AP Busts George Zimmerman For Copying Its Photo For His Painting by Niki2

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I was looking at that trying to find any art at all in it. But even his color sense seems to be pedestrian. So all I see when I look at it is a sleazebag attempt to huckster money out of people by copying someone else's work and adding random comments in an attempt to create faux political 'impact'. Really, the whole thing is a festering multi-layer baklava of snake oil.

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:13 AM

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a festering multi-layer baklava of snake oil.

I'd say that, of itself, is also an apt description of the persona in question, as well as the local officials which enable the bastard at every turn and corner.

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:08 AM

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Kiki, I assume that's all it IS in reality...a way to make money. Given his "painting teacher" also said, in the same article, of Zimmerman's first effort (derivative piece copied from clip art), "I was shocked it didn't sell for a million dollars," that kinda says it. Especially when you couple it with said art teacher's remark about "How's he ever going to make any money?" Not hard to imagine "painting teacher" is major mover behind both "efforts". I would guess maybe just "legal" ways for people to give George money…only not quite so "legal" in this instance.

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:34 AM

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Never heard of the AP going after anyone legally for something like this before.

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:39 PM

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REALLY?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=36764

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:46 PM

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Yes, really.

My comments, from nearly 5 years ago...

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The guy vandalized some property, as the charges read. How's he NOT suppose to be arrested ?

And what the heck does this have to do w/ the GOP ?

Oh, I see. It doesn't.

Zimmerman didn't illegally graffiti anything, did he ?

No ?

Swing, miss. Again.

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:55 PM

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Where does it say he vandalized anything. Just b/c you posted a stupid post doesn't prove anything.

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 1:57 PM

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Where does it say he vandalized anything. Just b/c you posted a stupid post doesn't prove anything.

It was YOUR example !! ROFLMAO!!

BOSTON — The artist who created the "Hope" poster of President Obama was sentenced to two years' probation Friday after pleading guilty to three vandalism charges. Prosecutors dropped 11 other charges.
Shepard Fairey pleaded guilty in Boston Municipal Court to one charge of defacing property and two charges of wanton destruction of property under $250, all misdemeanors.

The 39-year-old Los Angeles street artist must pay $2,000 to a graffiti removal organization and cannot possess tagging materials — such as stickers or paste — in Boston except for authorized art installations. He also must tell officials when he plans to visit Suffolk County, where Boston is locate

I have no idea why the LA artist , arrested in Boston, was the subject of ire by the OP from 5 years ago, who tried to blame Gov Schwarzenegger for his legal troubles. Again, it had ZERO to do w/the GOP, but hey, it makes for a better thread. ( screw the facts )

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:11 PM

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Kiki, I don't think it's clear what the thread you posted is remarking on...I'm not sure what Rap thinks it was about, but this was the story:

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The Barack Obama "Hope" poster is an image of Barack Obama designed by artist Shepard Fairey, which was widely described as iconic and came to represent the 2008 Obama presidential campaign.

On February 4, 2009, the Associated Press announced that it determined "that the photograph used in the poster is an AP photo and that its use required permission."

On October 16, 2009, Fairey admitted that he had based the poster on the AP photograph and had fabricated and destroyed evidence to hide the fact. Excerpts from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_%22Hope%22_poster

The point is that it was an example of the AP suing someone over copyright infringement, in response to Rap's statement: "Never heard of the AP going after anyone legally for something like this before."

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:22 PM

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It's remarking on the fact that little rappy knew there was an artist who'd got in trouble with the 'AP mafia' over his poster. As opposed to his claims he knew nothing.

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:27 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

The point is that it was an example of the AP suing someone over copyright infringement, in response to Rap's statement: "Never heard of the AP going after anyone legally for something like this before."

Actually, you've got it wrong. Again.

I had not heard of the AP going after anyone, though I don't doubt that it's been done. Just not something so widely reported.

Also, about the AP going after the artist, HE actually sued THEM ( in US District Court, in NY ) , claiming the Fair Use doctrine. One small problem. The photo he USED was in fact a copy written pic by the AP, and NOT another photo, taken at the same event, as the artist claimed.

The guy lied, tried to cover it up, and then got caught.

No wonder he's a hero of the Left.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billsinger/2012/09/07/obama-hope-and-progr
ess-photo-ends-with-artists-criminal-plea/

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:29 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
It's remarking on the fact that little rappy knew there was an artist who'd got in trouble with the 'AP mafia' over his poster. As opposed to his claims he knew nothing.

