"For all you kids watching at home, Santa just IS white" by Niki2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Not to be outdone:

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Libertarian radio host Neal Boortz on Monday defended Fox News' Megyn Kelly's insistence that Santa Claus is white.

"I'm sorry. Santa Claus is white, okay? Deal with it," Boortz, who was filling in for Herman Cain on his radio show, said after a caller asked about the controversy surrounding Kelly's statement.

"I'm gonna scream and complain because Martin Luther King is always portrayed as black," Boortz added.

I think we can neatly trace the arc of conservatives' standing on discussions of race and history. Twenty five years ago conservatives were pushing back against trendy fringe academic claims that Jesus was sub-saharan African. Today they're dead-enders on the question of whether Santa is white. This isn't progress.

Tho', were it me, I'd put House Republicans as SLIGHTLY less devolved than FauxNews fans...not the other way around...

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:27 PM

Hrmmmmmm.....

And others would say that is the definition of Devolution...

Evil Hater....

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:16 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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The result being "Santa makes sense". Which even a lily-white Santa REALLY doesn't. But that doesn't stop kids from loving him.

Why doesn't it make sense for Santa to be white?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:33 PM

I find it amusing how we trick and deceive children in order to surprise them with presents, and that one particular deception has gained enough traction that there are different versions all over the world converted through the lens of the local culture.

It appears that there is a universal truth that most parents care for their kids, and also like to mess with them and tease them for their own entertainment. Any practice which allows the combination of the two parenting approaches in a lighthearted way will inevitably enjoy immense popularity.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:53 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

It was so huge even I couldn't ignore it, so I'll respond:

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Devolution (biology)

Devolution, de-evolution, or backward evolution is the notion that a species can change into a more "primitive" form over time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_(biology)

And yeah, KPO, I, too, don't understand why it wouldn't make sense for Santa to be white....

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:02 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Personally, I don't see Santa Clause as an illustration of parents wanting to "mess with" their kids. Santa Claus is a cultural thing, it's everywhere...the option would be to tell any child of any age who asks that Santa doesn't exist, I take it? Certainly it's feasible, but I can see a lot of complications and confusion, depending on how young the child is.

For me, it's a double-edged sword. On one hand, it divorces the parents from being the ones who provide the gifts, which is kind of neat in that the child can feel they "earned" the gifts on their own. On the other hand, it puts some nebulous "person" in charge of deciding whether the child has been "bad or good", which is a God concept. I'm pretty sure that, either way, most children probably believe that their parents are the ones who decide whether they deserve the gifts or not anyway, so it's no biggie.

I just don't see it as indicative of parents wanting to "mess with" their children, more just going along with the culture, and when it comes to hiding the gifts, putting them out surreptitiously after the children are asleep, having the children leave out milk and cookies, etc., kind of enjoying some childishness of their own. JMHO.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:08 PM

Saint Nicolas was Greek, and tended to be depicted with dark hair and tanned skin. He was still often depicted as being tanned when he was depicted as older with grey hair.

Specifically it was said that it doesn't make sense for Santa to be "lily white." Which is probably accurate.

But more importantly, it doesn't really matter what he's depicted as. Heck, if you're dyslexic or a member of a counter-culture religion, he might even be red, or black, with horns and goat legs.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:14 PM

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I just don't see it as indicative of parents wanting to "mess with" their children

Really? Because my parents always liked to tell us that Santa didn't come. And then record the reaction.

Parenting is exhausting and frustrating and tiresome from what I can tell, and so trolling children mercilessly appears to be some form of past time or escape. Christmas is a chance to tease but also give your offspring presents, to appease them for the trickery.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:28 PM

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The result being "Santa makes sense". Which even a lily-white Santa REALLY doesn't. But that doesn't stop kids from loving him.

Why doesn't it make sense for Santa to be white?

It's not personal. It's just war.

I meant Santa in general. One guy delivering presents world-wide, etc.

The figure itself requires mighty suspension of disbelief. I find varying skin colors to be a fairly minor aspect of that.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:29 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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Saint Nicolas was Greek, and tended to be depicted with dark hair and tanned skin. He was still often depicted as being tanned when he was depicted as older with grey hair.

