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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Actually a large part of it revolves around Alice Miller, who pointed out to them in some very undeniable ways how mistreatment of entire generations set them up for the blaze of fascism which plunged the world into chaos, and unlike the extremely fascist-friendly morons we are, they took this to heart.

Which is *WHY* socially, scientifically, educationally, and in every single humane way, they're thirty-some years ahead of us.

It helped that they also had a long history of a closer-to-home family/tribe/clan social concept which we never had, since we were founded by a bunch of puritan dicks who thought denying everything humane about humanity was the way to go, a poison still rotting our society from the inside out.

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A person or group who is hurt comes to believe that’s how one should act. It’s weird, it’s counterintuitive (shouldn’t abuse make you want to be sure it never happens to anyone else), but the evidence is that it’s true. Once hurt, once damaged, too many of us act out that hurt on other people.

Or, as the saying about child-rearing runs, children do what you do, not what you say. If you abuse them, they will abuse. If you bully them, they will become bullies.

True of adults, too.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I see how some often will look towards Europe as being so "enlightened", "progressive " and advanced, as compared to back woods , hayseed chomping good ole USA.

Then I think of soccer riots, massive deaths in France - caused mainly when healthcare workers just up and left for holiday, leaving elderly and the infirmed to swelter and die during a summer heat wave, and then I think... gee, our life doesn't suck so bad after all.

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

That's a LOT of history, a bloody long time for folks to be that civilized.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
There's that, but at least when they looted and pillaged they were honest about it.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I see how some often will look towards Europe as being so "enlightened", "progressive " and advanced, as compared to back woods , hayseed chomping good ole USA.

Then I think of soccer riots, massive deaths in France - caused mainly when healthcare workers just up and left for holiday, leaving elderly and the infirmed to swelter and die during a summer heat wave, and then I think...

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