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Few uninsured young people say they’ll sign up for Obamacare

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:26 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Fewer than one-third of young, uninsured Americans say they are leaning toward enrolling in a health-care plan under the new Obamacare exchanges, according to a new poll -- a number that, if it holds, would present huge problems for the new law.

In order to keep costs down, the Affordable Care Act relies on younger, healthier people signing up for coverage to offset the costs for older, sicker Americans.

But a Harvard University Institute of Politics poll shows just 29 percent of uninsured 18-to-29-year olds say they will definitely (13 percent) or likely (16 percent) enroll in the Obamacare exchanges. When the question describes the law as the "Affordable Care Act" rather than Obamacare, just 25 percent say the are leaning toward enrolling or will enroll.



About the same number say they're unlikely to or definitely won't sign up. Another four in 10 say it's a 50-50 proposition.

Not enrolling would subject these people to a penalty under the individual mandate, but in the law's first year, the penalty is relatively small.

The slow pace of enrollments among young people has already been cause for concern. The White House has estimated that it needs 40 percent of enrollees to be under 35 years old, but early numbers in states where data is available suggest that that number is closer to about 25 percent.

This is despite ad campaigns that have been geared toward signing young people up. The most notorious of these campaigns featured young men who appeared to be college-age participating in a keg stand.

More broadly, young people's opinions of the health-care law are pretty much on par with their older cohorts.

At least 56 percent disapprove of the health-care law, regardless of which label is used to describe it. And while half of young people expect their health-care costs to rise under Obamacare, only about one in 10 say the costs will decrease.

As for the care they will receive, more than twice as many say it will get worse under Obamacare (40-44 percent) as say it will get better (17-18 percent).



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/12/04/few-un
insured-young-people-say-theyll-sign-up-for-obamacare/?tid=pm_pop


Looks like the Administration may have made overly optimistic estimates of enrollment by the young and fit.

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Why would you voluntarily pay for insurance when you are young and dumb and your job doesn't even offer it? That is, assuming you even have a job at 18-29 years old and aren't stuck living at your parents house after incurring $100k or more of almost worthless college debt.

Not only that, but the process isn't exactly easy. 99% of Americans, including many government employees don't know as much about it as my Dad does. He's read books on it and had a seriously vested interest with my brother's issues. He has been told on no less than five occasions in the last few months while trying to get answers from government employees that he knows more about it then they do.

I'm not even knocking these overpaid idiots here as I usually do. Who REALLY knows ANYTHING about Obamacare other then regurgitated sound bytes? I'm fairly confident that if anybody read the entire 2,500 page bill before voting on it, it would be Ron Paul, but I doubt he even did more than skim it.

I haven't been able to log into the site for weeks to see if there was any updates to my application from October 4th or so. Every time I've tried the website is down.

No big loss. I know that because I'm a smoker that the amount of money I'd have to pay would be more than 8% of my income, so I won't have to pay the hefty $695 penalty we will have to pay in 2015 for not buying into it. I'll be just as uninsured as I've been since I got laid off in 2009, so it's all a non-issue for me.

Good luck with all of that Geez ;)


EDITED TO ADD: I was a moron at 19. I was still a moron at 23. Some might argue that at 34 I'm still a moron. I'm just looking back to those early years and I can't imagine that I would have EVER gone out-of-my-way to pay for something like healthcare out of my own pocket.

I work with a lot of "kids" in their young to mid 20s. NONE of them intend to sign up for it. Maybe the $695 tax penalty for not having it will make them sign up in 2016, but I'm pretty confident that after the feral backlash of 20 million Americans having their income taxes increased 700 bucks, Obamacare will be dead anyways.


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Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


There's nothing new here, and you know it full well. The same happened with Romneycare, and in time it will change, just as it did for that. If you looked back at the rate of uninsured young people before the ACA and took into account young people being able to stay on their parent's insurance, there's a whole different story you've avoided:
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But the biggest indicator of success is the rapidly falling rate at which young adults aged 19-25, who can now stay on their parents' insurance policies, are uninsured. The Commonwealth Fund released the results of its biennial health insurance survey. The report shows just how much the Affordable Care Act has worked for young adults.



