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Australia high court overturns ACT gay marriage law

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 7:55 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Australia's High Court has overturned legislation allowing gay marriage in the Australian Capital Territory (ACT).

The ACT parliament passed a bill in October making the territory the first part of Australia to legalise same-sex weddings.

But the national government challenged the decision, saying it was inconsistent with federal laws.

Some 27 couples who married since the law came into effect last weekend will now have their unions declared invalid.

The court said the issue should be decided by parliament - which in September 2012 voted down gay marriage legislation.

'Matter for lawmakers'

The ACT legislation had allowed gay couples to marry inside the ACT, which includes the Australian capital, Canberra - regardless of which state they live in.

Federal law, however, specified in 2004 that marriage was between a man and a woman.

Civil unions are allowed in some states in Australia.



More at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25344219

Sorry to see this. I had thought Australia would be more open to marriage equality.

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 7:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Rut-roe.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:18 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I'm sad to see it, too; it parallels what happened to us here in California, but goes one worse in invalidating the marriages. At least we let ours stand; this is essentially ripping away legally-granted rights. I'm pretty sure it'll be reversed eventually, as ours was; the tide has turned at this point.


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Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:00 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


What's higher in Australia than their high court? Just wondering how'd that be changed - again.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:13 AM

BYTEMITE


The article says their parliament can vote to change the law and then the high court can reverse the decision. The law around the nation is no gay marriage, it's just one territory voted to allow it and had that nullified.

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:23 PM

REAVERFAN


They've got neocons in Australia, too.

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:52 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
They've got neocons in Australia, too.



The biggest, most hateful, bigoted right-winger I know (this dude almost makes rappy seem reasonable) is an Aussie.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:06 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yeah, so that makes us all bigoted right wingers. Thanks for the generalisation.

The decision was overturned because marriage laws are federal here, not state or territory based. And as there is now a legal defintion at federal level of 'one man and one woman', states can't pass laws which would directly contradict this. It's not the high courts fault, the law needs to be changed at federal level. And seeing as we have the 'Mad Abbot' Mr Catholic Conservative as PM, that aint gonna happen for at least 3 years.

Still good news. PM has only been in power for a few months and his approval rating is plummeting.

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:12 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yeah, so that makes us all bigoted right wingers. Thanks for the generalisation.



Wait.... one person saying that a whole country has right wingers, too - and me saying I know ONE.... means we're saying you ALL are?

Don't go full rappy on us, Magons.... Because NO ONE said what you are claiming.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:18 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I'm not going full rappy. It was a stupid comment. I once met this American who was a complete Narcissist, so what....


Anyway. Some positive spin on this decision.

Quote:



Equal marriage campaigners should be celebrating the high court’s rejection of the ACT’s Marriage Equality Act.

True, months of legislative effort went up in smoke when six judges handed down their unanimous decision. And 31 gay and lesbian marriages celebrated so publicly in Canberra this week bit the dust.

But the high court has done remarkable work. It went out of its way to declare that that there are no historical, religious or constitutional barriers to same-sex marriage in Australia. The way is open so long as the law is national.

Theirs is not the language of equal marriage advocates, but the judges unanimously declared that in 2013 old notions of Christian matrimony don’t decide the meaning of marriage in the Australian constitution.

“Marriage law is and must be recognised now to be more complex,” they said. “Some jurisdictions outside Australia permit polygamy. Some jurisdictions outside Australia, in a variety of constitutional settings, now permit marriage between same-sex couples.

“These facts cannot be ignored or hidden. It is not now possible [if it ever was] to decide what the juristic concept of marriage includes by confining attention to the marriage law of only those countries which provide for forms of marriage which accord with a preconceived notion of what marriage ‘should’ be.”

Politicians may decide, as they did under John Howard in 2004, that marriage in Australia will be allowed only between men and women. But that’s politics, declared the judges, not constitutional law.

For those Australians who support same-sex marriage, the key passage in the high court judgment is a definition of marriage blind to gender: “Marriage is to be understood in the constitution as referring to a consensual union formed between natural persons in accordance with legally prescribed requirements…”

The ACT law came undone for trying to muscle in on the commonwealth’s territory. Not wanting to replicate in Australia the chaos of marriage laws in the United States, the founding fathers here decided on one national law for marriage and divorce.

The ACT government argued the national parliament had given the territory room to move in 2004 by ruling out same-sex marriage. So the commonwealth would look after heterosexual marriage and the ACT homosexual marriage.

The court was not persuaded. “The absence of a provision permitting same sex marriage does not mean that the territory legislature may make such a provision. It does not mean that a territory law permitting same sex marriage can operate concurrently with the federal law.”

So by a vote of 6-0 the ACT’s law died. But the message of the judgment went far beyond the death of this venturesome piece of legislation. The judges are saying as clearly as they can that if the national parliament recognises equal marriage, the high court won’t stand in its way.

For campaigners, the only battle ahead is political.



David Marr in the Guardian.



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Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:00 PM

STORYMARK


Oh, get over yourself.

What I said was true - the biggest bigot I know is from Australia. That's a fact. Im not going to lie to save you suddenly tender feelings.

It wasn't a generalization, it was a specific example. Literally the exact opposite of a generalization.

You don't like that it is where he's from, well, I can put you in tough and you can bitch at him about it. I didn't make him what he is, nor decide where he came from. And Ill not censor myself because you might get cranky that I mentioned there are some bad people in your country, just like every goddamned other country.

You met an American Narcissist? Why, that individual must have been a real tool. (Look at me, not deliberately misreading a specific example as a indictment of a whole nationality!! Golly, how'd I manage that??)




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:42 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


So nothing to say about the high court decision then?

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:29 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


From my understanding, the Auzzie culture is some what " old school " in how men and women interact with each other. Think " Mad Men ", the t.v. show. At least, that's how it was described to me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:11 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Yep, its exactly like Mad Men here. In fact, this is me on my way to work this morning.


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Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:02 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yep, its exactly like Mad Men here. In fact, this is me on my way to work this morning.


Damn, you're cute. lol

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:46 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I fancy me

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Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:55 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yep, its exactly like Mad Men here. In fact, this is me on my way to work this morning.




Whoah! ... good walk into work.






( I'll be in my bunk )

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:53 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


So that's Australia for you. According to our PM, that's what he'd like. A return to good old values. Women left the tough world of business and politics to men, stayed home and had lots of babies, and gave their kids a 'loving' clip over the ear when required. Or maybe they left that for Dad. 'Wait til your father gets home'

And men wear budgie smugglers. Our PM




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