This cartyoon tells it all. by chrisisall

America loves a winner!

daily kos <-- what's wrong w/ America

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, February 7, 2014 5:53 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Good cartyoon!

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Friday, February 7, 2014 5:58 PM

WHOZIT

Stop reading The Daily Kos, it's commie bullshit...like what NIKI2 posts...unless YOU'RE a commie?

And stop drunk typing, no drinking until after 5. You won't screw up anymore titles.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 6:06 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Stop calling innocent bystanders 'commies', you fascist pig, you!

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Friday, February 7, 2014 6:18 PM

Man, the nordic countries aren't that great. Everywhere has problems. Everywhere. Anyone trying to sell you utopia is literally sellin' NOTHIN'.

http://www.alternet.org/world/grim-truth-behind-scandinavian-miracle?p
aging=off¤t_page=1

And whether it's idols or ideologies, I will take the piss outta any sacred cow I ever come across.

(Heh, pretty funny, Frem only just sent me that article in the last week)

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Friday, February 7, 2014 6:28 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Stop calling innocent bystanders 'commies', you fascist pig, you!

Actually, fascists tend to be on the Left, and not so much on the Right of the political spectrum.

But Margaret Thatcher was 100% right about socialists. Eventually, they run out of other people's money.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, February 7, 2014 6:40 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, fascists tend to be on the Left, and not so much on the Right of the political spectrum.

ENNNNH. Wrong answer Hans.
Your devotion to Rush Revere has addled you some.
Anyone can devolve into fascism regardless of their political affiliation.
Fascists can even deregulate an economic system so it collapses to make the rich even richer, or shut down a government purely for fun...

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Friday, February 7, 2014 6:44 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Man, the nordic countries aren't that great. Everywhere has problems. Everywhere. Anyone trying to sell you utopia is literally sellin' NOTHIN'.

Kneejerk crap Byte.
We aren't lookin' for utopia here, we're looking for what WORKS. It's a buffet table of possible solutions to problems out there, but saying that NO ONE has ALL the answers is deciding to just go hungry instead.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 6:47 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, fascists tend to be on the Left, and not so much on the Right of the political spectrum.
ENNNNH. Wrong answer Hans.
Your devotion to Rush Revere has addled you some.
Anyone can devolve into fascism regardless of their political affiliation.
Fascists can even deregulate an economic system so it collapses to make the rich even richer, or shut down a government purely for fun...

Um, wrong-o. Fascists OVER regulate the economic system, if anything. The rich ? Please. And Obama shut down the govt, but it wasn't purely for fun. He simply hates those who can do for themselves.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, February 7, 2014 7:39 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And Obama shut down the govt

Fuck you, you idiot.
I'm not fond of him, but putting stuff on him that he didn't do is cowardly stupidity- something you possess & demonstrate on a regular basis. Think for your own self, dumass. Stop repeating what you're told. Try to understand the grand scheme. There isn't a 'good' side & a 'bad' side here. It's all about power & profit. Everyone at the top prays to the allmighty Dollar.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 7:48 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And Obama shut down the govt
Fuck you, you idiot.

No. Sorry you can't handle the truth, but I'm gonna say it anyways. There is no Allah, there is no God, and Obama DID shut down the govt.

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I'm not fond of him, but putting stuff on him that he didn't do is cowardly stupidity- something you possess & demonstrate on a regular basis. Think for your own self, dumass. Stop repeating what you're told. Try to understand the grand scheme. There isn't a 'good' side & a 'bad' side here. It's all about power & profit. Everyone at the top prays to the allmighty Dollar.

He did it. Get over it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, February 7, 2014 7:59 PM

ELVISCHRIST

Fascism is a hard-right ideology.

Ted Cruz engineered the government shutdown and was proud of it until it proved unpopular.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 8:08 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

Fascism is a hard-right ideology.

Which is almost exclusively used by Leftists the world over.

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Ted Cruz engineered the government shutdown and was proud of it until it proved unpopular.

1 man did all that ? In a body of govt controlled by the opposition party ?

Now THAT is real power !