After already recording a fall from 2009 to 2010, the Commonwealth Fund survey shows that the percentage of young adults uninsured at the time they were interviewed fell from 31 percent in 2010 to just 21 percent in 2012. Amazingly, in light of past experience, young adults had a lower uninsurance rate than those ages 26-49. In addition, the proportion of young adults reporting a period without insurance at any time in the previous year fell from 48 percent to 41 percent. http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2013/05/09/y
oung-adults-show-the-affordable-care-act-is-working
]

Of course young, healthy people are slower to come on board, it was that way with RomneyCare and is fully expected to be that way with ObamaCare. Moreover, the law’s weak first-year penalty for forgoing coverage makes enrolling easier to avoid for many “young invincibles".
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Myth 3: Young Americans Will Avoid Signing Up

Young People Are Likely To Put Off Signing Up Until The Last Minute. According to a blog post by the Young Invincibles -- a national organization representing young people -- young Americans are likely to delay enrollment in health care plans until close to the penalty deadline:

Young people are likely to treat enrollment like a term paper -- they'll do it, but at the last minute. After all, according to one online insurance broker, that's what a fair number of their grandparents shopping online for Medicare plans do: wait until they're smack up against the deadline.

"To my friends in the media, I have one message: please take a chill pill. You won't see 7 million enrollees for a while, and that's not failure, that's real world," John McDonough, a professor at the Harvard School of Public Health who was deeply involved in the passage and implementation of Massachusetts' 2006 health reform law, wrote of the new Obamacare program in mid-October. In Massachusetts, getting people signed up "was a slow crawl, not a sprint."

Data from the first full year of enrollment in the Commonwealth Care plans in Massachusetts shows that the number of people who purchased premium plans was minuscule at first, with a rate of increase of only 123 people in February 2007. That surged to 3,645 in April and then remained fairly steady all year, before spiking to 7,783 in the month before the penalty deadline for remaining uninsured kicked in. http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/2013/11/21/top-4-obamacare-myt
hs-about-millennials-dispell/197008



We've covered all this before in depth; your desperation to keep finding something--ANYTHING--that might spell the ACA's doom. We know you want it to die before it even gets going, but we're still waiting for those viable alternatives...


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Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:22 AM

WISHIMAY


I NEVER EVER could have afforded insurance from 18-24, and I'm super responsible and great with money and THAT was ten years ago...
You could pick up a decent running car then for less than five grand, and rent on our mobile home (which I owned) was $165 with a $15 water bill.
Even with owning one today, rent is over $500, apartment rent is $600-800. Lets not even talk about how much a decent car can run these days...

When your take home is only about a thousand bucks a month as a kid, WHERE DO THEY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO GET THE MONEY???

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
EDITED TO ADD: I was a moron at 19. I was still a moron at 23. Some might argue that at 34 I'm still a moron. I'm just looking back to those early years and I can't imagine that I would have EVER gone out-of-my-way to pay for something like healthcare out of my own pocket.

I work with a lot of "kids" in their young to mid 20s. NONE of them intend to sign up for it. Maybe the $695 tax penalty for not having it will make them sign up in 2016, but I'm pretty confident that after the feral backlash of 20 million Americans having their income taxes increased 700 bucks, Obamacare will be dead anyways.




I agree with most of this. Like to add: "can't get blood from a stone." I could not have afforded ACA, period, back in my late 20's, early 30's. Nor could I have afforded the fine. Most of my friends were in the same boat. Then what? Just bill me? This part of the bill has always been plain stupid/blind. I look forward to today's healthy young marching up a storm over this.
Only thing I disagree with is that it will be the death of ACA - I hope not. At the core is something we have to do: insure all US citizens. It's got a long ways to go is all.

ETA: actually... need to see just how much that would be with the credits. Even $50 in those days was hard to come by, sure as hell wouldn't want to mail it to an insurance agency.



"Blood from a stone....."

Exactly....

I was one of the lucky few who have been blessed with TWO really great jobs for a combined 7 years of my life, both of which led to a combined 2 1/2 years of unemployment payouts that were twice what I make weekly at my shit job I've been working for over 1 1/2 years now.

Also, back when the minimum wage I made was $5.25 an hour when I was 17, I could buy 5 gallons of gas with that money, after tax. Today, I make $8.00 an hour. I'm really glad the price of gas around here has seemed to hover around here at $3.15 a gallon, so I'm getting a little less than 2 gallons for it, after tax...