Specifically it was said that it doesn't make sense for Santa to be "lily white."

I see. I could contest that, noting that although Santa Claus was based on the original St Nicholas he has evolved into his own person, with his own 'facts' and characteristics (like living in the North Pole, not modern day Turkey). But the fact is, not a single child is going to bring up the historical St Nicholas to query why Santa Claus is lily white. Most/all would however, query why Santa changes skin colour.

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Really? Because my parents always liked to tell us that Santa didn't come. And then record the reaction.

Sounds horrible!

Edit: AR, ah, gotcha.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:32 PM

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I meant Santa in general. One guy delivering presents world-wide, etc.

The figure itself requires mighty suspension of disbelief. I find varying skin colors to be a fairly minor aspect of that.

Why not different Santa versions for every region, in fact?

I can actually imagine a movie where they convene for a sort of U.N. type holiday council. And it's a hilarious spoof of the inanity of regular politics and diplomacy. If it's parliament style it could even erupt into a brawl, with each Santa using their own particular aspects to their advantage.

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I could contest that, noting that although Santa Claus was based on the original St Nicholas he has evolved into his own person, with his own 'facts' and characteristics

Such as, potentially, being black or asian.

You'd be surprised at what kids don't really question so long as it fits into some world view.

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Really? Because my parents always liked to tell us that Santa didn't come. And then record the reaction.

Sounds horrible!

It was hilarious. In an annoying way. And it did teach us a healthy amount of distrust for authority. Every family has their own traditions.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:58 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I agree with Rouka. I don't think kids young enough to believe in Santa Claus would have that much trouble with his appearance changing somewhat.

As to parents "messing with" their kids, I now understand where that comes from Byte, but I might suggest not extrapolating generalizations from how your parents behaved. I found that disgusting, and never knew any parents who did anything like that.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:59 PM

STORYMARK

Also, at that age, the kid might not even be cognizant of the differences in skin color, or what they entail.

I grew up calling my Dad's best friend "Uncle George" and had no idea whatsoever that we were not actually related until I was probably 6 or 7.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:11 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

As to parents "messing with" their kids, I now understand where that comes from Byte, but I might suggest not extrapolating generalizations from how your parents behaved. I found that disgusting, and never knew any parents who did anything like that.

?

Seriously, that's nothing. This one time, my grandmother took her five sons to an abandoned warehouse, told them that a man-eating giant lived there, then yelled "He's coming!" and drove off without them.

She's the nicest person I know. And knowing my uncles and my dad - they probably deserved it. We all laugh about it now.

Then there's all the stories we were told about the martians in the attic that would abduct us, and the murderer in the basement...

And we have some family friends who are part German, and they once hired a friend of theirs to dress up like the Krumpus and kidnap their kids on Christmas.

So I'm pretty sure that trolling kids is fairly normal.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:33 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I find it amusing how we trick and deceive children in order to surprise them with presents, and that one particular deception has gained enough traction that there are different versions all over the world converted through the lens of the local culture.

It appears that there is a universal truth that most parents care for their kids, and also like to mess with them and tease them for their own entertainment. Any practice which allows the combination of the two parenting approaches in a lighthearted way will inevitably enjoy immense popularity.

In the end, I feel that only Byte would ever get my household philosophy on "Christmas" if I needed one....

Santa has a ton of shit to do. He comes late to our neck of the woods because a lot of other kids are much more needier....

Meanwhile, after Christmas, we buy up all of the 70% off clearance toys and celebrate Christams on New Years Eve morning.

Idiots.....

Seriously....

Not my kids. They don't know any better.

Shame on you for EVER paying FULL asking price for ANYTHING

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:46 PM

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Now sure how that applies to my quote but...

Really? You see no connection there at all ? Between how some view Jesus & the more likely , accurate image ?
Huh.

The quote you used was me saying that Megyn Kelly's "joke" breached a line when she addressed children. So no, the connection between that and Buff Jesus is pretty slim.

