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Another tragic test for 'stand your ground' laws, this time in Georgia

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Friday, November 29, 2013 8:15 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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A Georgia man admits to shooting a elderly man with Alzheimer's who knocked on his door at 4 a.m. Wednesday, mistaking him for an intruder. Interpretations of Georgia's stand your ground law could be pivotal.

State and local prosecutors are reviewing whether Georgia's "stand your ground" law applies in the tragic case of a man who shot and killed a wandering man diagnosed with Alzheimer’s in the Lookout Mountain region.

Given the dynamics of the shooting, the case could become part of a national prodding around the laws, which were quickly enacted in more than 20 states, including Georgia, after Florida pioneered the concept in 2005.

The laws, which hold that armed citizens have to make no attempt to retreat before shooting at a perceived threat, came into the national spotlight in 2012, after the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, by a neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman. Mr. Zimmerman was acquitted of second-degree murder in July after a furious national debate over whether race plays into the new breed of self-defense laws.

The incident in Georgia adds a new twist to the examination of the laws, focusing not on race, but on what kinds of actions qualify as a legitimate threat. During a 2007 symposium by the National District Attorneys Association, concerns were raised that touch on what happened on Wednesday in Georgia: namely, that misinterpretation of clues by an armed person could lead to deadly force being used even when there is no real danger.

For now, the state has not filed any charges against Joe Hendrix, who admits to shooting a 70-something man early Wednesday morning. The man was wearing a light coat and a straw hat in near-20 degree weather when he knocked on Mr. Hendrix’s door at 4 in the morning.

After Hendrix’s girlfriend called police, Hendrix retrieved his handgun and walked into his backyard, where he says he saw the other man in silhouette. After the man didn’t respond to several verbal commands and began walking toward him, Hendrix shot him four times, once fatally.

"In my personal opinion, I believe that [Hendrix] should have stayed inside the house," Walker County Sheriff Steve Wilson told the Chattanooga, Tenn., Times Free Press. "Did he violate any laws by exiting the house? No."

Ronald Westbrook, the slain man, was clutching a sheaf of mail when police found his body. According to family, Mr. Westbrook had been suffering for two years from Alzheimer’s disease, a condition that affects memory and reasoning. He had been walking in the cold for four hours with his dog before he approached the home, perhaps drawn by a lit porch light, police said.

Sheriff Wilson said it’s a tough case because he knew Westbrook personally. At the same time, he told reporters that Hendrix and his girlfriend plainly felt threatened.

“We feel like at this point that we should proceed cautiously and with an open mind and let the evidence and the law take its place," Wilson told WRCB-TV in Chattanooga. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2013/1129/Another-tragic-test-for
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Friday, November 29, 2013 9:26 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


This isn't "stand your ground ". And last I heard, no charges will be filed.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, November 29, 2013 9:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Authorities are looking into whether 'stand your ground' applies. But I'm so glad you have such intimate knowledge of the case and the law to be able to make such a definitive ruling. They should just go home, since you've reached your conclusion.

That's sarcasm tinged with a heavy dose of contempt, btw.



As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.

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Friday, November 29, 2013 10:26 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Sheriff Wilson said it’s a tough case because he knew Westbrook personally. At the same time, he told reporters that Hendrix and his girlfriend plainly felt threatened.

“We feel like at this point that we should proceed cautiously and with an open mind and let the evidence and the law take its place," Wilson told WRCB-TV in Chattanooga.



Or we could just jump to conclusions.

Then again, we could ask why a person diagnosed with Alzheimer's was wandering around at 4:00am.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, November 29, 2013 10:57 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The homeowner was ... in his own HOME, at 4am. Where the hell else is he going to retreat to, if not his own home ? Blame him for not having a secret safe room, to further retreat?

It's a tragedy, no doubt. No need to further the pain by politicizing it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, November 29, 2013 11:20 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The homeowner was ... in his own HOME, at 4am. Where the hell else is he going to retreat to, if not his own home ? Blame him for not having a secret safe room, to further retreat?






As reported in the original story:

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After Hendrix’s girlfriend called police, Hendrix retrieved his handgun and walked into his backyard,




So it seems that you either can't read, didn't read, or are distorting the reported facts DELIBERATELY.

As the Sheriff suggested, it would have been better if the shooter had stayed inside his house.

But it appears that what happened was legal under Georgia laws. I don't like that, (and that's my opinion, not a court ruling or legal decision.) but it can't be fixed in this case. If enough people in Georgia don't like it, they can change the laws before next time.

