Climate chnage now in entirely new geologic regimen, never before seen by human species by SIGNYM

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Climate chnage now in entirely new geologic regimen, never before seen by human species

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Monday, December 2, 2013 16:05
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Saturday, November 23, 2013 1:20 PM

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Geezer, could you please scroll up, above Jongssie's attention-whoring, to find my two posts to you? Go past the same eight posts by Jongssie! The first is on some of capitalists' collaboration with the Nazis, and the second is on why ownership won't solve our environmental problems.

Your friend has a message :

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Or could it be that you're just a racist cunt?

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Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Geezer, waiting for your response. Just scroll up, past all the crap that Jongssie posted.

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Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:44 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

Or could it be that you're just a racist cunt?
I can't find the original thread anywhere where ElvisChrist supposedly posted this. Is it possible that Jongssie is just making shit up?

For the hopelessly clueless Sniggy...

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Or could it be that you're just a racist cunt?

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I'll bet your wife has hurled her cunt at more people than this board has members.

Do your kids get their cuntiness from her, or from you?

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Prolly from that cunt wife of his.

2 from the Gettysburg thread, the other from another. Now you can die in peace.

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Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:02 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It's no secret that I've molested children for years.

You're sick!

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Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:11 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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GEEZER, M52NICK
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I'd like to see a cite for that, please.
You DO know that every time you ask for cites, I've got them, right?

American corporate and personal CEO complicity with Nazi Germany up to and thru WWII

A bit obscure, but it makes true what you are saying.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:13 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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It's no secret that I've molested children for years.
I'm sick!

At least Piratenews has something funny once in awhile.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:16 PM

JONGSSTRAW

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I eat shit by the handful.

Most liberals do.

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Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Under a Libertarian system, if folks claimed a part of the ocean and were making use of it, it'd be theirs. If the guy owning the next chunk of ocean was affecting yours, you could sue them for damages.

So, all a person needs to do to 'own' something in your system is to claim it?

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Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Just glancing over little jongsie's posts - who was it that was banned from the board for obscenities? Was that little jongsie under a different name?

And, I've noticed a certain desperation in little jongsie and little rappy both. Neither of them can sem to get enough of endless vitriol, pretty much in lock-step with each other.

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Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

GEEZER- OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT COMMAND ECONOMIES DURING WWII, SUMMARIZED AND CLARIFIED

You're mis-remembering history. SOME evil capitalists lent money to the Nazis and helped design and build big ovens. SOME evil capitalists allowed their industries to be taken over by the government... converted from making peacetime goods like cars, to wartime goods like tanks and planes.

But it was THE GOVERNMENT which converted the economy. It was a time of rationing of butter and silk and copper and ... yes... a command economy.- Signy
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I'd like to see a cite for that, please.- GEEZER

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You DO know that every time you ask for cites, I've got them, right? Here are some examples of American corporate and personal CEO complicity with Nazi Germany up to and thru WWII

CHASE MANHATTAN, JP MORGAN, GUARANTEE TRUST, BANK OF THE CITY OF NY, AMERICAN EXPRESS

ETA Seized and held Jewish and national assets and held them for five decades after the war was ended. The idea of disbursing illegally-acquired assets didn't even really gain traction until Jewish families started forcing disbursement

Chase Manhattan Bank's [The Paris Branch] enjoyed “very special esteem” with top German officials and “a rapid expansion of deposits,” according to Newsweek. Niedermann’s letter was written in May 1942 five months after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and the U.S. also went to war with Germany. [RE] the seizure of Jewish bank accounts during the Second World War, says five American banks Chase Manhattan, J.P Morgan, Guaranty Trust Co. of New York, Bank of the City of New York and American Express had taken part. It says their Paris branches handed over to the Nazi occupiers about one-hundred such accounts.

BROWN BROTHERS HARRIMAN, UNITED BANKING CORPORATION
Set up by Prescott Bush's father-in law and mentor, provided a private investment firm [BBH] and bank [UBC] for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930 The bank was set up by Harriman and Bush’s father-in-law to provide a US bank for the Thyssens, Germany’s most powerful industrial family... and had shipped millions of dollars of gold, fuel, steel, coal and US treasury bonds to Germany

... US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of [those] companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. Prescott Bush['s]... business dealings continued until his company’s assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/07/big-banks-funded-the-nazis-and-
launched-a-coup-against-the-president-of-the-united-states.html

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IBM AND SHIPPING JEWS

IBM and the Holocaust is a book by investigative journalist Edwin Black which details the business dealings of the American-based multinational corporation International Business Machines (IBM) and its German and other European subsidiaries with the government of Adolf Hitler during the 1930s and the years of World War II. In the book, Black outlines the way in which IBM's technology helped facilitate Nazi genocide through generation and tabulation of punch cards based upon national census data.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
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ENGINEERING FIRMS

American engineering firm Brassert designed the Hermann Goring Steelworks beginning 1938
books.google.com/books?isbn=0521780810
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As for the help in designing ovens or gas chambers, it was a long documentary by PBS aired 5 or more years ago. They detailed by following receipts and accounting who was paid for what. The American firm that was implicated eventually morphed into a well-respected modern engineering firm; I recognized the name because they were based in Pasadena which is very close by. However, I can no longer find the info. I'll ask hubby if he remembers more specifics, since he has a better memory than mine.