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, February 7, 2014 8:10 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No. Sorry you can't handle

No dumass, what I can't handle is people like YOU who profess to KNOW the 'truth'. Bush did some good things. Obama is doing some good things.
They both ultimately suck because the JOB requires it.
But YOU need to have heroes & villains in your small little world view.
You need to have They Live forced on you Clockwork Orange-style.
Moron.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 8:16 PM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
Fascism is a hard-right ideology.

I would say once again that hard Right & hard Left meet at Fascism. IMNSHO.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 8:16 PM

America loves a winner!

.. the TRUTH.

Some can't handle it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, February 7, 2014 8:21 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
.. the TRUTH.

Some can't handle it.

Some day you'll become bold enough to, I conjure. I sense the good in you- the conflict. If I didn't you couldn't elicit such rage from me.
You idiot.

Echo One to base, troll has been fed, over.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 8:35 PM

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Kneejerk crap Byte.

Meh. Maybe. But looking for other people to give you answers gives them a sort of undue control over you.

And I really do think there are pros and cons to everything, and every policy. So I'm more than a little wary when the answer to a problem seems to be "just copy those guys." It's gotta be more complicated than that.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 8:53 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
And I really do think there are pros and cons to everything, and every policy. So I'm more than a little wary when the answer to a problem seems to be "just copy those guys." It's gotta be more complicated than that.

Far more. It takes a creative mind to combine elements that work into an overall WHOLE that works.
Uncreative minds (see: Rappy) just dismiss solutions at will based on the 'Them' judgement.

Bruce Lee didn't dismiss western boxing because it didn't fit into his eastern martial traditional training.

If something works, USE IT. Figure OUT how to incorporate it successfully into your present 'system'.

Just sayin'.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 9:11 PM

if anything, the fact that your cartoon shows that Nordic countries keep their students from going into debt for high education, but they end up in massive debt afterwards anyways, suggests that there is still some pretty dangerous economic exploitation going on over there. And that this economic exploitation is everywhere, and evidence of some kind of global corruption.

I don't disagree about the basic concept of debt-free education though.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 9:17 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

This cartoon is not without merit - "The Adventures of Business Cat":

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 9:20 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Meh. Maybe. But looking for other people to give you answers gives them a sort of undue control over you.

And I really do think there are pros and cons to everything, and every policy. So I'm more than a little wary when the answer to a problem seems to be "just copy those guys." It's gotta be more complicated than that.

Denying that anyone else might do it better is also a sign of hubris, and something that I have noted is somewhat characteristic of the American psyche. If you believe in American exceptionalism, then you believe that America is the greatest, Americans are naturally better, and if it werent thought up by Americans then it aint worth doing.

I think in someways the econmic downturn is a necessary, albeit painful experience for America as a nation. A shock for some, that maybe Americas standing at the top of the world wasn't a natural state of being, but something that needs some hard re-evaluating if you want to get back up ther, if indeed that's what you want.

It doesn't hurt to look at what works elsewhere, otherwise you're in danger of putting effort into reiventing the wheel when someone else did that 10,000 years ago. I think the biggest example is your healthcare system. I mean, honestly, did ANYONE at least look at what works and what doesn't work in public health systems elsewhere?

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Friday, February 7, 2014 9:36 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

It's not just the economic downturn, I think it's the emerging challenge of China, and the prospect of losing the position as greatest power in the world, that the American psyche has to come to terms with.

Britain's been through it all, of course. We were exceptional. We dominated 1/4 of the globe. We were the Empire on which the sun never set. We were the 'New Jerusalem'. Then our star faded - or rather, others grew, and eclipsed ours.

America has to manage its transition from global hegemon to 'upper-mid sized power that punches above its weight'. Let's hope that the order rearranges more peacefully this century than it did in the last.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 9:41 PM

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If you believe in American exceptionalism, then you believe that America is the greatest, Americans are naturally better, and if it werent thought up by Americans then it aint worth doing.

Oh bullshit. You think I think Americans do ANY FUCKING THING WELL?

Americans AREN'T exceptional, and you damn well know I think that! My objection to just copying other people has nothing to do with that, but first a natural healthy distrust that solutions inherently translate well across different cultures, and secondly there's the fact that I know that OUR people who are in charge will DELIBERATELY SCREW IT UP IF WE EVEN TRY.