I didn't. It's 'remarking' that you think I did.

From the thread of FIVE YEARS AGO , you'll note that i didn't make any comment about the AP going after the artist, but instead commented on the guys tagging ( vandalism ) issue.

The thread you brought up was so misleading and distorted the facts so, I guess I had forgotten all about it.( The AP case was tried in NYC, the tagging case in Boston. Neither had 1 gorram thing to do w/ Arnold or the GOP )

And it was 5 YEARS ago, and I only commented on it ONCE.

Now, be a dear and just admit that you were wrong.

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:21 PM

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Just for clarification: "Actually, you've got it wrong. Again. I had not heard of the AP going after anyone"--I didn't say you had. I posted the story because it was an EXAMPLE of "the AP going after" someone--and they did go after him first, simple as that. I couldn't figure out what all you were writing about and was attempting to clarify that I THOUGHT that's what the thread Kiki put up was about.

As far as I know, nobody has ever considered this guy any kind of "hero", and the only thing I have to do with any of this was an effort (since I had seen it mentioned in the story I originally posted) to show an example of the AP going after someone for copyright infringement. Period.

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:35 PM

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Just for clarification: "Actually, you've got it wrong. Again. I had not heard of the AP going after anyone"--I didn't say you had. I posted the story because it was an EXAMPLE of "the AP going after" someone--and they did go after him first, simple as that. I couldn't figure out what all you were writing about and was attempting to clarify that I THOUGHT that's what the thread Kiki put up was about.

To be fair and accurate, 1kik got it wrong. How's that ?

I think all can agree that the reason for a copy write in the first place is to keep from others using using the property with out permission. But because it was Zimmerman who did it, he gets more attention, I suspect, than had Joe Nobody from Denver or Kalamazoo done similar.

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:41 PM

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Never heard of the AP going after anyone legally for something like this before.

Maybe you better start learning English.

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Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Never heard of the AP going after anyone legally for something like this before.

Maybe you better start learning English.

One of the worst apologies I've seen - ever.

Want to try again ?

And seriously woman, no GUY remembers shit like that. 5 years ago, about some nobody that no one even remembers ? Really?

You really do need more off line activities.

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Sunday, January 26, 2014 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Where does it say he vandalized anything. Just b/c you posted a stupid post doesn't prove anything.

Still waiting for your apology, 1kiki.

You were wrong.

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Sunday, January 26, 2014 12:46 PM

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Sunday, January 26, 2014 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Where does it say he vandalized anything. Just b/c you posted a stupid post doesn't prove anything.

BOSTON — The artist who created the "Hope" poster of President Obama was sentenced to two years' probation Friday after pleading guilty to three vandalism charges. Prosecutors dropped 11 other charges.

Shepard Fairey pleaded guilty in Boston Municipal Court to one charge of defacing property and two charges of wanton destruction of property under $250, all misdemeanors.

The 39-year-old Los Angeles street artist must pay $2,000 to a graffiti removal organization and cannot possess tagging materials — such as stickers or paste — in Boston except for authorized art installations. He also must tell officials when he plans to visit Suffolk County, where Boston is locate

Still no apology from 1kik , or admission of being wrong.

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Sunday, January 26, 2014 3:53 PM

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Meanwhile, back on the ACTUAL SUBJECT OF THE THREAD:

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Watch out, George W. Bush. Another man has joined the former president atop the list of America’s most beguiling painters: George Zimmerman. Art world watchers are not amused.

On Wednesday, the Florida man who was found not guilty of second-degree murder in the Trayvon Martin case, shared his newest work of art with the world when his brother Robert Zimmerman, Jr., tweeted a photo of “Angie,” a red and orange illustration of the special prosecutor involved in his case, Florida State Attorney Angela Corey.

“It’s very primitive,” said Jason Edward Kaufman, a contributing editor at Art+Auction, about Zimmerman’s work, “the sort of thing an art critic wouldn’t look at twice.”

While the American flag painting may look like a military ad or a patriotic poster, “Angie” looks like a “bloodbath,” Kaufman said.

“They’re just kind of so appalling that you hate to make comparisons,” said Andrew Russeth, art critic for the New York Observer, when asked to place Zimmerman’s painting in the context of a particular artistic movement. “It looks like someone is doing paint by number.”

Russeth panned the paintings as “a desperate cry for attention.”

“People like George Zimmerman and George W. Bush who don’t seem to be able to make their cases in other ways kind of see art as a field in which they can redeem themselves,” he added.

