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What do the jobless do when the benefits end?

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Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:15 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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The end to federal jobless benefits for nearly 2 million people has sparked a bitter debate in Congress about whether Washington is abandoning desperate households or simply protecting strained government coffers.

It is also providing real-time answers to a question economists have long pondered: How do people survive when they suddenly have no money coming in?

Never in more than 65 years have so many workers been without a job and without a government lifeline. Congress cut off 1 million people en masse in December when it permitted a special emergency program for the long-term unemployed to lapse. Since then, their ranks have been growing by about 72,000 a week, according to the National Employment Law Project (NELP), which lobbies on behalf of the jobless.

On Tuesday, in testimony before Congress, Federal Reserve Chair Janet L. Yellen highlighted long-term unemployment as one of the central challenges of the U.S. economic recovery. Not only is it a sign that the labor market is still weak, she said, but it also shows that economic growth is falling far short of its potential.

The problem has also consumed White House officials, who worry not only about how to get these people back to work but also about how they get by. Former White House chief economist Alan Krueger said he once visited an off-track betting site in the middle of the day in hopes of finding cutoff workers and interviewing them about how they were supporting themselves.

“I still couldn’t figure it out,” said Krueger, who returned last year to his job teaching economics at Princeton University. He dubbed the phenomenon “the Kramer effect,” after Cosmo Kramer, the eccentric “Seinfeld” character who had no clear means of support.

Someone who loses a job typically receives unemployment benefits from the state for 26 weeks. During the recession, however, the number of people who remained out of work swelled, and Congress voted in 2008 to provide additional aid that made checks available for as long as 99 weeks in the hardest-hit states.

Last year, lawmakers cut the maximum benefit to 73 weeks. Then, at the end of December, Congress let federal aid lapse altogether.

Mitchell Hirsch of NELP said people were “thrust essentially overnight from a situation where they were struggling to make ends meet with their benefits into one where they’re now struggling just to survive.” Six weeks later, he said, “what we’re hearing .?.?. is increasingly desperate.”

According to a 2012 report by the Government Accountability Office, Social Security is the government program people turn to most often after exhausting unemployment benefits. But the share who do so is relatively small, just 18 percent. An additional 6 percent apply for disability insurance, and just 3 percent use government aid designed for families and children.

Regardless of whether they qualify for government help, the vast majority also rely on private sources of income — a mishmash of personal savings, odd jobs, credit card debt and loans from friends and family, the report found. About half also live in two-person households without children, which means they are more likely to have another income to rely on.

Still, those varied sources of cash typically are not substantial, the GAO said: Four in 10 people who had exhausted unemployment benefits in 2012 earned less than twice the federal poverty level — or less than $22,340 a year.

“It’s not like they’re trying to maintain their lifestyle,” said Rutgers University professor Carl Van Horn, who is researching long-term unemployment. “They’re trying to survive at a lower standard of living.”

Lillian Humphrey of Baltimore has resorted to selling baby toys that her 1-year-old great-grandson has outgrown, asking $10 or $15 on Craigslist. It is the only money she has coming in these days. But there is still plenty of money going out the door — for her mortgage, gas and electric bills and for her osteoporosis medication.

Humphrey was laid off from a photography company a year ago. That job paid less than she had made for the previous 40 years working at an insurance company and at a warehousing business. Now, she is hoping to find a position that pays at least $10 an hour. But she has had no luck.

So on Jan. 2 — the first business day after her jobless benefits ran out — Humphrey applied for Social Security benefits. At 62, she is eligible. But the decision means she will receive smaller retirement checks than if she had waited to enroll at age 65, potentially reducing her standard of living for the rest of her life.

“I want a job,” Humphrey said. “I still to this day want a job.”

President Obama is continuing to press lawmakers to revive federal benefits, though a plan to extend them for three more months failed last week to clear the Senate. The proposal would not have a major impact on overall economic growth; analysts estimate it would increase the nation’s gross domestic product by less than half a percentage point.

But advocates for the jobless say even a brief extension would make a huge difference in people’s lives.

“Some members of Congress are just in complete denial about the severity of the economic downturn,” said the Rev. Larry Snyder, president of Catholic Charities USA, which has seen demand for food and other forms of aid jump since federal benefits lapsed.

“Some people are interpreting the fact that we’re seeing signs of economic recovery as saying, ‘Okay, folks are all right,’?” Snyder said. “That’s just not true.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/what-do-the-jobless-do-
when-the-benefits-end/2014/02/11/e135d74a-8eb7-11e3-b227-12a45d109e03_story.html



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Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:56 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Get a part time job. Get 2 part time jobs. Get 3, if need be.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yup.....

I got over $350 a week for around 80 weeks. A FAR cry from the nearly $800 i was clearing before I was laid off, but I usually don't make $350 on a two week check at my job now.

If I needed a 2nd part time job, I'd be working a 2nd part time job.