Needless to say, I rarely ever drive around just for the sake of driving around anymore. I used to love getting in my car, taking a small hit of weed and just drive around forest preserve type areas and listen to my favorite music. Maybe even pulling over from time to time and do some fishing.....



"Just Bill Me?"

Haha!

That's the best thing you said there! Why not Just Bill Me? Remember, no matter what color the skin or what sex our politicians are today, they were born into these roles 95% of the time. Not only do almost every single one of them have any concept of how it is to live paycheck to paycheck while also being a responsible person, but they work for the LARGEST CORPORATION IN THE WORLD who's motto is "spend now, pay later".

Oh... BTW...

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

I guess my personal share of our Idiot Politician's overspending since the early 70's is nearly as much as I bought my house for.......





As for insurance, I agree something needs to be done. Unfortunately, had insurance never been invented in the first place, we'd all be much better off. As it has become a necessary evil, there has to be a way to leverage it to make healthcare affordable for everyone.



My first rule? If you cut off the wrong appendage, you lose the ability to legally hold a scalpel for the rest of your life in America.

Neuro-surgeons, assuming they're not intoxicated get a bye here. We don't really know shit about the brain, so you can't be held accountable if that don't work out right....



Insurance companies are a problem, but they're far from the biggest problem when it comes to how unaffordable healthcare in America is today. Ambulance chasing lawyers who win multi-million dollar lawsuits and non-tax-paying illegals who get free healthcare are the problem.



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Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:54 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I NEVER EVER could have afforded insurance from 18-24, and I'm super responsible and great with money and THAT was ten years ago...
You could pick up a decent running car then for less than five grand, and rent on our mobile home (which I owned) was $165 with a $15 water bill.
Even with owning one today, rent is over $500, apartment rent is $600-800. Lets not even talk about how much a decent car can run these days...

When your take home is only about a thousand bucks a month as a kid, WHERE DO THEY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO GET THE MONEY???



Good for you Wish for being so responsible with money at that age. I wasn't. I easily spent $60k on B.S. in those years. I bought everybody rounds at the bar and bought girls expensive drinks all the time. When I got laid off 2 months after 9/11, all I had left was about $3k in a CD and a paid for Cavalier that was already 5 years old.

The truth is that i COULD afford AFA healthcare if it were a law back in 2000. I also didn't have health insurance until my boss finally broke down and got me on a plan. (I was young and stupid and didn't realize how much that cost him, even 14 years ago).

I NEVER would have signed up for voluntary extra payments for something as "stupid" as health-insurance. That was for old people. I was young and stupid and single and free for the first time in my life. Back then, I was the 1 in 20 people who knew enough about computers that they'd be able to even sign up for it.

I don't see ANY way of making this system work. They've even told us that a very similar system by the name of SSI and SSDI will be broke before we are old enough to collect on all those taxes we paid.

Short of putting a gun to every 18-29 year old's head, I don't see how you're going to get them to do it. Hell... half the people I work with never used a keyboard or typewriter. They do all their abvEng on smrtphonz.


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Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


G and Wish, as to young people affording it, you have to bear in mind that getting insurance NOW isn't like it was before, for several reasons:
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Myth 1: Premium Prices Are Too Expensive For Young People

REALITY: Most Young Uninsured Americans Will Qualify For Subsidies, Making Coverage Affordable

The Washington Post: "90 Percent Of Uninsured Young Adults Will Qualify For [ACA's] More Generous Subsidies." According to Washington Post's Wonkblog, 90 percent of uninsured young adults will qualify for tax credits to subsidize their health coverage:
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To start, about 90 percent of uninsured young adults will qualify for the law's more generous subsidies. Census data shows there are about 11 million Americans between 20 and 29. Eight-seven percent of them have incomes below 400 percent of the federal poverty line, meaning they will qualify for some level of a tax subsidy or for the Medicaid program.



The bar on the far left represents the 4.83 million young adults who earn less than 138 percent of the federal poverty line and will become eligible for Medicaid. That entitlement program does not use the age rating provisions used in the private market, meaning that one-third of young adults won't interact with this part of Obamacare in any way.

