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Vulnerable Democrat Senators Distance Themselves From Obamacare

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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:34 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Vulnerable Democratic senators up for re-election continue to signal dissatisfaction with the way President Barack Obama's signature healthcare program has been implemented, Politico reported.

Alaska Democrat Sen. Mark Begich enrolled in Obamacare through the online marketplace used by all Alaskans. He declined the employer contribution of 75 percent of his premium that members of Congress can receive if they enroll through the Washington, D.C., marketplace, according to The Alaska Daily News Miner.

"I want to have the exact same experience and go through the same steps as other Alaskans when it comes to signing up for healthcare, which is why I have decided to refuse any federal subsidy and have signed up on Alaska's federally run marketplace," Begich said.

He noted that Alaska's trouble-plagued site was operating more smoothly with the subsidy calculator now functioning properly, according to the News Miner.

Begich said he accepts that the president's health plan is imperfect and holds the White House along with the insurance companies "accountable to ensure that Alaskans have access to the facts and are able to receive the care they want and need," Politico reported.

Sen. Kay Hagan of North Carolina, another Democrat up for re-election in 2014, is circulating a draft letter among colleagues that would call on the Government Accountability Office — the investigative arm of Congress — and the Inspector General for the Department of Health and Human Services to carry out "a complete, thorough investigation to determine the causes of the design and implementation failures of HealthCare.Gov."

"These problems are simply unacceptable, and Americans deserve answers and swift solutions," the draft reads, according to The Hill. "Taxpayers are owed a full and transparent accounting of how the vendors contracted to build the site failed to launch it successfully."

Hagan supports a bill introduced by Democratic colleague Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, also up for re-election, that would allow individuals to retain their existing health insurance plans. Also supporting the bill is Mark Pryor, D-Ark., facing a hard 2014 re-election campaign.

In an interview last week with NBC News, the president said he was sorry people were having trouble signing up for healthcare.

Hagan said that "An apology is only helpful if it is followed by direct and meaningful action to get the Affordable Care Act working," according to McClatchy.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-democrats-distance-senators
/2013/11/12/id/536079



Running with no where to go. In time Hillary will also be running from it as if it was a soiled blue dress.

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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:42 PM

STORYMARK


That's adorable. You might try reading past the hard-right side of things. The Politico article they cite for this, doesn't really say that - they've twisted the story to placate their ill informed readers, because they know they wont bother looking into stuff for themselves. You being a great case in point, - as I bet you didn't bother to read the source article (which had actual quotes, not agenda-laden paraphrasing), either.





"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:00 PM

JONGSSTRAW


^^ Sorry but the only thing that's "twisted" is your silly denial of the Obamacare debacle.

The Wall Street Journal elaborates further :

The Wall Street Journal
Updated Nov. 11, 2013 6:54 p.m. ET

The Democrats who voted for the debacle are now scrambling for cover.

"The torrents of Affordable Care Act monsoon season aren't letting up, so Democrats are scrambling to help the victims: namely, their own careers. The Senators up for re-election in competitive states in 2014 are starting to panic, though they still aren't offering solutions for anything other than their own growing political jeopardy.

Fifteen Senate Democrats plus Colorado's Michael Bennet who chairs the Senatorial Campaign Committee sat down at the White House Wednesday, and they want all and sundry to know that they let President Obama have it. Alaska's Mark Begich put out a statement saying he chewed out the big cheese for "absolutely unacceptable" mismanagement and "an understandable crisis in confidence." He must have drafted it in advance.

Oregon's Jeff Merkley chimed in to report that even after the two-hour encounter session that was not on the public schedule, he was still "very frustrated" and "I remain deeply convinced that this is a 'show-me' moment." Asked by Politico if Democrats were losing credibility, an anonymous attendee said, "You got to have it, to lose it."

Mr. Obama held their hands and told them not to worry. But that's also what he, Bill Clinton and other horse whisperers said in 2010. The "moderates" who made the Nancy Pelosi majority went on to be wiped out in the largest turnover of House seats since 1938.

Mr. Obama then comforted the party regulars that all would be well once the exchanges launched. That day arrived, sort of, since the website doesn't work. He's now urging Democrats to keep calm because the public will love it once the subsidies start to roll out. Yet insurance is being cancelled, premiums are surging and patients like Edie Sundby can't keep their doctors.

Meanwhile, the Salesman in Chief has been exposed for his fraudulent promises. Before October Mr. Obama's rhetoric seemed desperate like Shelly Levene in "Glengarry Glen Ross," repeating discredited assurances that few believed. Now it seems somewhat sinister as he tries to falsify his history of false claims.