If we change anything we have to give their asses the boot FIRST! Because they'll corrupt any effort we make at making anything better! BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING PARASITES!

Perfect example: THE HEALTHCARE THING. Yes, we DID look at other nations. Guess what happened. GUESS.

I say no one does ANYTHING well because the entire HUMAN RACE IS INCOMPETENT
and EVERYONE'S LEADERS ARE CORRUPT and no where is any good and everywhere is terrible and suddenly it's AMERICAN HUBRIS. NO! I'm a CYNIC! AND A REALIST!

But oh yes, by all means STRAWMAN me into an AMERICAN IMPERIALIST who thinks WE'RE NUMBER ONE again! It's basically how you say hello to me nowadays!

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Friday, February 7, 2014 9:58 PM

Chill Byte, you take things too personally here.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 10:22 PM

EVERY TIME!

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Friday, February 7, 2014 10:43 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Chill Byte, you take things too personally here.

Says the man who responds to disagreement with "Kneejerk crap Byte."

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, February 7, 2014 10:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The cartoon isn't cartoonish enough. It has too many facts. It's too thoughtful. It doesn't trade in extreme stereotypes and cheap jabs.

Other than that, I have no objections.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 11:15 PM

America loves a winner!

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Denying that anyone else might do it better is also a sign of hubris, and something that I have noted is somewhat characteristic of the American psyche. If you believe in American exceptionalism, then you believe that America is the greatest, Americans are naturally better, and if it werent thought up by Americans then it aint worth doing.

Naturally? Hardly. Americans are the mutts of the world. We're late to the game, for being a major power. But there is ( or was ) an attitude that if we work hard enough, and thoughtfully use our brains and our freedom, we can achieve what ever we want.

Anyone else set foot on the moon yet ?

Or save the world from uppity NAZIS ? No, we didn't do it alone, but we made the job a hell of a lot easier for all those who we fought along side.

I'll stop now, before I really start monologuing.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, February 7, 2014 11:31 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Or save the world from uppity NAZIS ?

That was Russia.

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Friday, February 7, 2014 11:39 PM

What the Cartyoon says.

What Kiki said, "It doesn't trade in extreme stereotypes
and cheap jabs."

What Chris says: "We aren't lookin' for Utopia here, we're
looking for what WORKS. It's a buffet table of possible
solutions to problems out there, but saying that NO ONE has
ALL the answers is deciding to just go hungry instead."

My country hasn't been in this much trouble since the Great
Depression, & maybe not then. We need to turn back to ways
that work & proven values. Honesty, mutual Respect + a large
helping of Humility. Open mind, a thirst to Learn.
Speakin' of the 1930s, policies of pessimism & negativity
were Not what got us thru that.

====================== :>
The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. ~George Orwell

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:28 AM

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We need to turn back to ways
that work & proven values.

What makes you think the things that worked in the past will work again? The past is what GOT us here.

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Honesty, mutual Respect + a large
helping of Humility. Open mind, a thirst to Learn.

Well thank you for eloquently pointing out all the things I'm lacking in. Unfortunately I also know they will not help me. I've been burned too many times.

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Speakin' of the 1930s, policies of pessimism & negativity
were Not what got us thru that.

Other nations getting the shit bombed out of them got us out of that. Sounds pretty negative to me, and actually a solution I'd rather like to avoid.

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:50 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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If you believe in American exceptionalism, then you believe that America is the greatest, Americans are naturally better, and if it werent thought up by Americans then it aint worth doing.

Oh bullshit. You think I think Americans do ANY FUCKING THING WELL?

Take a chill pill, young Byte. Take it that I meant 'if one believes' rather than YOU. Gosh darn, isn't English language tricksy.

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My objection to just copying other people has nothing to do with that, but first a natural healthy distrust that solutions inherently translate well across different cultures, and secondly there's the fact that I know that OUR people who are in charge will DELIBERATELY SCREW IT UP IF WE EVEN TRY.

Firstly there isn't that huge a cultural divide, really in the grand scheme of things. I guess rather than copying, perhaps just examining what works elsewhere and why it works rather than clinging to ideas that may have served well in the past.

