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Record cold doesn't disprove global warming
Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:59 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:In much of the northeastern quadrant of the United States, the past few days have seen the coldest weather in about 20 years. The Midwestern lows have been dangerously, frighteningly low. Near the coast, the weather is slightly less cold, but wilder. At 7 yesterday morning, the temperature outside here in New York City was 53 degrees Fahrenheit. This morning as I write, it's 4 degrees -- that's 49 degrees different. The numbers are indeed extreme. But in a larger sense, the current situation in the atmosphere is the norm -- just more so. Most of the United States lies in the midlatitudes. That means, between the tropics and the pole. We get our weather from both directions. Cold arctic air and hot tropical air can't easily mix together to make lukewarm air, because the earth's rotation deflects them sideways. The result is the jet stream, a very fast air current that blows from west to east at about the altitude (coincidentally) that jet planes fly, along the top of the boundary separating warm from cold. (Sometimes our Northern Hemisphere weather maps show two jet streams, one north of the other. The northern one makes a loop around the pole with the coldest air inside. This cold air mass with the jet around it is what is being called the "polar vortex" in recent media stories.) But the cold and warm air can't stay apart forever. The jet undulates, forming giant loops and eddies the size of one or more American states. These are high- and low-pressure systems. They stir the atmosphere around on a giant scale. They can move the air north or south fast enough that it brings some of the climate of the latitude from which it came. Warm moist air coming north ahead of low pressure swirls around cold air plunging south behind it. Where they meet at the ground, temperature contrasts sharpen yet further as cold and warm are squeezed together along fronts. These low temperatures, on the other hand, are normal for the Arctic Circle. What makes this event extreme is not that the cold air exists at all, just that it's roaming a little farther than usual. But there can be larger causes for gradual changes in the probabilities that certain types of events will occur. Global warming is one such larger cause. Of course, the cold snap which the current jet distortions have brought us doesn't contradict the fact of warming. It's the exception that proves the rule. This is the coldest weather in about 20 years. But it has happened before, and cold weather is happening less often overall. As stated in the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, daily minimum temperatures (as well as daily maximum temperatures) over land have increased since 1950. Globally, 2013 saw the warmest November in recorded history, and in recent times high-temperature records have been repeatedly broken much more often than low-temperature records. We do understand the basics. On average, the high temperatures are getting higher, and the lows are getting higher too. Global warming is as real and serious as ever, it's just exceedingly gradual compared with the dramatic temperature swings that are still part of living in midlatitudes in winter. http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/opinion/sobel-winter-cold-global-warming/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7
Quote:Adam Sobel, a professor at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory and Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, is an atmospheric scientist. He studies extreme events -- such as hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, droughts and heat waves -- and the risks these pose to human society.
Wednesday, January 8, 2014 3:23 PM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Of course, this guy is just a flunkey for The Left, obviously; his credentials mean nothing:Quote:Adam Sobel, a professor at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory and Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, is an atmospheric scientist. He studies extreme events -- such as hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, droughts and heat waves -- and the risks these pose to human society.
Wednesday, January 8, 2014 5:29 PM
WHOZIT
Wednesday, January 8, 2014 5:36 PM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Yes, it disproves global warming.
Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:48 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
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Thursday, January 9, 2014 7:19 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: By responding, you are " feeding " , but I'm not the troll here. Y'all are. And you know I'm right.
Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:43 PM
Friday, January 10, 2014 9:25 PM
CHRISISALL
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I know, and he's right, it's a form of feeding him...but it's so much more fun than by trying to actually COMMUNICATE (which is impossible anyway)...!
Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:23 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
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