All of which has the ObamaCare Dozen—the Democrats who each cast the decisive 60th vote and are running for re-election in 2014—fleeing for political cover. We offer a list of the dozen nearby, and they're right to worry that voters might punish ObamaCare's implementation as they did its passage. But so far the 12 are trying to pull off nothing more than confidence tricks."
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303763804579183713
385661566
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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:06 PM

STORYMARK


Dumb fucker - I never denied there are huge problems with the rollout.

I pointed out that the article you posted (from your favorite hard-right source) was misrepresenting some of its claims.

But, oh, you came back with a different article from a Murdoch company (an unsourced OPINION piece to boot. Well let me rebutt with something from DailyKos... - are you fucking kidding?!? ). That like, TOTALLY shows that Newsmax didn't misrepresent....

You baggers - its like you're actively trying to burn out your last 5 IQ points.




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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:13 PM

JONGSSTRAW


^^ Better to have 5 points than zero like you do. And you're the dumb fucker if you believe that Obamacare's problems are solely due to the rollout. It's the law itself stupid. And your Daily KOS? A bunch of psycho leftists just like you. I'll trust the Wall Street Journal over them any day.

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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:36 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I don't see any "running" anywhere in what the Newsmax article is trying to say…and after all, it IS Newsmax, so expectations of veracity can't be too low. I see responsible politicians demanding and working toward solutions to something which definitely needs solutions. Here's the Politico article CITED by Newsmax:
Quote:

Sen. Mark Begich, a Democrat facing a competitive reelection race next year, has enrolled in the Obamacare health exchange and has turned down a federal government contribution.

“I want to have the exact same experience and go through the same steps as other Alaskans when it comes to signing up for health care, which is why I have decided to refuse any federal subsidy and have signed up on Alaska’s federally run marketplace,” Begich said in a statement.

He signed up on the Alaska exchange this morning, his office said. Begich has stressed that he wants to hold the White House responsible for the rollout of the law.

“As I’ve said many times before, this law is not perfect, and that is why I will continue to hold both the administration and the insurance companies accountable to ensure that Alaskans have access to the facts and are able to receive the care they want and need,” Begich said.

Lawmakers and their staff who enter the exchanges are eligible for the same subsidies that other federal workers get for their health plan. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/mark-begich-obamacare-99700.html
#ixzz2kTpsXyQ7



Seems perfectly reasonable to me. I'm glad to see them determined to follow through, as they all should, and work to improve the situation. I'm not sure more and more "investigations" will be as useful as actually spending our tax dollars on FIXING the damned thing, and I'm sure Issa is out there, ready, willing and drooling to run "an investigation a week" on the matter, but whatever it takes. "An apology is only helpful if it is followed by direct and meaningful action to get the Affordable Care Act working" is absolutely correct.

ETA: I tried to slog through the WSJ article, despite the fact that it showed itself to be nothing more than a trash piece from the first sentence--my gawd! "torrents of Affordable Care Act monsoon season", "victims: namely, their own careers", "an anonymous attendee said", "horse whisperers", "Salesman in Chief", and on and on. When someone writes something that laden with visceral propaganda language, nobody's going to be convinced of anything. I’m not at all surprised people are pissed; they have reason to be. I’m not at all surprised Democrats are up in arms; they have reason to be. But this bullshit, when Geezer spends so much time accusing me of partisanship, is a laugh.


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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:44 PM

JONGSSTRAW


The Wall Street Journal sees it differently.

The Wall Street Journal
Updated Nov. 11, 2013 6:54 p.m. ET

"The Democrats who voted for the debacle are now scrambling for cover.

The torrents of Affordable Care Act monsoon season aren't letting up, so Democrats are scrambling to help the victims: namely, their own careers. The Senators up for re-election in competitive states in 2014 are starting to panic, though they still aren't offering solutions for anything other than their own growing political jeopardy.

Fifteen Senate Democrats plus Colorado's Michael Bennet who chairs the Senatorial Campaign Committee sat down at the White House Wednesday, and they want all and sundry to know that they let President Obama have it. Alaska's Mark Begich put out a statement saying he chewed out the big cheese for "absolutely unacceptable" mismanagement and "an understandable crisis in confidence." He must have drafted it in advance.

Oregon's Jeff Merkley chimed in to report that even after the two-hour encounter session that was not on the public schedule, he was still "very frustrated" and "I remain deeply convinced that this is a 'show-me' moment." Asked by Politico if Democrats were losing credibility, an anonymous attendee said, "You got to have it, to lose it."

Mr. Obama held their hands and told them not to worry. But that's also what he, Bill Clinton and other horse whisperers said in 2010. The "moderates" who made the Nancy Pelosi majority went on to be wiped out in the largest turnover of House seats since 1938.

Mr. Obama then comforted the party regulars that all would be well once the exchanges launched. That day arrived, sort of, since the website doesn't work. He's now urging Democrats to keep calm because the public will love it once the subsidies start to roll out. Yet insurance is being cancelled, premiums are surging and patients like Edie Sundby can't keep their doctors.