Christian Viveros-Faune, art critic for the Village Voice, said Zimmerman’s work fits alongside other “murderabilia,” comparing his work to paintings by serial killer John Wayne Gacy and cult leader Charles Manson.

“Just because you get pigment and a canvas or a piece of cloth and you dirty it up doesn’t make it a work of art,” said Viveros-Faune. http://newsfeed.time.com/2014/01/24/george-zimmermans-paintings-a-crit
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Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:00 PM

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"Russeth panned the paintings as “a desperate cry for attention.”"

And to remake his public image into one of a 'political hero'. And to get money. Can't forget the money.

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Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:12 PM

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“People like George Zimmerman and George W. Bush who don’t seem to be able to make their cases in other ways kind of see art as a field in which they can redeem themselves,” he added.

That's a hell of a stretch. Comparing Zimmerman to Bush ? Was John Wayne Gacy too obscure a reference for this dickhead ?

" People like... " . Yes. THOSE people. We know. The great unwashed. The degenerates and undesirables, huh ? What a fucking moron.

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Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:17 PM

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Yup, that's pretty much it, Kiki...Zimmerman has already done how many things to get into the public eye? From visiting a gun factory to rushing to a car crash to his paintings. This is a very sad person who just can't bear to retreat into the quite of a "normal" life, apparently.

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Sunday, January 26, 2014 5:22 PM

Okay, let's be fair. It's easy to criticize. It's hard to create. I haven't cared one way or another about Zimmerman since his trial, provided he doesn't kill anyone else. Frankly, if he wants to work out his political beliefs and feelings through the medium of art and then use his notoriety to sell that art, GO FOR IT, it's better than him having fights with his wife/girlfriend.

I am known, from time to time, to do vaguely anime-esque Firefly comics. And most of the time when I'm sketching out the basic composition, even though I do have some sense of perspective and anatomy, I'm not very confident so I'll probably be going onto google to find a picture with a pose I like to use as a basis that I'll modify the hell out of. This is pretty common among artists. So while I understand AP's cease and desist, that George Zimmerman paints from photographs is not technically a problem with his art.

Another positive is that you can compare Zimmerman's painting to the photograph and tell who the lady is supposed to be. In order for something to not violate copyrights, it has to be at least 1/3 different from the original picture. I am not entirely sure if changing the color scheme counts, but I do know that for Warhol's famous Marilyn Monroe series, there is only a minor degree of controversy about whether it was art or if it was just copying.

Based on the color gradients here, I can tell that Zimmerman actually did start this completely from scratch, so that's something. He also used an interesting technique for the background, although the interesting texture is somewhat negated by it looking a little bit like ketchup smeared on the canvas. His technique painting the woman, however, is poor, even I colour better than that, and I'll be the first to admit that colouring is not my artistic strong point. Paint by number is an apt description. If we compare it to the Obama Change Poster, which I believe is the style this was trying for, we can see a much more nuanced colouring and shading technique.

Then we can also question what the point was in painting the lady in red and yellow, which to be fair to Zimmerman, coupled with the message in the top right, I'm sure he did that to impart a sense of danger and alarm. The colour choices are actually appealing, I've seen people do Firefly art nouveau in colours like these. But the message in the top right is very ham-fisted, which gives the painting and meaning of the painting a sort of childish and unimpressive quality. This is professional art he's trying for, not internet captions.

He's better than a number of amateur pop-artists out there right now, but people paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for one of his paintings is a result of the novelty and his infamy as opposed to his skill. I'm not saying he couldn't get there, he actually has some groundwork and some established basics that he's demonstrating here, but I would suggest moving away from the overt messages and letting his art speak for itself.

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Sunday, January 26, 2014 5:41 PM

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"I can tell that Zimmerman actually did start this completely from scratch, so that's something."

I'm not going to take the time, but I suspect if you did an overlay you'd find not one pixel of difference in position. AFAIK it's just a bad - and allegedly illegal - copy that he's trying to sell as his own work.

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Sunday, January 26, 2014 6:06 PM

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I'm not going to take the time, but I suspect if you did an overlay you'd find not one pixel of difference in position.

I don't have to do an overlay to see that it is definitely not a pixel by pixel copy. Things don't match up on his compared to the original even just talking in terms of position, though it's pretty close, and since he WAS technically working from this photograph that's to be expected. You'll notice that part of the picture on the left side is cropped out, which is a strong indication that he didn't perfectly copy the picture, but was translating it onto canvas. Fidelity is also lost in her face, her hair, and around her eyes.