The TOPIC of how folks view historical figures, be it St.Nicholas or Jesus is the point. Not sure how you're missing that. Yeah, I quoted you,but only because you mentioned Jesus, and then I went on to expand on the bigger issue.

Pretty simple to follow, actually.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:50 PM

America loves a winner!

I can see that Niki gets her news from Media Matters or some such Left wing site, instead of actually listening to talk radio hosts like Neal Boortz ( who actually retired from full time radio at the end of 2012, but on occasion, will fill in as guest host )

Neal did talk radio for 40 + years, and loves nothing more than to piss off Leftists and bible thumpers equally.

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Devolution (biology)

Devolution, de-evolution, or backward evolution is the notion that a species can change into a more "primitive" form over time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_(biology)

Of course, this definition only works if you believe that man kind is the PINNACLE of biological evolution, and that all previous life forms are inferior, less advanced and of less significance than our own. It is a incomplete and false premise.

Which may explain Niki's cheesy, woefully inaccurate and derogatory 'devolution' imaged of politics pic. The absurd and laughable implication that those who cherish and promote freedom and individual rights are some how 'lesser' than the fully erect, enlightened socialists. When in fact, the exact opposite is true, and TEA Party Americans are at the pinnacle of human political evolution.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:51 PM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Now sure how that applies to my quote but...

Really? You see no connection there at all ? Between how some view Jesus & the more likely , accurate image ?
Huh.

The quote you used was me saying that Megyn Kelly's "joke" breached a line when she addressed children. So no, the connection between that and Buff Jesus is pretty slim.

The TOPIC of how folks view historical figures, be it St.Nicholas or Jesus is the point. Not sure how you're missing that. Yeah, I quoted you,but only because you mentioned Jesus, and then I went on to expand on the bigger issue.

Pretty simple to follow, actually.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

If you bring up Jesus, you lose Rap.

That is pretty much the only rule today.

It's not the end of days. It just makes your job harder.

Soldier on.....

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:55 PM

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The TOPIC of how folks view historical figures, be it St.Nicholas or Jesus is the point. Not sure how you're missing that. Yeah, I quoted you,but only because you mentioned Jesus, and then I went on to expand on the bigger issue.

Pretty simple to follow, actually.

So you saw the word "Jesus" and decided to quote me as a jumping-off point regardless of what I actually said in that paragraph.

... instead of quoting anything that came before in this thread that actually dealt with the subject of what Jesus may have looked like.

... instead of simply going "Regarding Jesus..."

That's actually not simple to follow. That's a pretty convoluted way of inserting your opinion on oiled, muscled Jesus. Though let us get back to that subject, I'm still curious about your experience with that image. In fact, you could go back to my whole reply to your post, quote that and then answer my questions there!

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:01 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

If you bring up Jesus, you lose Rap.

That is pretty much the only rule today.

It's not the end of days. It just makes your job harder.

Soldier on.....

I wasn't the one who brought up jesus. I just carried on the conversation.

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So you saw the word "Jesus" and decided to quote me as a jumping-off point regardless of what I actually said in that paragraph.

Yep.

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... instead of quoting anything that came before in this thread that actually dealt with the subject of what Jesus may have looked like.

Yep. Because it wasn't necessary. My comments were a tangent off of what you said...

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... instead of simply going "Regarding Jesus..."

That would have worked too, but since YOU brought it up, I wanted to clarify that I wasn't simply commenting on something from clear out of left field.

*ETA - Hell, I DID say " Per Jesus ", which is pretty much the exact same thing...seriously, you have no point here !

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That's actually not simple to follow. That's a pretty convoluted way of inserting your opinion on oiled, muscled Jesus. Though let us get back to that subject, I'm still curious about your experience with that image. In fact, you could go back to my whole reply to your post, quote that and then answer my questions there!

It's extremely simple to follow, if one isn't so anal as to insist that by quoting you I'm speaking directly to what you said. I wasn't. It was, in fact " regarding Jesus ".

What ever works best for ya, I suppose.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:24 PM

Buddah da duddah bodiddah riddah

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:24 PM

that is an awesome reply Byte. Love you :)

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Meanwhile, Niki is eating balls...