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Friday, November 29, 2013 11:23 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Was he on his own property ? Sure seems like. Did the victim approach the homeowner's door , Y or N ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, November 29, 2013 11:27 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


How bout you don't ever knock on doors before you "Phone First".....?

I love people I know.

I automatically hate people I don't know.....


If somebody ever bangs on my front door like they're a cop, chances are they'll be shot through the guts....



If you've got legitimate issues to discuss with me, please knock on my door like you were a neighbor/friend/famly member.....

If not.... don't be surprised when you get your guts turned into soup......


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Friday, November 29, 2013 11:48 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


This may be why some may consider this a "test" of the Georgia "stand your ground" law..........................

"State and local prosecutors are reviewing whether Georgia's "stand your ground" law applies in the tragic case of a man who shot and killed a wandering man diagnosed with Alzheimer’s in the Lookout Mountain region."

Notice the wording gentlemen - "state and local prosecutors are reviewing"
That means lawmakers in the state of Georgia are looking into it.

Let's review:

Georgia, law, Stand Your Ground, review.
Prosecutors - that's law slang for lawyers, and, generally attorneys that work for a state or municipality

Funny how words work.


SGG

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Saturday, November 30, 2013 12:00 AM

OONJERAH



Marissa Alexander of "Florida sentenced to 20 years for
firing warning shot released."
I thought her sentence was outrageous, & I'm not alone.

Even more outrageous tho is the fact that the USA is awash
with shooting deaths. People are bein' gunned down with NO
warning shots fired, and apparently, that's become acceptable.

Numerous needless shooting deaths over misunderstandings.
And a bunch of other deaths due to anger out of control,
insanity, temporary or otherwise. It's not once in a while.
It is every damn day now! Didn't used to be like this.

My Country Has Gone Nuts.

Au: "No need to further the pain by politicizing it."
And only a Nut would say politicizing it will make it worse!
WtF!?

I would like to see the whole thing publicized, discussed,
politicized, beat into the ground & responsibility demanded!!
Don't accept it; don't minimize it. Confront It!

I want to be able to walk around my yard at night, or down to
the mail box or over to the dumpsters ... and not be gunned
down for a prowler.

I knocked on my neighbor's door the other night because her
washing machine had gone all rock-n-roll & was trying to tear
down the little shed it occupied. My neighbor was not packing
a gun when she answered the door, and she did not shoot me.
She thanked me.

^^^ That's the way it's s'posed to be. People don't get shot
over an impulse, confusion, a gross mistake or just 'cause
it's night time.

National Insanity as the Norm is Not OK with ME.


======================
A man's gotta be responsible for what his gun does.

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Saturday, November 30, 2013 12:48 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
It's not once in a while.
It is every damn day now! Didn't used to be like this.



Sorry brother and/or sister......

It was ALWAYS like this....

I'm assuming you're middle-aged white, because ain't nobody else in the modern world ever lived in a position to say that "this is NEW".....

The Evoloutionists always remind us that "humanity" is just a "blip" on the radar....

The half-century or more where White reigned supreme in the US and we didn't have to lock our doors is over... (at least in


I don't bother locking my house. I'm sure that at least the smart kids have figured out my pattern. Nothing has ever been stolen in my house since I've been here. The ONLY valuable thing here at my house is my house. The only valuable things I have that are small are with family members who can insure them.

Middle class "white america" didn't get worse over the years. They just got some extra money to buy some new toys that would buy a lot of drugs on the pawn-shop circuit.

Chances are, I've worked with a lot of guys who have robbed or stolen to make ends meet. At the end of the day, I'd rather work around a bunch of blacks than a bunch of whites. The blacks just do what they want to do. The whites, even on the "fringes" only think about what other people will think about them if they do "it".


I'm sure a lot of Black People are pro-gun. You will NEVER hear from them in the news though.

The truth is that there are a LOT of law-abiding black men and/or women who are the patri-matriarchs of their homes who will pride themselves in owning a gun even if it's not legal and/or registered...



Jay-Z or "JOVA" will never tell you that you should be for or against guns though..... Why should he? He doesn't even have to rhyme anymore and Beyonce is his sex toy (Let alone the "Wilt Chamberlin" amount of back-up pussy he's pounding on the side....). Chances are, he's made more money in the time it took JZ to read this email than you will in your entire life.....


The times, they are-a-changin......

Things are cyclical....

We're less than 8 years away from a FULL BLOWN REAL SEQUEL TO WOODSTOCK!!!!!!!


Not that BS thing that happened in the middle of my less-than-middle-aged-life-in-the-90's......