In terms of pixel color it definitely doesn't match up, both since Zimmerman's uses an entirely different colour scheme, and because he used an extremely simplified shading technique relative to the natural gradient of the original photograph.

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AFAIK it's just a bad - and allegedly illegal - copy that he's trying to sell as his own work.

That's for the courts - I myself can't say for sure if this is different enough, in terms of one third different.

But it also shouldn't be just dismissed on the basis that it used some very common artistic techniques for the composition.

Here is an example of a GOOD pixel by pixel photoshop. http://www.iceflowstudios.com/2013/inspiration/morgan-freeman-drawn-ip
ad-kyle-lambert/

Which is itself not illegal, and not bad, and which was done as a publicity stunt for a business (as such done for money).

And then again, there's Warhol's print series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Diptych

Whether it's still art is up for debate, I grant you. But merely working from a photograph doesn't compromise whatever artistic integrity there might be.

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Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:18 PM

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Here is an example of a GOOD pixel by pixel photoshop. http://www.iceflowstudios.com/2013/inspiration/morgan-freeman-drawn-ip
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That's not art, that's WITCHERY !

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Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:32 PM

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Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:33 PM

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Byte

Here is an example of a GOOD pixel by pixel photoshop. http://www.iceflowstudios.com/2013/inspiration/morgan-freeman-drawn-ip
ad-kyle-lambert/

I myself have done many pixel by pixel e-paintings. I didn't copy any photos to do them however.

Also, there's a certain amount of artistic 'fair use' allowed under the law. But creating a commercial product for sale out of copy-righted work probably doesn't count.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 2:44 AM

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Is it "Here, Here" or "Hear, Hear"

Either way, good point Frem!

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Monday, January 27, 2014 10:41 AM

You didn't use any reference material at all?

Okay. I'm impressed.

Also, I have a rather loose interpretation of the concept of copyrights. After all, some of the best work in history was partially stolen from someone else, and no one learns art except through copying other people.

Honestly, whenever some rich jerk pays half a million bucks for wine or a painting and it turns out it was made by a skilled forger, I just laugh.

So, like I said, it's for the courts. You're probably right in that the AP will likely win. But I don't use that as a measure of whether something is a valid effort, not anymore than I consider street art not "art" because vandalism is a crime.

George Zimmerman's painting is not a good painting. But I can't hold it against him that he worked from a photograph. The photograph being copyrighted was probably an honest mistake, and even if it weren't... It's a photograph of a public figure from the AP, someone somewhere is going to use that regardless of copyrights and it just happened to be Zimmerman.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 12:42 PM

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I've done oils as well. The one medium I seem to not be able to master is any water-based painting, either watercolor or tempera or acrylic. There's just too much flooding with mixing and paper-buckling going on for me to reliably get the results I want. There's probably a trick to it that I would learn if I actually studied it (instead of just diving in and going by gut feelings), but ... I haven't got there yet.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 12:59 PM

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The one medium I seem to not be able to master is any water-based painting, either watercolor or tempera or acrylic.

I've done acrylic, oil, and watercolour. I don't think I've done tempera since I was in second grade though.

Acrylics you have to put a primer on the canvas first, then it'll go pretty well.

The trick with water colours is partially using the right kind of paper and taping it down before you start to minimize the buckling. At some point if the paper is thick enough (there's some kinds of waterpainting "paper" that are actually more like cardstock) you could submerge that thing in water and it's not going to buckle. But thinner water colour paper you have to kinda get a sense for how much water the paper can take and then let it dry when you reach that limit.

That also lets you control your colours so they don't all bled together, or you can use masking fluid.

But watercolours can be a pain I'll admit, and they can be intimidating. Most of the time I end up using pens, markers, and coloured pencils, owing to the anime and comic book training background I've had in colouring. Sometimes I'll put a watercolour wash over coloured pencils though if I want a night or sunset scene, that works pretty well.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 1:01 PM

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Oh! Nice info! I thank you very much!

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Monday, January 27, 2014 1:08 PM

In fact, something that can help when you're doing a watercolour on a kind of paper you haven't tried is to have a test page to mess around with first.

For me it has the added benefit of building my confidence before I start on the real painting.

It's also rare that for a watercolour painting that you need to wet down the entire paper. Most of the time I see that for background or sky when someone wants a strongly blended effect and they don't need too many details. The rest of the time you're probably good using a wet brush on dry paper, that's how you get the details in.