Like she's done through all the bad years.

A Ghetto Mom nobody extenz for lol...

go eat a dick Charie...

what a miserable life it must be even knowing Niki in person, let alone being her bitch husband....

Memorial Day and Labor Day today are only holidays which further my younger cousins and sheild them from any RWED BS

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:41 PM

what kind of mom thinks about only Herself while one of Her children have a seizure and possibly a stroke?

EVIL....

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:41 PM

and/or mindless Liberal....?

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Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:42 PM

STORYMARK

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It's extremely simple to follow, if one isn't so anal as to insist that by quoting you I'm speaking directly to what you said. I wasn't. It was, in fact " regarding Jesus ".

It's easy to follow if you're you, and know why you were doing it. Otherwise, it just seems kinda random.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:16 AM

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That's actually not simple to follow. That's a pretty convoluted way of inserting your opinion on oiled, muscled Jesus. Though let us get back to that subject, I'm still curious about your experience with that image. In fact, you could go back to my whole reply to your post, quote that and then answer my questions there!

It's extremely simple to follow, if one isn't so anal as to insist that by quoting you I'm speaking directly to what you said. I wasn't. It was, in fact " regarding Jesus ".

And here I thought that was the point of the quote function. Directly addressing the quote.

I'm noticing you're still showing no interest in talking about the actual oiled, muscled Jesus point you brought up, while instead focusing entirely on my minor objection over your odd quote use - and then calling me "anal" about it, as if I forced the conversation in that direction. That was, you know, you.

So can we get to the point already?

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Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:27 AM

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And here I thought that was the point of the quote function. Directly addressing the quote.

Again, that's why I started out with ... " per Jesus ". You still aren't catching that, huh?

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I'm noticing you're still showing no interest in talking about the actual oiled, muscled Jesus point you brought up, while instead focusing entirely on my minor objection over your odd quote use - and then calling me "anal" about it, as if I forced the conversation in that direction. That was, you know, you.

So can we get to the point already?

Umm, I had already MADE my point on the 'roided up JC imagery. What more did you want me to say ? I thought it extremely creepy. In fact, YOU'RE the one skirting the point I brought up, claiming it was convoluted or some such that I went there in the first place.

To recap...

The topic is how Santa " actually " is to be portrayed, and then YOU brought up Jesus, blah blah blah, which got me onto how HE'S been portrayed, which lead me to my comment.

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Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:43 AM

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Again, that's why I started out with ... " per Jesus ". You still aren't catching that, huh?

I catch that you think it is very important I believe you used the quote function right by quoting something extremely unrelated because it had a buzzword in it.

Can we leave it at this: I think you used it wrong. You disagree. End of story.

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I'm noticing you're still showing no interest in talking about the actual oiled, muscled Jesus point you brought up, while instead focusing entirely on my minor objection over your odd quote use - and then calling me "anal" about it, as if I forced the conversation in that direction. That was, you know, you.

So can we get to the point already?

Umm, I had already MADE my point on the 'roided up JC imagery. What more did you want me to say ? I thought it extremely creepy. In fact, YOU'RE the one skirting the point I brought up, claiming it was convoluted or some such that I went there in the first place.

I asked you specific questions about your post, and presented thoughts about your viewpoint. Answer the questions or comment on what I wrote. That's what more I want you to say.

In fact, all this made up a far larger aspect of my reply than the tiny bit about your quote use. That is NOT skirting the issue.

Are you capable of addressing any of that? I can repeat the questions if that's what you need.

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Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:41 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ooops, somebody else isn't getting enough attention lately, I guess. It just keeps getting funnier (and crazier!):

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The “White Santa” issue continues to gain ever more dimensions as the right-wing pundits demand to turn a Turkish bishop into a white nordic figure. Now, Herman Cain radio show guest host Neal Boortz spoke with a caller and stated that not only were Jesus and Santa white, that if people are able to change them from white, that he should have the right to claim that Martin Luther King was also white.

“Everything has got to be black now, it doesn’t matter what it is,” the caller laments.