The three bars in the middle show young adults who will become eligible for subsidies under the Affordable Care Act. Those subsidies will cap the young adults spending on health insurance as a percent of income. Let's take an individual who earns $22,240, which works out to 200 percent of the poverty line. That person would get enough tax subsidies so that, at most, he was spending $1,407 annually on health insurance (a $117 monthly premium). http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/02/11/is-obamacar
e-bad-for-young-people-lets-ask-them/
]


Robert Woods Jones Foundation: 5.4 Million Young People Will Be Eligible for Medicaid In 2014. According to the Robert Woods Jones Foundation, 5.4 million young Americans will have access to no cost health coverage under Medicaid:
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There has been tremendous policy focus on getting so-called "young invincibles" to purchase coverage in the news health insurance exchanges being built under the Affordable Care Act (ACA). While enrolling these uninsured young adults in exchange plans is important, even more uninsured young adults - 5.4 million in totoal--will be eligible for Medicaid in 2014. Although the young adults who will be eligible for Medicaid under the ACA are a heterogeneous group, efforts targets at the parents of Medicaid-covered children at households receiving Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) or Unemployment Insurance (UI) could reach as many as half of these uninsured young adults. An estimated 4.3 million uninsured young adults with incomes below 138 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) will not be eligible for Medicaid in January of 2014, because they live in states that are not planning on expanding medicaid. Most will likely remain uninsured, given their lack of access to affordable coverage. http://www.rwjf.org/content/dam/farm/reports/issue_briefs/2013/rwjf408
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Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Niki2:
REALITY: Most Young Uninsured Americans Will Qualify For Subsidies, Making Coverage Affordable



I can't argue with that at all...

IN FACT, the yearly premiums for most under-35's will be less than 500 alone.

Don't light a cigarette though......

As I said before, given my age, the fact I'm single, the fact I own my house and the fact I smoke, my AFA plan could be over 2k a year if my state passes a law to allow the insurance companies to charge the full 50% increase unsubsidized.....

No skin off my sack. I haven't had health insurance for over 5 years.

No taxes in the future either since I'll be "taxed out of compliance"

That alone should be a warning sign to you do-good-left-wingers....

Maybe not though, since Niki hates me. Fuck the guy who doesn't tow our line.....


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Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Brother/Sister.... Niki is not the one to talk to, but I feel your pain.

I'm currently living on just over 9k a year NET.

Niki is a bleeding heart overpaid liberal for life who can stand on her pulpit and dictate what should and shouldn't be.

It's OK to WANT to be like Niki, but I really hope that when you make her wages that you're not such a dick about it.

If you actually have money to burn, which it sounds like you don't, I can guaranty that there are a million better places to burn it on....

Chances are, you're FAR too young and gullible to just throw your young earned money away on anything. Save it for worthy things like your future child's future.

Fuck, these Liberals here. At least when politicians do it, I understand that they've boned upwards of 10's of thousands of people. I wonder how horrible Niki has been in a former life to warrant her tireless love everyone except for Jack campaign.


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Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:39 PM

WISHIMAY




Obviously, this is a sensitive topic for a lot of us. XD

I wouldn't wanna re-live my twenties for anything, and it's amazing I did it the first time... I guess people think no kids are in need of healthcare or that they should have to be dependent on parents if they do, or that they have a whole lifetime to pay for it, but it never made sense to me to not have young adults be covered universally. They are waaay more likely to get hurt and waaay less likely to be able to pay. Just don't make sense... But then as a country we are allll about the not making sense thing


On that note:
"YESSS I JUST POPPED THE OTHER SIDE OF MY NECK WHERE IT"S BEEN OUT FOR WEEKS!!!
WHOOPEEEE!
Probably shift back out tonight when it snows but YAY for FIVE FREAKING MINUTES!!!

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 5:02 PM

BYTEMITE


People are having long, in depth, and vitriolic conversations about... insurance policies?

o.0



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love everyone except for Jack campaign.


Hating one person to the exclusion of everyone else would be EXHAUSTING. There's way too much conflict and animosity to spread around for a person to focus on just one hate object. Plus they have to eat and sleep, maybe even work for a living, and it's inevitable they would want to look at other people.

Hate needs outlets too. Cheating is pretty natural.

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 5:46 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Brother/Sister.... Niki is not the one to talk to, but I feel your pain.

I'm currently living on just over 9k a year NET.