Being a small country, that is something I think we do often. Look at what others have done. Might that work for us? Could we adapt that to our system? If anything, we do it too much.

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If we change anything we have to give their asses the boot FIRST! Because they'll corrupt any effort we make at making anything better! BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING PARASITES!

You lost me here, are you talking about the Norwegians?

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Perfect example: THE HEALTHCARE THING. Yes, we DID look at other nations. Guess what happened. GUESS.

You chose a system that was kind of a bastard child with ADHD of what you already had. Not a sign that significant thought was given to how public health systems work elsewhere and the good and bad qualities of those systems.

You know how many times I had this conversation with Americans.

Yank - A socialised health system can never work, never. No way. It's impossible.
Aussie - You do realise that all other western countries have a public health system, don't you.
Yank - it can never work in the US. Never. Ever.
Aussie - why is that? What is so different about the US.
Yank - because we're unique, baby. Utterly unique.

etc etc.

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I say no one does ANYTHING well because the entire HUMAN RACE IS INCOMPETENT and EVERYONE'S LEADERS ARE CORRUPT and no where is any good and everywhere is terrible and suddenly it's AMERICAN HUBRIS. NO! I'm a CYNIC! AND A REALIST!

More like a nihilist. But anyway... i dunno. I marvel mostly how well things actually work. I'm still astonished that i can flick a switch and get power, and I can hold conversations with people on the otherside of the world, and that I turn on a tap and get clean water, as much as I like and someone comes every friday morning and takes all my rubbish away. Yeah our leaders suck, mostly. But on election day, I don't need armed guards to escort me to the booth and yes, politicans are accountable and scrutinised. Maybe not enough, but some.

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Naturally? Hardly. Americans are the mutts of the world. We're late to the game, for being a major power. But there is ( or was ) an attitude that if we work hard enough, and thoughtfully use our brains and our freedom, we can achieve what ever we want.

Anyone else set foot on the moon yet ?

Or save the world from uppity NAZIS ? No, we didn't do it alone, but we made the job a hell of a lot easier for all those who we fought along side.

^ hubris

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:30 AM

Quote me: Speakin' of the 1930s, policies of pessimism &
negativity were Not what got us thru that.

Quote Bytemite: "Other nations getting the shit bombed out of them got
us out of that. Sounds pretty negative to me, and actually a solution
I'd rather like to avoid."

Sep-Oct 1939, the German Luftwaffe bombed a number of
strategic targets in Poland.
Apr 1940, German invasion of Denmark & Normay, etc.
List goes on til Sep 1940, Battle of Britain; Germany
bombed the shit out of London, etc. We didn't show up.

In the 1930's, the USA was officially isolationist and Not
bombing the shit out of any country.

But I'm sure you knew that.

A thirst to Learn from history rather than repeat it.

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:34 AM

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Take a chill pill, young Byte. Take it that I meant 'if one believes' rather than YOU.

Oh yeah right, like that wasn't directed at me. EVERYONE KNOWS WHO YOU WERE TALKING TO. The word "YOU" was used SEVERAL TIMES ACTUALLY, and from the context it was CLEAR who "YOU" WAS!

This is called GASLIGHTING and I'm tired of it. If you say something own up to it, don't pretend like you didn't say it or that we didn't understand you - we are smarter than you think we are and it is offensive that you think we're THIS dumb.

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You lost me here, are you talking about the Norwegians?

Simply, no.

More simply, I was pretty clear what I was talking about.

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You chose a system that was kind of a bastard child with ADHD of what you already had.

We chose NOTHING!

We're fucking voter peons who amount to LESS THAN SAND IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS!

The original proposals for healthcare included a single payer system, but it was COMPROMISED TO DEATH by our treacherous REPRESENTATIVES.

But no, instead of recognizing how little any of us nobodies in America could influence jack all I get to hear LOL HURR HURR lookit these MURICANS can't get them Halthker! As though it's OUR fault! As though it's because we're too ARROGANT to find our OWN HEADS IN OUR ASSES instead of very real problems inherent in the system!

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More like a nihilist.

NO, REALLY? I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT OF MY PHILOSOPHICAL MAKEUP.