“You know, I’m going to scream and complain because Martin Luther King is always portrayed as black,” Boortz quips. “It just ain’t right.”

Talk about COMPLETELY unclear on the concept...and completely loony to boot...!

The silliest part is that we have photos of MLK, a real person, as well as portraits of St. Nicholas, a real person, and neither was "white". To argue that the cartoon character CREATED from St. Nicholas "must" be white or else the REAL PERSON of MLK should be portrayed as white is beyond belief.

Or, OMG, is it possible these poor deluded right wingers never grew out of believing Santa Claus is a REAL PERSON???

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Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:00 AM

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Or, OMG, is it possible these poor deluded right wingers never grew out of believing Santa Claus is a REAL PERSON???

Tsk. You'll never get any presents that way.

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Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:37 AM

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Now sure how that applies to my quote but...

1) ...which version are you referring to? Is there a specific image or tradition of depiction you're referring to?

Random images I've seen, from the likes of *Chick Tracts,I believe. Or similar b-grade type publications.

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2) I can only pray I misunderstood here, but Jesus with muscles is homosexual imagery? The grin I get imagining that this is what comes to your mind looking at him suffering on the cross is.. hard to suppress.

Not MY mind, but those who think that a buff, strong, masculine Jesus is some how more desirable image to put forth. It's like someone is over compensating.

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3) Jesus was a carpenter. And not necessarily a poor one who couldn't afford proper food. He probably HAD muscles, when you think about it. At least for a time. Depends on how quickly they went away when he started walking around preaching. But if he actually grew up as a carpenter helping Daddy Joseph you'd he would have developed a reasonably muscled physique. Carpentry takes some level of strength.

There's an athletic build that laborers can have, true. But there's also a hulkier, beefy physique that body builders aim for, which generally exceeds the normal muscle mass one sees in those who do manual labor. The JC I saw was more Muscle Beach than John Henry, if that makes any sense.

* (Adam - the " perfect " man )

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:01 AM

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Random images I've seen, from the likes of *Chick Tracts,I believe. Or similar b-grade type publications.

*Recoil in horror*

That might be what the problem is. Also, you POOR THING. Who chained you to a desk and forced you to read those?

I tried to get into those simply for my own twisted entertainment, but even my taste for the horrible was not tasteless enough for Chick Tracts.

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Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:16 AM

America loves a winner!

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Random images I've seen, from the likes of *Chick Tracts,I believe. Or similar b-grade type publications.

*Recoil in horror*

That might be what the problem is. Also, you POOR THING. Who chained you to a desk and forced you to read those?

I tried to get into those simply for my own twisted entertainment, but even my taste for the horrible was not tasteless enough for Chick Tracts.

LOL. Yeah, I had to endure such torture when I crossed paths with hard core young Earth creationists. These were the fringe of the fringe ( I can only hope ) , and about as low down as the Phelps cult, on the IQ meter. Truly horrific.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:32 AM

I was not aware anyone but Jack Chick actually took Chick Tracts seriously.

Excuse me, must reboot my mind.

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Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:51 AM

I will leave a sanitized sample for people so they know what we are talking about.

http://www.fredvanlente.com/downloads/WhyWeHere.pdf

(Not actually a Chick Tract. BE THANKFUL)

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Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:03 PM

America loves a winner!

Shades of HellBoy , no ?

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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:29 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

"That might be what the problem is."

Byte EASILY gets the prize for the first DEEP, belly laugh of the day!

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Saturday, December 21, 2013 1:38 PM

Thanks for responding!

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Now sure how that applies to my quote but...

1) ...which version are you referring to? Is there a specific image or tradition of depiction you're referring to?

Random images I've seen, from the likes of *Chick Tracts,I believe. Or similar b-grade type publications.

Ooooh, I see! Okay, that's not a very mainstream phenomenon, then. Those things are incredibly creepy, I am not surprised they would depict a creepy-looking Jesus, as well.

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2) I can only pray I misunderstood here, but Jesus with muscles is homosexual imagery? The grin I get imagining that this is what comes to your mind looking at him suffering on the cross is.. hard to suppress.