Niki is a bleeding heart overpaid liberal for life who can stand on her pulpit and dictate what should and shouldn't be.

It's OK to WANT to be like Niki, but I really hope that when you make her wages that you're not such a dick about it.

If you actually have money to burn, which it sounds like you don't, I can guaranty that there are a million better places to burn it on....

Chances are, you're FAR too young and gullible to just throw your young earned money away on anything. Save it for worthy things like your future child's future.

Fuck, these Liberals here. At least when politicians do it, I understand that they've boned upwards of 10's of thousands of people. I wonder how horrible Niki has been in a former life to warrant her tireless love everyone except for Jack campaign.




Your Niki hang-up continues to be extraordinarily creepy. Do you have some major league mommy issues, or what?




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:07 PM

BYTEMITE


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Do you have some major league mommy issues, or what?


That's... Actually probably pretty close. As I understand it, there was a divorce and Jack was pretty bitter about his mother abandoning them or something.

I can't really say anything about having bizarre hate obsessions, as I'm not exactly innocent. Sometimes the feelings just are. Preferably people agree to deal with the situation in a calm and civil way and barring the initial accidents and confrontations everyone can continue going about their lives.


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Thursday, December 5, 2013 7:31 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Wow, Mark, is he still at it? The man should get a life--I don't read anything he writes, so I didn't see this until you quoted it. Poor thing, I thought by now he'd have tired of his little obsession. Oh, well.

G, I sympathize, believe me. Out of high school I worked at Mike's Hero Sandwiches, as well as Dairy Queen, and lived in communal houses where nobody was making much, so believe me, I do understand. I got lucky--my parents said I could move home for a couple of years to go to jr. college as long as I took some business classes…I didn't make it all the way through but that at least got me a file clerk job, then filing for a school district, then filing in the basement of a hospital, so still lived on next to nothing, but eventually I was able to work my way up to word processor and finally desktop publisher. It was only living in communal houses which made it possible for me to survive at all, and in the first one, I slept on a mattress on the floor 'cuz that's all my share could afford. There's no way I could have afforded health insurance back then, either, but the expansion of Medicaid is going to help a lot of people in those situations.

The one thing I know is we've got to do SOMETHING…the cost of health care in this country is hurting all of us, whether we've got it or not, and I agree with Wish: " They are waaay more likely to get hurt and waaay less likely to be able to pay."


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Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:21 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
There's nothing new here, and you know it full well.



Nope.

The Washington Post and Harvard, which did the poll, know there's something there.

Maybe you should ask U.S. News why their poll numbers didn't stand up seven months later.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, December 6, 2013 11:58 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Do you have some major league mommy issues, or what?
Seems so! 6IX, please get help.


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Friday, December 6, 2013 12:00 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Has the contraception issue been decided? Because 52% of the young population has a vested and continuing interest in health insurance, even if the other 48% think they're never going to get sick and they're going to live forever.

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Friday, December 6, 2013 12:16 PM

WHOZIT


The fine is cheaper than Barrycare, even older but healthy people will pass on it.

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Friday, December 6, 2013 12:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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The fine is cheaper than Barrycare, even older but healthy people will pass on it.
But the fine combined with out-of-pocket expenses may not be.

For 52% of the young population, one option might be to keep buying contraception and gynecological services out of pocket and pay the fine. The other option might be to purchase insurance and get a subsidy. Each person will have to figure out for themselves where that breakpoint is for them.

I could add that many "young people" have chronic conditions that require medication and monitoring: asthma, for example. So additional young people who are fundamentally healthy but who require regular care might find it advantageous to sign up.

Just sayin'.

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Friday, December 6, 2013 4:29 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree with a lot of that, Sig, but also bear in mind that, for many young people, between the subsidies and Medicaid, the fine is NOT cheaper than getting health insurance would be for them, and the fine gets steeper after the first year. Little zit makes statements all the time, but he has no idea whether what he's saying is true or not, he's just parroting what he hears/reads from the right.

Beyond that, you're absolutely right; when young people find they NEED health insurance and find out how much getting anything at all will cost them (like the first time they break and arm or leg and end up in hospital), they'll get a rude awakening. Of course, our righties will be tickled pink for them to not buy health insurance end up in the E.R., or hospital, and the rest of us pick up the tab, as we do now--and isn't that amusing?


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