All I say is "hey, I think it's a lot more complicated than just us somehow copying Norway" and then I say that "everywhere has problems" - which is demonstrably PROVABLE - and I get a ration of this for telling the one hundred percent effin TRUTH.

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:39 AM

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In the 1930's, the USA was officially isolationist and Not
bombing the shit out of any country.

But I'm sure you knew that.

Because you have to be DIRECTLY bombing people to get any BENEFIT out of it. Germany trashing their own economy and then everyone around them and the costs of reconstruction had nothing to do with the American dollar ending up the only stable currency left standing.

You know exactly what I meant. Before the war in the 1930s there were many different social programs put into place, and no one on this board will ever agree exactly how effective or ineffective those policies were. We would also no doubt argue about how the economic and social climate of today is very different from then and whether those programs could be successful now. But what we CAN agree on is the economic consequences of WW2 after 1945 and how that turned out for the American dollar.

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:55 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Man, the nordic countries aren't that great. Everywhere has problems. Everywhere. Anyone trying to sell you utopia is literally sellin' NOTHIN'.

http://www.alternet.org/world/grim-truth-behind-scandinavian-miracle?p
aging=off¤t_page=1

And whether it's idols or ideologies, I will take the piss outta any sacred cow I ever come across.

Byte, child. Really??

You're allowing yourself to be manipulated by a dyspeptic Brit, whose article is 5% fact and 95% anecdote and bull??? So, the criticisms of the Nordic countries are that

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...the reality of prime-time Danish TV is day-to-day, wall-to-wall reruns of 15-year-old episodes of Midsomer Murders and documentaries on pig welfare....

Norwegians are the most insular and xenophobic of all the Scandinavians...

We need not detain ourselves here [Iceland] too long...

the place [Finland] appears to be ... a bit samey...

Swedish ultra-feminism has emasculated their men

Wow. Snark-in-an-article-much? So, if we take ALL of the negative features of the USA- the drinking, shooting, Islamophobia, inequality, poor school systems, rightwing political parties, and debt- and scatter them across many nations, we're supposed to feel better about ourselves?

Not to say that the Nordic nations have all the answers. Of course they don't. But at least they don't have their military spread across half the globe.

Maybe the lack of investigation haa to do with the author. So, who is the author, Michael Booth?

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Michael Booth is an English food and travel writer and journalist who writes regularly for a variety of newspapers and magazines including the Independent on Sunday, Condé Nast Traveller, Monocle and Time Out

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:00 AM

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So, the criticisms of the Nordic countries are that

The point I was making is that NOTHING is above criticism.

Also, the criticisms you posted were not the main points of the article, but the article isn't that important.

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Not to say that the Nordic nations have all the answers. Of course they don't.

THANK you. That is ALL I wanted to hear. I was getting the impression that the argument here was that if we suddenly became Norway we'd no longer have any problems, and it was BOTHERING me.

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:25 AM

Silhouette Man makes a lot of sense to me, & I agree
with his suggestions ... until he says, "just WTF are
you Americans thinking?"

My representatives aren't legislating for my wishes
very well at all. I don't see us as a democracy now. <<-==

====================== :>

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. ~George Orwell

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:30 AM

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Silhouette Man makes a lot of sense to me, & I agree
with his suggestions ... until he says, "just WTF are
you Americans thinking?"

My representatives aren't legislating for my wishes
very well at all. I don't see us as a democracy now.

Whew. Okay. Yes. We are starting to agree on things now.

I lost my temper. There was flailing and capslock. Verifiable flailing and gnashing of teeth.

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 2:56 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Oh yeah right, like that wasn't directed at me. EVERYONE KNOWS WHO YOU WERE TALKING TO. The word "YOU" was used SEVERAL TIMES ACTUALLY, and from the context it was CLEAR who "YOU" WAS!

This is called GASLIGHTING and I'm tired of it. If you say something own up to it, don't pretend like you didn't say it or that we didn't understand you - we are smarter than you think we are and it is offensive that you think we're THIS dumb.

Oh my gosh, Byte, you caught me out. I was actually waiting for a chance to find a topic where I could personally, but rather sneakily attack you. But not sneaky enough hey.

