you'd have to ask the 2008-2009 Congress about it.
Congress never OKd the bailout. It was implemented UNDER BUSH while Congress was on Xmas vacation.

As usual, you're wrong. Both houses of Congress passed the law and then Bush signed it.

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The original proposal was submitted to the United States House of Representatives, with the purpose of purchasing bad assets, reducing uncertainty regarding the worth of the remaining assets, and restoring confidence in the credit markets. The bill was then expanded and put forth as an amendment to H.R. 3997.[4] The amendment was rejected via a vote of the House of Representatives on September 29, 2008, voting 205–228.[5]

On October 1, 2008, the Senate debated and voted on an amendment to H.R. 1424, which substituted a newly revised version of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 for the language of H.R. 1424.[6][7] The Senate accepted the amendment and passed the entire amended bill, voting 74–25.[8] Additional unrelated provisions added an estimated $150 billion to the cost of the package and increased the length of the bill to 451 pages.[9][10] (See Public Law 110-343 for details on the added provisions.) The amended version of H.R. 1424 was sent to the House for consideration, and on October 3, the House voted 263–171 to enact the bill into law.[6][11][12] President George W. Bush signed the bill into law within hours of its congressional enactment, creating the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to purchase failing bank assets.[13] TARP was dwarfed by other guarantees and lending limits; analysis by Bloomberg found the Federal Reserve had, by March 2009, committed $7.77 trillion to rescuing the financial system, more than half the value of everything produced in the U.S. that year.[14]



Then the Fed, after Obama became President, gave away the store....trillions.


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Monday, November 11, 2013 10:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


AHEM! After the fact of the original bailout. Also, you're thinking of TARP. The overwhelming part of the bailout - by some estimates 20 trillion - happened w/out Congress at all, through the Fed. And that happened under Bush.

So, are you going to answer my question? I'm wondering if I should check back or just skip it.

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Monday, November 11, 2013 10:55 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
AHEM! After the fact of the original bailout. Also, you're thinking of TARP. The overwhelming part of the bailout - by some estimates 20 trillion - happened w/out Congress at all, through the Fed.

So, are you going to answer my question? I'm wondering if I should check back or just skip it.


Skip it or fuck yourself, who cares.

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Monday, November 11, 2013 11:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


In a story that sheds new light on the extent of the country’s financial crisis, Bloomberg Markets magazine reported today that the Federal Reserve lent trillions of dollars to beleaguered financial institutions, with $1.2 TRILLION going out on just ONE DAY in 2008. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2011/11/fed-gave-banks-trillions-
in-bailout-bloomberg-reports
/

For the record, Bush was president in 2008. Facts - they're such a bitch, aren't they?

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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:47 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Skip it or fuck yourself, who cares.
i.e. You have nothing relevant left to say. So why don't you just STFU?

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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:58 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Hey Sniggy.... you wrote "Congress never OKd the bailout. It was implemented UNDER BUSH while Congress was on Xmas vacation."

I proved you wrong with the facts about the law Congress passed which Bush then signed.

So unless you're going to admit you were wrong, STFU!

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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:38 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"It was implemented UNDER BUSH while Congress was on Xmas vacation."

That's true. Congress didn't vote on it until after the fact.



As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.



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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:22 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"It was implemented UNDER BUSH while Congress was on Xmas vacation."

That's true. Congress didn't vote on it until after the fact.



It's not at all true. What part of the facts below are you too stupid to comprehend?

Oct. 1 - Senate passes it
Oct. 3 - House passes it
Oct. 3 - Bush signs it

Christmas vacation ain't in October.

"On October 1, 2008, the Senate debated and voted on an amendment to H.R. 1424, which substituted a newly revised version of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 for the language of H.R. 1424. The Senate accepted the amendment and passed the entire amended bill, voting 74–25. Additional unrelated provisions added an estimated $150 billion to the cost of the package and increased the length of the bill to 451 pages. (See Public Law 110-343 for details on the added provisions.) The amended version of H.R. 1424 was sent to the House for consideration, and on October 3, the House voted 263–171 to enact the bill into law. President George W. Bush signed the bill into law within hours of its congressional enactment, creating the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to purchase failing bank assets."


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