Nothing wrong with gun ownership though.....

I know how to clean my gun and make sure it isn't loaded.

I've never fired it.

It's been over 12 years since I've even fired a bbgun.

I'm afraid of my gun.

I respect my gun.

I'm 34 and I'm a right-leaning Libertarian.

I own a "hand-cann0n" of a firearm and I've never even shot it on a range.

I'm admittedly afraid of my firearm and the power it presents me.




I'm on the fence about everything here......



Part of me doesn't want any firearms in any hands that haven't been trained, but part of me knows that just making that law is the beginnings of letting a NAZI type government control who can hold a weapon.




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Saturday, November 30, 2013 1:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


REPLY TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER:

I hate that anything that I would post here would be sexy enough to make you take an opposing stance to me.

I'm sure my old man is grateful to never have to own a firearm to protect his wife and their kids in going on over 2 decades......

Ask him if he'll spend the next two decades without the right to bear arms?

Shit's changin'......


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Saturday, November 30, 2013 1:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Probably just a lot funner to STFU and just listen to this...




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Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thanx Oonj, I'm with you. And no, that's NOT how it always used to be--not even in the old "Wild West", but it's getting more and more like that now, thanks to Stand Your Ground laws, the NRA pushing and the right wing doing their thing. You're right about "every day", too; I stopped posting them, but I see at least one story virtually every day about someone shooting someone (usually, because it's so common with adults it doesn't even make the news, about CHILDREN). THAT didn't used to be the norm either.

Also yes, this IS specifically about Stand Your Ground, as the article states quite clearly. Zimmerman getting off and all the attendant publicity has, in my opinion, emboldened more people to believe they can fire one off if they feel they have any justification at all. The sense of personal responsibility has been lessened, and hopefully--tho' it'll probably get a lot worse before it gets better--the public will eventually change the laws. Hopefully.


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Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Marissa Alexander of "Florida sentenced to 20 years for
firing warning shot released."
I thought her sentence was outrageous, & I'm not alone.



20 years is excessive,but this was nothing relating to 'stand your ground ' either.

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Even more outrageous tho is the fact that the USA is awash
with shooting deaths. People are bein' gunned down with NO
warning shots fired, and apparently, that's become acceptable.

Numerous needless shooting deaths over misunderstandings.
And a bunch of other deaths due to anger out of control,
insanity, temporary or otherwise. It's not once in a while.
It is every damn day now! Didn't used to be like this.



Gun deaths have actually been in a steady decline

Quote:


My Country Has Gone Nuts.

Au: "No need to further the pain by politicizing it."
And only a Nut would say politicizing it will make it worse!
WtF!?

I would like to see the whole thing publicized, discussed,
politicized, beat into the ground & responsibility demanded!!
Don't accept it; don't minimize it. Confront It!



There's nothing TO confront here. You're turning a tragedy into a political witch hunt. The real questions aren't being asked, or are being over shadowed by this rancor.

WHY was this guy out at 4am, in the freezing temps, in the first place ?

Quote:



I want to be able to walk around my yard at night, or down to
the mail box or over to the dumpsters ... and not be gunned
down for a prowler.



You can.

Quote:



I knocked on my neighbor's door the other night because her
washing machine had gone all rock-n-roll & was trying to tear
down the little shed it occupied. My neighbor was not packing
a gun when she answered the door, and she did not shoot me.
She thanked me.

^^^ That's the way it's s'posed to be. People don't get shot
over an impulse, confusion, a gross mistake or just 'cause
it's night time.

National Insanity as the Norm is Not OK with ME.




======================
* A man's gotta be responsible for what HE does with his gun.




Yes, it SHOULD be like that, but the reality is, lots of evil really is out there, breaking into folks homes, or randomly knocking them unconscious, just for snorts and giggles. There's wickedness out there, ( always has been, always will be ) and to ignore it and pretend all is shiny and fine, is deluding yourself. Doing that puts you and others in great peril.

* fixed your sig for ya. too. You're welcome.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, November 30, 2013 1:40 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And here you are, STILL trolling for attention. Don't you have a life? Is this the only thing you have going?

So, here's how your 'arguments' break down:

"Even more outrageous tho is the fact that the USA is awash with shooting deaths."
"Gun deaths have actually been in a steady decline."
Did they claim they were increasing? No, they said 'awash'. Look up the word if you don't know what that means. Your argument? Irrelevant to the statement actually made.