Because lets face it, it is ALL about you. Everything is. All the threads are. They are all personally directed at you and about you. Even if others do not see it, you certainly do.

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:37 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Worth a mention that in 1930 America was *DECIDEDLY* Pro-Fascist, the corporate robber barons were all but masturbating to their economic policies, Henry Ford was all but fellating them, the German-American Bund was having parades in NYC, The "American Liberty League" (Later becoming The Business Plot, derailed by Smedley Butler) was pushing hard, and the fucking American Legion (one reason why I despise them utterly) thought it was the greatest fucking thing since sliced bread...
And don't even get me started on Lindberg and America-First.
Or how we SUPPORTED Franco.

American Big Business has always LOOOOVED Fascism, ESPECIALLY the Italian model wherin the State supports, endorses and aids their rabid exploitation, of course they would, did not the events at Blair Mountain show this beyond any doubt, when it took the military intervention of the State to save them from a total ass kicking at the hands of workers pushed too far ?
Has the State not ALWAYS sided against the worker when it came to blows ?

Let's not pretend America isn't disgustingly Fascism-Friendly, because behind closed doors Corporate America doesn't lament Hitlers downfall so much as sneering at the humanitarian reasons which have (quite rightfully) rendered the very word a curse, because they are fucking sociopaths.

Never for a moment forget it, this is what they are, and the Corporate Robber Barons would leap upon even the memory of that horror in a picosecond if they could just manage to make it any kinda palatable.

Which is why the only good use for em... is fertilizer.

-Frem

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:23 AM

Quote Frem, "Has the State not ALWAYS sided against the worker when it
came to blows ?"

Were the workers Fascist too?
Workers, farmers : not fascists.
Lower & middle classes : not fascists.
Those are the Americans I see.

U.S. History as taught to me in school, albeit whitewashed:
WWI took a terrible toll on the common people. And the
outcry was, "No more foreign wars for Us; we'll look after
our own!"

Wealth and corruption ruled then as it does now. But now,
it's more obvious, I think.

What should we do?

====================== :>
The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. ~George Orwell

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 8:48 AM

WHOZIT

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Stop calling innocent bystanders 'commies', you fascist pig, you!

You should also stop drunk typing...ya troll.

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 9:06 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

^ hubris

I don't believe that word means what you think it means.

I wasn't by any stretch being overly boastful, NOR is my acknowledgement of what the USA has done in any way a 'defiance' to the gods. Unless you think Europe and the rest of the world does and view the old colonial powers as " gods ", then you may be onto something. Because we did break away from the old world, specifically to form a new type of govt.

Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I get a ration of this for telling the one hundred percent effin TRUTH.

Only Rappy knows the truth; he said so.

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:53 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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So, the criticisms of the Nordic countries are that... signy

The point I was making is that NOTHING is above criticism.
Also, the criticisms you posted were not the main points of the article, but the article isn't that important.-byte

Not to say that the Nordic nations have all the answers. Of course they don't.-signy

THANK you. That is ALL I wanted to hear. I was getting the impression that the argument here was that if we suddenly became Norway we'd no longer have any problems, and it was BOTHERING me.-byte

What was bothering ME is that the article that you linked to was such a spiteful hatchet job that it weakened the point you were making. And, if you read the article again, I think you'll see that these criticisms ARE the main point of the article. It was like the writer couldn't find enough material to flesh out more than a couple of paragraphs about Denmark, and decided to dip into a bag of random bits of innuendo, anecdote, strawman, and self-contradiction. So, sexual liberation has emasculated Swedish men, has it? And of course there are studies which show that males in Sweden have less sex than males in other developed nations?

So, as I said, if you read again, but this time take out the baseless, the innuendo, the anecdote, the self-contradictory, and the snark, the article evaporates to almost nothing. Not a good way to make a point.

FWIW, there was one point I thought interesting: Denmark is in the same position as Iceland was before the crash- very high standard of living for less work, great amount of happiness, and huge amount of debt. It seems that happiness is as easily predicted in China as it is in Iceland, Denmark, and anyplace else: less work, and more time and resources for fun stuff.

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Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:54 AM