Also it's wise to start light and work dark, because if you block things in with light colours first, you can sponge that up easier if you make a mistake or it bleeds too much. As you get darker later on, that'll be when you're putting in details and using the dry paper technique so you have more control. You might still mess up, but since it's detail work it'll hopefully be small and easy to cover up.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 1:24 PM

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REALLY?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=36764

You can't expect a troll to have a memory.

Like, 5 years is sooooo long ago, who could remember anything from way back then...

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, January 27, 2014 1:28 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Acrylics you have to put a primer on the canvas first, then it'll go pretty well.

That's oils. Acrylics will work on almost any surface (that's why they were invented).

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Monday, January 27, 2014 1:30 PM

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"I can tell that Zimmerman actually did start this completely from scratch, so that's something."

I'm not going to take the time, but I suspect if you did an overlay you'd find not one pixel of difference in position. AFAIK it's just a bad - and allegedly illegal - copy that he's trying to sell as his own work.

I was just wondering if he'd just printed out the image and applied color paint-by-numbers style.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 1:38 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

That's also possible.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 1:54 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Acrylics you have to put a primer on the canvas first, then it'll go pretty well.

That's oils. Acrylics will work on almost any surface (that's why they were invented).

I actually had to put primer on for acrylics in my painting classes, and didn't put a primer on for oil paints (EDIT: might be wrong on this last point, see edit).

You also have to put primer on your walls if you're painting them with acrylics.

It depends on the surface, your style, and if it's already been treated.

Also, sometimes you just want a different base colour on the canvas than white, so that there's less contrast as you start painting and primer will do that for you. Also sometimes depending on the paints you use, the colourful base coat will show through and that may be something you want.

EDIT: (Actually hmm I think I did use acrylic paint for a primer for my oil paintings now that I think about it. This was probably a good ten years ago.)

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Monday, January 27, 2014 3:30 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Some canvas boards come pre-primed. I always just used to do a light wash of titanium white w/ turpentine and linseed oil and let it dry - just to create a non-'thirsty' surface.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 3:44 PM

I think at one point I did actually start just painting directly on canvas by mixing enough turpentine and oil paint together, which kind of defeated the whole point of using oils oh well.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 3:50 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I think at one point I did actually start just painting directly on canvas by mixing enough turpentine and oil paint together, which kind of defeated the whole point of using oils oh well.

Its physically possible to paint with oils without priming first - it just won't last. Without the primer, the actual oil leaches through the material, then evaporates, leaving the pigment with no binder, and it will flake off.

(Not addressing technique, style, preferred surface, etc, as that will vary from person to person - just addressing the mechanics)

Acrylic will spread more smoothly over a primed surface, so is easier to work with - but its not required, and can be applied to just about anything (it was created to be used on masonry).

BTW, I majored in painting/illustration for 3 years. I love the versatility of oils, but don't have the patience for them all the time. I eventually settled into a hybrid approach, using acrylics for my base layers, and finishing in oil.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 3:54 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The more I read, the more I learn. I appreciate the posts. THANKS to you both.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 4:19 PM

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BTW, I majored in painting/illustration for 3 years.

I didn't major in anything art related, I just took art classes every year from junior high through college. So, lot of drawing, painting, pottery, and a class on airbrushes.

I still have the one where I just used turpentine and oil paints to paint it, I'm not really sure what the mechanics and chemistry of that are. Maybe that particular canvas had already been treated when I bought it, not sure. Or something about the proportions of how much solvent I mixed with how much oil?

Mostly I figure it's a monument to me being really lazy and doing whatever the heck I felt like, it was kind of an uncreative shitty purple dragon and the moon so clearly I was just screwing around. And possibly high on the fumes.

The acrylics then finishing in oils sounds like a good approach.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 5:32 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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BTW, I majored in painting/illustration for 3 years.

I didn't major in anything art related, I just took art classes every year from junior high through college. So, lot of drawing, painting, pottery, and a class on airbrushes.

Hey, we do have something (other than Firefly) in common! ;) I haven't done much outside of occasional drawing in years, but its still a lot of fun.

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Maybe that particular canvas had already been treated when I bought it, not sure.

If you bought it pre-stretched, then yeah, almost certainly. And it wasn't pre-stretched, there's still a good chance it was, depending on where you got it.

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Monday, January 27, 2014 5:55 PM