"I would like to see the whole thing publicized, discussed, politicized, beat into the ground & responsibility demanded!! Don't accept it; don't minimize it. Confront It!"
"There's nothing TO confront here. You're turning a tragedy into a political witch hunt. The real questions aren't being asked ..."
So, you WANT discussion of the 'real' questions, but not the questions people are discussing. That's your personal opinion. What evidence do you have their questions are irrelevant?

"That's the way it's s'posed to be. People don't get shot over an impulse, confusion, a gross mistake or just 'cause it's night time."
"Yes, it SHOULD be like that, but the reality is, lots of evil really is out there ..."

And this guy looked like an evil threat because -- he carried a weapon? he was young and fit and dressed for the weather? he made threatening statements? You tell me - what made him a threat?

I won't wait for you to reply. I know it will be more irrelevant opinion-spewing that's merely more trolling for attention.

Oh, weren't you supposed to remind me of something?




As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is

whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies.



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Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:37 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Notice the wording gentlemen - "state and local prosecutors are reviewing"
That means lawmakers in the state of Georgia are looking into it.



Not really. Prosecutors are law enforcers; part of the criminal justice system.

Lawmakers would be state legislators; the people elected to make laws.

This is why, if you don't like a law, you write your representative, not the District Attorney.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:13 PM

CHRISISALL


Let me be controversial here:

There's nothing wrong with responsible folk owning guns, and there's nothing wrong with the so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws.

What's WRONG is how easy it is for a twitchy moron to legally obtain a gun.
Let's go back a little farther:
What's WRONG is treating physical bullying in school like a minor extracurricular irritation and not a CRIME.
Twitchy morons are MADE, not born. They are usually gloriously successful schoolyard victims or bullies. If we teach a small percentage of our population that they're expected to either take it 'till you can't no more or abuse-at-will as a way of thinking, what else do you expect but this kind of nonsense?

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Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:00 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Let me be controversial here:

There's nothing wrong with responsible folk owning guns, and there's nothing wrong with the so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws.

What's WRONG is how easy it is for a twitchy moron to legally obtain a gun.
Let's go back a little farther:
What's WRONG is treating physical bullying in school like a minor extracurricular irritation and not a CRIME.
Twitchy morons are MADE, not born. They are usually gloriously successful schoolyard victims or bullies. If we teach a small percentage of our population that they're expected to either take it 'till you can't no more or abuse-at-will as a way of thinking, what else do you expect but this kind of nonsense?


^THIS.
Exactly this.

Instead of addressing the tools by which they act out the insanity, perhaps addressing the insanity would be a more effective use of our time and effort?

Like many issues, most of this is like looking in the wrong end of the telescope, or taking nyquil for tuberculosis, treating symptoms instead of causes.

-Frem

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Saturday, November 30, 2013 11:04 PM

CHRISISALL


My use of the word "morons" above was probably uncalled for. Sorry.

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Monday, December 2, 2013 3:10 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I was wondering about that case in Florida. Yeah, ridiculous comes to mind when I think about the foolishness of prosecutors who are overzealous in these matters. But they get it all ass-backwards.

The "accidental" shootings are another ridiculous sorry state of affairs.
Guns, more guns says LaPierre, NRA shill and shyster extraordinaire.
Like cell phones, everyone will have one. Imagine knocking on your neighbors door packing heat, they shoot through the door and you shoot back
in response.

A scenario the NRA would love to see......stay tuned


SGG

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Monday, December 2, 2013 3:14 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Same difference...................


SGG

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Monday, December 2, 2013 12:16 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The homeowner was ... in his own HOME, at 4am. Where the hell else is he going to retreat to, if not his own home ? Blame him for not having a secret safe room, to further retreat?



He could have just.you know, not gone outside. And even if he HAD to, he didn't need to shoot an unarmed man.

But you'll never pass up an opportunity to defend senseless murder.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, December 2, 2013 12:18 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
My use of the word "morons" above was probably uncalled for. Sorry.



I think it was entirely accurate.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, December 2, 2013 12:28 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The homeowner was ... in his own HOME, at 4am. Where the hell else is he going to retreat to, if not his own home ? Blame him for not having a secret safe room, to further retreat?



He could have just.you know, not gone outside. And even if he HAD to, he didn't need to shoot an unarmed man.

But you'll never pass up an opportunity to defend senseless murder.





"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"



Story,

you will note that the RAPtard changed his OWN story in less than a day. One version was " in his own home". Called out on that , he changed it to " on his own property." That's why I haven't bothered to reply to him. The guy is such a dishonorable, gutless cheat and liar that he won't even stick by his own words. But we all know that...