Meanwhile, the Salesman in Chief has been exposed for his fraudulent promises. Before October Mr. Obama's rhetoric seemed desperate like Shelly Levene in "Glengarry Glen Ross," repeating discredited assurances that few believed. Now it seems somewhat sinister as he tries to falsify his history of false claims.

All of which has the ObamaCare Dozen—the Democrats who each cast the decisive 60th vote and are running for re-election in 2014—fleeing for political cover. We offer a list of the dozen nearby, and they're right to worry that voters might punish ObamaCare's implementation as they did its passage. But so far the 12 are trying to pull off nothing more than confidence tricks."
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303763804579183713
385661566
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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:55 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


So you posted it TWICE?!?! Wow...that's truly pathetic.

When there are so many, many actually decent articles out there about it, you went with that. It's to laugh.

Try this on for size:
Quote:

President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and other senior administration officials met privately at the White House on Wednesday with frustrated Senate Democrats facing reelection in 2014 to discuss the botched Obamacare rollout.

The two-hour meeting comes as the Obama administration and congressional Democrats work to assess the political fallout from the health care overhaul’s troubled implementation. Lawmakers passed on the frustration expressed by their constituents and the White House walked through their steps to repair the program.

“The American people are frustrated with the White House’s botched rollout of the Affordable Care Act, and I am too,” said Arkansas Sen. Mark Pryor, one of the chamber’s most vulnerable Democrats. “In today’s meeting, I told the President and Vice President three things: 1) fix the website immediately 2) address the problems with the law and 3) hold the individuals in charge accountable for these mistakes. I won’t let up until these problems are fixed.”

“It was a real policy-heavy meeting,” a Democratic aide said. “The White House chose this group because this is a group that’s going to be ultra-sensitive to their constituents’ frustrations. This needs to be fixed. We all want this to work.”

The members at the meeting were Pryor, Mark Begich of Alaska, Cory Booker of New Jersey, Chris Coons of Delaware, Dick Durbin of Illinois, Al Franken of Minnesota, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Jeff Merkley of Oregon, Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Brian Schatz of Hawaii, Mark Udall of Colorado, Tom Udall of New Mexico, Mark Warner of Virginia and Michael Bennet of Colorado, according to Senate aides and the White House.

Mark Udall said in a statement after the meeting that he wants consumers to have time to shop for a plan and enroll after the problems are repaired.

“I urged the president again to extend the enrollment period to give consumers enough time to make an informed decision about their family’s health insurance options,” Udall said. “I also told the president that, for the Affordable Care Act to succeed, consumers need to be confident their personal information is secure. We need to do everything in our power to protect the online marketplace from hackers and cyberattacks.”

Obama used the meeting to discuss the administration’s push to fix HealthCare.gov and to help those interested in enrolling in individual plans, a White House official said. He also shared details of the administration’s plan to “ramp up communication and education outreach to consumers who have received or might receive letters about how their individual market plans might be affected,” the official added.

The president also told the lawmakers that administration is working to put better privacy safeguards into pace, and asked them for feedback on the law’s impact on their constituents.

All senators except for Bennet are up for re-election in 2014; Bennet is the chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. After the meeting, he joined Obama on Marine One for a trip to Dallas, where the president will attend two DSCC fundraisers Wednesday night.

Begich, one of the most vulnerable Senate Democrats in next year’s midterm elections, noted in a statement that Obamacare’s rollout problems are hurting those who need health insurance the most.

“It’s absolutely unacceptable in this day and age that the administration can’t deliver on the promises it made to all Americans because of technical problems with a website,” Begich said. “Alaskans should be appreciating the critical benefits of the Affordable Care Act but there is an understandable crisis in confidence because the administration has yet to get it off the ground.” http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/democratic-senators-obamacare-wh
ite-house-meeting-99476.html#ixzz2kTwbKD91



Same story, but without all the bullshit baggage. Offer something like THAT, people might actually read it. Nobody here is denying for a single minute that there's a serious problem that needs to be fixed, and I think it's totally logical that people are pissed, worried about re-election and demanding action. I'D be pissed if they weren't, but that bullshit you posted? Pure partisan crap.


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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:08 PM

JONGSSTRAW


^^ So The Wall Street Journal is now "pure partisan crap" to you? I suppose for you they're just like Fox News, Newsmax, NY Post, Washington Times, National Review, and all the other organizations that don't spew leftist lies that you regurgitate here every day. Because I know you want to see it again...

The Wall Street Journal
Updated Nov. 11, 2013 6:54 p.m. ET

"The Democrats who voted for the debacle are now scrambling for cover.

The torrents of Affordable Care Act monsoon season aren't letting up, so Democrats are scrambling to help the victims: namely, their own careers. The Senators up for re-election in competitive states in 2014 are starting to panic, though they still aren't offering solutions for anything other than their own growing political jeopardy.

