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Originally posted by Geezer:
Hey, Rap.

Looks like someone's trolling on your thread.

Wanna post some stupid picture?


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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So hey geezer - what makes you think this is trolling? It's my actual response to rappy's posts. And yours.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Text book definition of a troll. Right here. Going out of ones way NOT to reply to topic, and instead adding meaningless animosity to thread.

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Then I mention Limbaugh is a blue pill addict - which he is.

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On top of that I QUOTE THEM BOTH.

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Of all the insults, BEING QUOTED has got to be the worst. Oh the horror of being quoted ...

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Text book definition of a troll. Right here. Going out of ones way NOT to reply to topic, and instead adding meaningless animosity to thread.

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"...you truly are 1 god damn stupid mother fucker."

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's clear ( unlike this stream in China ) that some on this board talk about saving the planet, but really don't give a damn, at all. It's 100% pure politics with them.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

UN Climate Chief Says Communism is Best Way to Fight Global Warming


Climate change has been a popular topic of conversation lately and it appears the United Nations is taking a stand on the environmental changes. The UN climate chief, Christiana Figueres, also apparently knows about how government systems affect the climate. Oh wait, no she doesn’t.

She stated earlier this week that democracy is a poor political system for fighting global warming. She also said that communist China is instead the best model.

Even though China is the world’s top emitter of carbon dioxide and struggles with major pollution issues of their own, apparently Ms. Figueres thinks that means they are “doing it right” when it comes to fighting global warming.

“Figueres added that the deep partisan divide in the U.S. Congress is “very detrimental” to passing any sort of legislation to fight global warming. The Chinese Communist Party, on the other hand, can push key policies and reforms all on its own. The country’s national legislature largely enforces the decisions made by the party’s Central Committee and other executive offices.”


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/heatherginsberg/2014/01/19/un-climate-chi
ef-says-communism-is-best-way-to-fight-global-warming-n1779973

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Originally posted by Geezer:

Point out that China already produces more carbon emissions then the U.S., and are on track to double their emissions in less than ten years,

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all you get from them is "But the U.S. should do something", ignoring that the U.S. carbon emissions are stable or decreasing.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Question, Geezer - do even you buy your bullshit?

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Originally posted by Geezer:

Point out that China already produces more carbon emissions then the U.S., and are on track to double their emissions in less than ten years,

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Yes, as you say at every opportunity... But:

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all you get from them is "But the U.S. should do something", ignoring that the U.S. carbon emissions are stable or decreasing.

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You say that "all" you get back, - please, show ONE instance where anyone here responded as such.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
China is seeking sources of natural gas to replace coal plants. (That will be thru Kyrgystan.) The central committee will require that the actual number of motor vehicles will decrease by a few million by 2015. They're building inter-regional ultra-high voltage DC lines (UHVDC) to carry power from areas of natural generation- wind and hydro- to areas of consumption. Their solar panel manufacturing far exceeds ours, as does their wind power.

In fact, this year China agreed to carbon targets by 2016. Overall, China is doing more than we are to reduce carbon emissions while maintaining 7-10% growth, instead of experiencing passive reduction through manufacturing collapse.

So stop obsessing about China. What about doing what WE can do... since our energy waste is so much higher. We can put more pressure on China if we're talking from an honest position, instead of our usual hypocrisy.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
On the bright side, I managed to avoid talking at length about the snowball earth events, which means everyone wins.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kpo - I added no quotes. I underlined for emphasis only.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Because the US put most of the carbon dioxide up there. So maybe we should solve the part of the problem we did cause.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/datablog/2009/sep/02/co2-emissi
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Originally posted by kpo:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kpo - I added no quotes. I underlined for emphasis only.

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Ok lol, it seems that 'quote' was quoting another right-wing article. You like your news twice-spun now do you Auraptor?

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I suppose you'll go and find out what this woman actually said now, huh Auraptor? Go and check that she actually said what you think she said?

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ETA: And all through the thread cited, we have folks making excuses for China, India, etc. while demanding that the U.S. should cut emissions by as much as 50%.

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Huh? You're being ridiculous. Nothing I posted was 'spun' Not once, not twice.

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Wrong. From the Bloomberg site itself...

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China, the top emitter of greenhouse gases, is also the country that’s “doing it right” when it comes to addressing global warming, the United Nations’ chief climate official said.

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The ISSUE is the UN 'Climate Chief ' stating the Communism is the way

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Huh? You're being ridiculous. Nothing I posted was 'spun' Not once, not twice.

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Your source was a conservative article that quoted another conservative article that quoted the bloomberg article. I find it funny that a particular news event has to go through two lots of right wing spin before it gets to you.

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What did she actually say? That China is 'doing it right' investing heavily in green techs? That it's one party system avoids the partisan gridlock seen in the US? Is any of this supposed to be controversial..?

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It doesn't. That's simply how the news came to me.

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I don't consider three words inserted in someone else's sentence to be a direct quote, do you?


Yes, I do. They were HER words.

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in fact, you're glorifying the totalitarian rule of 1 party over any and all opposition.

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Seriously, why are we still talking about this ?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Because the US put most of the carbon dioxide up there. So maybe we should solve the part of the problem we did cause.

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Also, to state the obvious, the US has much higher per-capita emissions than China, and much higher GDP per-capita. And it has refused to sign up to binding emissions targets in the past.

Put all of this together and you see that a climate deal hinges on the US FIRST, and China second. There is no way to expect China to sign up if the US doesn't.

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Just before the Kyoto Protocol was finalized, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed by a 95-0 vote the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98), which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States".

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Oh posh, you don't give conservatives enough credit. Conservatives both care about equality AND ignore real numbers just as often as liberals do.

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I could also note that the U.S. did not ratify the Kyoto Treaty precisely because it allowed China and India to get away with having no emissions goals set at all.

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I could also note that the U.S. did not ratify the Kyoto Treaty precisely because it allowed China and India to get away with having no emissions goals set at all.

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Not the case any more.

To answer the rest of your post Geezer, I'll just restate my argument:

1. A climate deal hinges on China signing up, for all the reasons you've said.
2. China signing up hinges on America signing up, for all the reasons I'VE said.

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Hence, US participation in a future climate treaty is key, and where it could all break down (given that it has snubbed treaties in the past, and one of its two main parties is rife with climate denialism). Do you support the US being a part of a global treaty (including your beloved China, and everyone else) with binding emissions targets?

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Also, as noted here

http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2008/03/china-to-exceed-planned-carbon-di
oxide-emissions/

and here

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/oct/06/china-carbon-emissi
on-forecasts-economy

China has a history of promising carbon reductions it can't meet.

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