Not MY mind, but those who think that a buff, strong, masculine Jesus is some how more desirable image to put forth. It's like someone is over compensating.

I cannot judge that, I honestly don't know much about closeted hyper-Christian body image issues. But I think I see what you mean.

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3) Jesus was a carpenter. And not necessarily a poor one who couldn't afford proper food. He probably HAD muscles, when you think about it. At least for a time. Depends on how quickly they went away when he started walking around preaching. But if he actually grew up as a carpenter helping Daddy Joseph you'd he would have developed a reasonably muscled physique. Carpentry takes some level of strength.

There's an athletic build that laborers can have, true. But there's also a hulkier, beefy physique that body builders aim for, which generally exceeds the normal muscle mass one sees in those who do manual labor. The JC I saw was more Muscle Beach than John Henry, if that makes any sense.

Yeah, looking at that Adam, I understand your point.

When I read your original post I hadn't expected you to refer to a fairly fringe kind of medium. Honestly, I would find anything they print disturbing just because they printed it and the air of paranoid judgment would be hanging over it.

Anyway, thanks again for elaborating!

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Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:11 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Now sure how that applies to my quote but...

1) ...which version are you referring to? Is there a specific image or tradition of depiction you're referring to?

2) I can only pray I misunderstood here, but Jesus with muscles is homosexual imagery? The grin I get imagining that this is what comes to your mind looking at him suffering on the cross is.. hard to suppress.

3) Jesus was a carpenter. And not necessarily a poor one who couldn't afford proper food. He probably HAD muscles, when you think about it. At least for a time. Depends on how quickly they went away when he started walking around preaching. But if he actually grew up as a carpenter helping Daddy Joseph you'd he would have developed a reasonably muscled physique. Carpentry takes some level of strength.

What forensic scientists think Jesus probably looked like.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/forensics/1282186

Kind of interesting how far off the mark we've got with modern aryan versions which cannot be true.

Santa changes all over the world. You'd be hard pressed to find a white man to don the suit in many parts of the globe. Meh, who cares?

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Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:43 PM

Something went awry with your quote, making Auraptor's words appear like mine...

Apart from that, much agreement.

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Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:48 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

fixed

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Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:03 PM

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Yeah, looking at that Adam, I understand your point.

When I read your original post I hadn't expected you to refer to a fairly fringe kind of medium. Honestly, I would find anything they print disturbing just because they printed it and the air of paranoid judgment would be hanging over it.

Anyway, thanks again for elaborating!

No problem.

There was also an ad for a church I saw in a newspaper, several years ago. There was a cartoon of a frail, elderly man, apparently on death's doorstep, lying in bed. In the next panel, a buff, burly male angel, ( think Kenny Powers, from East Bound and Down, with the perm mullet and all ) is grabbing the frail old man by the hand, and lifting him up into heaven. The final panel, the old man has passed, but his expression is of one who died calm and happy. His after-life self, youthful, vigorous and healthy, is side by side with his angel 'buddy'.

I do believe I was scarred for life.

I can't say for certain that it was connected w/ the Chick ministries or not, but it sure was in the same genre, that not only are Christians given eternal life, but they're freaking perfect physical specimens.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:43 PM

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Jack Chick has this strange tendency to draw both biblical figures and homosexuals that way. The best explanation I've heard is that he's gay for Jesus. And for other guys, but mostly Jesus. Mostly.

It's just, sometimes the YMCA locker room makes things so hard...

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Saturday, December 21, 2013 8:05 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

There was also an ad for a church I saw in a newspaper, several years ago. There was a cartoon of a frail, elderly man, apparently on death's doorstep, lying in bed. In the next panel, a buff, burly male angel, ( think Kenny Powers, from East Bound and Down, with the perm mullet and all ) is grabbing the frail old man by the hand, and lifting him up into heaven. The final panel, the old man has passed, but his expression is of one who died calm and happy. His after-life self, youthful, vigorous and healthy, is side by side with his angel 'buddy'.

I do believe I was scarred for life.

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Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:55 PM