-SIGNY

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Well, sort'a.

Paris branches of American banks did business with the Nazis after France fell to Germany. Understanding how little the Nazis liked taking "no" for an answer, I can see how the bank's managers might do business, considering that their government was doing so and encouraging everyone to go along, and how easily refusal might get one labeled part of the Resistance and sent to the wall.

Then again, the French didn't really care much for Jews, and may have been happy to help confiscate their money.

Oh, my. And George Bush’s grandfather worked for banks that dealt with Germans starting in the 1930s. Damn him for not having a time machine so he could know how that would turn out.

And the Germans used punch card technology developed by IBM to identify Jews? And that makes IBM complicit in the Holocaust? Sort'a like Apple's complicit in terrorism when the terrirists use iPhones?

This is the sort of half-truth and innuendo folks use when they go in convinced of something and massage the facts to fit their preconceptions.

So your "SOME evil capitalists lent money to the Nazis and helped design and build big ovens." statement ends up being "Well, the branches in Occupied France and in Germany, where deciding NOT to work with the government might be a fatal decision, cooperated with the Nazis." and "I think I remember...".

- GEEZER

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Well, not sort'a- exactly.

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Paris branches of American banks did business with the Nazis after France fell to Germany. Understanding how little the Nazis liked taking "no" for an answer, I can see how the bank's managers might do business, considering that their government was doing so and encouraging everyone to go along, and how easily refusal might get one labeled part of the Resistance and sent to the wall.-GEEZER

So what did the AMERICAN parent company do? Cut ties with its Paris branches? Return seized assets to the French government and surviving Jewish families after the war? Or just continue to hold stolen money?

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Oh, my. And George Bush’s grandfather worked for banks that dealt with Germans starting in the 1930s. Damn him for not having a time machine so he could know how that would turn out. -GEEZER

ALL THE WAY UP TO 1942, when "his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act". Because, yanno, by 1942 he still couldn't figure out who he was doing business with!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

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And the Germans used punch card technology developed by IBM to identify Jews? And that makes IBM complicit in the Holocaust? Sort'a like Apple's complicit in terrorism when the terrirists use iPhones?

No, sorta like when the Stasi use your technology and YOU KEEP SELLING IT TO THEM, KNOWING what it will be used for.

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In September 1939, Germany invades Poland. It's a bloody, heinous invasion.... On September 13, 1939, The New York Times reports on Page 1 that 3 million Jews are going to be "immediately removed" from Poland, and they appear to be candidates for "physical extermination." On September 9, the German managers of IBM Berlin send a letter to [American Chairman] Thomas Watson with copy to staff in Geneva via phone that, due to the "situation," they need high-speed alphabetizing equipment. IBM wanted no paper trail, so an oral agreement was made, passed from New York to Geneva to Berlin, and those alphabetizers were approved by Watson, personally, before the end of the month.

http://news.cnet.com/Probing-IBMs-Nazi-connection/2009-1082_3-269157.h
tml

There is more information about all of this here
http://www.11points.com/News-Politics/11_Companies_That_Surprisingly_C
ollaborated_With_the_Nazis

Yanno, this reminds me of the time when I said that America had killed just as many as Stalin or Mao, and you challenged me to prove it. And then I posted at least two dozen of our "interventions", ranging from direct military invasion leading to 2-3 million deaths (Vietnam) to secret arms supplies to tyrannical governments leading to a half-million people massacred (Indonesia) to overthrowing democratically-elected governments and setting up dictators and supplying them with training, arms and intel (Iran, Iraq, and just about every nation south of the border) and all you could do was quibble with one entry, and a minor one at that, concerning a disputed election. A grand display of mental cowardice if I ever saw one, and a complete failure to come to grips with unpleasant fact. And you're doing it again.

You are, in fact, very good at supplying the sort of half-truth and innuendo folks use when they go in convinced of something and massage the facts to fit their preconceptions. Because nothing must disturb your preconceptions about the supremacy of capitalism and the blessings that the American military brings to the world.

So, as far as preconceptions go, how's that argument about all of the happy patriotic capitalists pitching in for the war effort, we didn't have a command economy going for you? I haven't seen much to back it up, and quite frankly I doubt I will. Because the reality is that we DID have a command economy during WWII, with rationing, price controls, production quotas, black markets, a top marginal tax rate of over 80%... the works. Since you are a consumer of history, I'm surprised you didn't know that.

SIGNY
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Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:18 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So Geezer, just wondering if you had anything to add about the ineffectiveness of a USA command economy, and the effectiveness of capitalism, during WWII? Yes or no?

Then maybe we can get on to the rest of the discussion.

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Monday, December 2, 2013 4:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I'm bumping this to (hopefully) further your conversation.

As for my opinion about global warming - we're screwed. We're not going to do enough soon enough b/c tptb don't want their party to end. And while the Montreal Protocol (the 'ozone hole' agreement) caught them by surprise, now they know how to derail any sane movement that might be in the works - through FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt). And by creating a wall of non-action that people can't penetrate to save their lives.

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