A thought from original Trek: "What the Klingon says is unimportant, and we do not hear his words..."

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Monday, December 2, 2013 12:54 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
"What the Klingon says is unimportant, and we do not hear his words..."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH! Great one!

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Monday, December 2, 2013 1:04 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

you will note that the RAPtard changed his OWN story in less than a day. One version was " in his own home". Called out on that , he changed it to " on his own property." That's why I haven't bothered to reply to him. The guy is such a dishonorable, gutless cheat and liar that he won't even stick by his own words. But we all know that...




Oh, no doubt. I still get a kick out of throwing his own stupidity and lies back at him. Its a hobby.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, December 2, 2013 10:28 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
He could have just.you know, not gone outside. And even if he HAD to, he didn't need to shoot an unarmed man.


Exactly - it's not standing your ground if you move to engage, that's called pickin a fight.

-F

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Monday, December 2, 2013 10:59 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Exactly - it's not standing your ground if you move to engage, that's called pickin a fight.

I would accept that as an axiom.

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Monday, December 2, 2013 11:20 PM

OONJERAH


"pickin a fight"?

Yeah but -- he only shot the old Guy 4 times.

"I come not to fight, but to slaughter!" :)


====================== :>

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Tuesday, December 3, 2013 12:43 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
he only shot the old Guy 4 times.

Pre-emptive strike- the dude could have had WMD...

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Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:16 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
He could have just.you know, not gone outside. And even if he HAD to, he didn't need to shoot an unarmed man.


Exactly - it's not standing your ground if you move to engage, that's called pickin a fight.

-F



And don't you love the guy's justification - I told him not to move, and by not obeying me, he gave me permission to murder him.






"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:24 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
And don't you love the guy's justification

Not so much.

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Wednesday, December 4, 2013 10:16 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...





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Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:02 AM

OONJERAH


Don't shoot! A gun can't substitute for common sense
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/dec/03/dont-shoot-a-gun-cant-s
ubstitute-for-common-sense
/

"Enough already. How many stories must we read about senseless gun deaths?

...Seriously, how many prowlers just walk up and ring a doorbell or knock?

What is wrong with us? What is this fascination with guns? What is this
fearfulness about?"


Oonj: I really didn't care for the 1st comment below this blog ... it
rang too true: "The gun lobby has won! ... "


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The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. ~George Orwell

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 5:43 PM

OONJERAH



Surely, every time this happens ... I think, "No! -- that person just
shot & killed someone by mistake, on impulse. They must be overcome
by shame and remorse!"

But G, your comments have me rethinking that.
Can it be that some people today think that killing someone else by
mistake is just OK. In fact, it serves the shot-dead person right,
cause it was their mistake first?

When I was a kid, it was the Golden Age of Western stars: Roy Rogers,
Gene Autry, the Lone Ranger, Hopalong Cassidy, etc. Lots of gun play,
but the hero rarely killed anyone; instead, he'd just shoot the gun
out of their hand.

All the adults were well aware of the difference between movie gun
play and guns in real life. I recall how strongly they cautioned us
kids. We knew that it was Totally Not OK to shoot another person in
Real Life other than in clear self-defense. We had strict gun rules.
Nevertheless, fatal accidents did happen; they made big news; they
clearly illustrated how important it is to be aware of a gun's deadly
potential.

Quote moom4kat, "The first reaction of the paranoiacs with a gun is
to shoot anything that unsettles them in the slightest. And, sometimes
it seems they are just looking for an excuse to fire bullets at someone."

Quote G, "I think it's in the mind of many of this new, post Obama
wave of gun owners, to think that the very act of owning a gun gives
them the Right (even duty) to shoot the gun at anything or anyone
if they feel any need."

If this irresponsible, nightmarish attitude has become common, then
we've only seen the tip of the ice burg. More senseless killings to
come!

Tourism to the US will die when no one in their right mind will want
to come here knowing how easy it is to be shot by some gun nut. ...
It's just too weird.

Wake up, Alice!


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All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. ~Paul Simon

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. ~George Orwell

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Saturday, December 7, 2013 10:02 PM

OONJERAH


Suffering from Alzheimer's, Ga. man fatally shot
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/07/suffering-from-al
zheimers-ga-man-fatally-shot/3904791
/

"Joe Hendrix allegedly shot and killed 72-year-old Ronald Westbrook
after Westbrook repeatedly knocked on Hendrix's fiancee's door sometime
before 4 a.m."


The article above offers both details and perspective on this tragedy.
But it doesn't tell us where to get a common sense pill. Or how to be
less fearful.

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