Fifteen Senate Democrats plus Colorado's Michael Bennet who chairs the Senatorial Campaign Committee sat down at the White House Wednesday, and they want all and sundry to know that they let President Obama have it. Alaska's Mark Begich put out a statement saying he chewed out the big cheese for "absolutely unacceptable" mismanagement and "an understandable crisis in confidence." He must have drafted it in advance.

Oregon's Jeff Merkley chimed in to report that even after the two-hour encounter session that was not on the public schedule, he was still "very frustrated" and "I remain deeply convinced that this is a 'show-me' moment." Asked by Politico if Democrats were losing credibility, an anonymous attendee said, "You got to have it, to lose it."

Mr. Obama held their hands and told them not to worry. But that's also what he, Bill Clinton and other horse whisperers said in 2010. The "moderates" who made the Nancy Pelosi majority went on to be wiped out in the largest turnover of House seats since 1938.

Mr. Obama then comforted the party regulars that all would be well once the exchanges launched. That day arrived, sort of, since the website doesn't work. He's now urging Democrats to keep calm because the public will love it once the subsidies start to roll out. Yet insurance is being cancelled, premiums are surging and patients like Edie Sundby can't keep their doctors.

Meanwhile, the Salesman in Chief has been exposed for his fraudulent promises. Before October Mr. Obama's rhetoric seemed desperate like Shelly Levene in "Glengarry Glen Ross," repeating discredited assurances that few believed. Now it seems somewhat sinister as he tries to falsify his history of false claims.

All of which has the ObamaCare Dozen—the Democrats who each cast the decisive 60th vote and are running for re-election in 2014—fleeing for political cover. We offer a list of the dozen nearby, and they're right to worry that voters might punish ObamaCare's implementation as they did its passage. But so far the 12 are trying to pull off nothing more than confidence tricks."
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303763804579183713
385661566
#




Bill Clinton knows this to be true. He put Obama in a box today when he said Obama has to find a way to let people keep their insurance as he always promised they could.

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Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:17 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


At some point you will figure out that expressing dissatisfaction is not the same as running from.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:07 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
That's adorable. You might try reading past the hard-right side of things. The Politico article they cite for this, doesn't really say that - they've twisted the story to placate their ill informed readers, because they know they wont bother looking into stuff for themselves. You being a great case in point, - as I bet you didn't bother to read the source article (which had actual quotes, not agenda-laden paraphrasing), either.



Storybook reminds me of this guy....




ROFLMAO ! DELUSION on parade!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:20 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Well other than the fact that Story has said there are glitches.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:23 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


So Jongs posts it a THIRD TIME?!?! My gawd, what on earth does he think that accomplishes? No, wait, I take that back...who cares?

The OPINION PIECE is "pure partisan crap", simple as that. I just showed you how you could post something that puts across the INFORMATION about a perfectly valid point, without spewing so much idiotic terminology that it turns anyone but the most partisan hack off reading it within a sentence or two. Hell, I paste from the Wall Street Journal, so your claim is bullshit…I just choose most of the time to post articles I find with FACTS, not overblown idiot pieces intended as nothing more than fodder to the right.

Interestingly, I went to that EDITORIAL to see who wrote it and learn about them. No author is given. So I checked around about "Review and Outlook", the section that puts those pieces out. What I eventually found was "The editorials (titled "Review & Outlook") reflect the Journal's conservative political editorial line" (Wiki). That no doubt explains why it cried out as "valid" enough to Jong to cut and past three times (seriously?). It spews their version of hate.

Newsmax, Breitbart and those like them never even try, which is why I don't even bother reading them, just as I avoid MSNBC, Huffpost, DemocraticUnderground, etc. The Newsmax headline doesn't even square with the article they link to on Politico, for one thing. Their title is "Vulnerable Democrat Senators Distance Themselves From Obamacare"; the Politico article is titled "Mark Begich declines health insurance subsidy", and I posted the article in its entirety. Newmax "links" that article as "Vulnerable Democratic senators up for re-election continue to signal dissatisfaction with the way President Barack Obama's signature healthcare program has been implemented, Politico reported." It's actually one Senator, no distancing.

I tend to reject shit that is obviously shit in favor of (when I can find them, mostly local) news stories containing the facts. I write partisan stuff in my own words, reflecting my own opinions, and sometimes, yeah, I put up stuff that is pure hackery, facts portrayed in a distinctly partisan way. But to put forth a piece like that WSJ crap as some kind of valid reporting: Bullshit, simple as that. Something those like Jong and Rap will never learn.

And again, not that you idiots are capable of hearing it: Nobody is denying that the rollout of Obamacare has been a disaster. Just like "Obama is God" and "Marriage has always been one man/one woman", you guys can keep right on repeating that lie, but nobody is listening.


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