If you seriously can't find a part time job that any idiot kid could do after 80-90 weeks of unemployment, then you're truly a sad-sack. After about 15 resumes to local part-time minimum wage jobs I finally got a bite and I was hired the instant I had the interview. This all happened no more than 3 weeks after I resigned myself to sending out resumes to anyone I thought would be a fool NOT to take me. Half the guys I work with have so many tattoos that they could never even work an office job, but they got a job where I'm at.

If you're "too good" for part time retail or food-service industry work and the meager pay, then I don't pity you when the benefits run out. If you CHOOSE to lose your house and you CHOOSE to eventually be homeless because you're too good for part time work, then I guess I'll see ya on the streets.

Bankruptcy is still an option that will save your house and even a work car if you find you can't "keep up with the joneses" with your new crappy job(s). Shouldn't have bought so much on credit, stupid. No worries. We'll just forgive that debt and tack it on to my $55k share of the National Debt.

Welcome to the New America Niki.

Maybe if you ever had to wonder yourself where your next meal was coming from, you wouldn't be so quick to want to give a few extra million Illegals low income jobs. It might be a lot harder for you to work part time with me when we've already got way to many white folk working here....


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Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:03 PM

FREMDFIRMA



What do the jobless do when the benefits end?

Crime.

-F

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:47 PM

BYTEMITE


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If you're "too good" for part time retail or food-service industry work and the meager pay, then I don't pity you when the benefits run out.


Lots of people get told they're over-qualified in those situations even when they're completely willing to interview and take the work.

I don't think we should necessarily assume that the tragedies people experience in their lives were chosen by them.

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yep.

I prefer to think of it as making the tax/benefit system work for me though, since everything I do is completely and unimpeachably above board. (Learning how to take advantage of programs the government has let the minorities abuse for decades probably should be considered a crime).

Oh... you meant Walter White style lawbreaking.

Can't say I've done that yet. Not that it's below me, but as you know, I'm not very ambitious.


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Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:50 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

What do the jobless do when the benefits end?

Crime.

Data Says You Should Hire Criminals

Eamon Javers tells us http://www.cnbc.com/id/101410448 about a bunch of correlations people are finding as our computational power increases, including this gem for the human resources department:
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But here's the weirdest thing Evolv said it has discovered: Criminals can make better employees than anyone else. Evolv calculates that employees with criminal backgrounds are 1 to 1.5 percent more productive on the job than people without criminal records, and the firm said that difference in a large company "could result in tens of millions in profit and loss gain."
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that people with criminal records are good moneyball hires, who come at a salary discount that's way out of proportion to their job performance. But the news that criminals outperform in absolute terms is pretty fascinating. The CEO of the company thinks it may be because they feel an unusual sense of gratitude and loyalty. http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/02/12/hiring_criminals_big_da
ta_says_go_for_it.html



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 2:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I agree Second... some of the BEST employees you could get for the price would be from the prison system.

I would only hope that the screening process for them would be insanely intense, for who would be a fit for a job, but particularly who wouldn't be fit for any job among actual human beings.

It's no secret that the "Correctional" part of the System is a flat out lie. Anyone who goes in once is a much worse person coming out, no matter how much they tried to avoid everything.

I saw 2 of my friends after they came back. Stepford wives type shit. Ruined human beings, is all. One died of an overdose, the other is likely a lifer inside.

Couple of poor decent looking white boys that got in over their head and had to spend 3 years in Statesville. The 25th hour ain't no joke.

One of them would never shake hands after that. He only bumped fists in his short time out. He told me that when you see the things that some people do with their hands that you'd never want to touch another person's open palm, ever.




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Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:33 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Get a part time job. Get 2 part time jobs. Get 3, if need be.






and if you can't get a part time job, or 2....

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Get a part time job. Get 2 part time jobs. Get 3, if need be.






and if you can't get a part time job, or 2....



Try harder. Ask for help from local and (gasp) even religious organizations. Move ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:15 PM

WHOZIT


This year The Home Depot will be hiring 80,000 people. When their bennys end they can go get jobs, instead of living off of ME! I work 40 hours or more every week, I PAY MY OWN BILLS!

In Obama's America;

More unemplyment bennys

More Food Stamps

Less healthcare bennys

Obama phones have replaced Hoover blankets

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 4:32 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by whozit:
This year The Home Depot will be hiring 80,000 people. When their bennys end they can go get jobs, instead of living off of ME! I work 40 hours or more every week, I PAY MY OWN BILLS!

You also pay the politicians; they're living off you. They just PRETEND to work for it....

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:01 PM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by whozit:
This year The Home Depot will be hiring 80,000 people. When their bennys end they can go get jobs, instead of living off of ME! I work 40 hours or more every week, I PAY MY OWN BILLS!

You also pay the politicians; they're living off you. They just PRETEND to work for it....



I know, this angers me

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:09 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by AURaptor:



Try harder. Ask for help from local and (gasp) even religious organizations. Move ?



And you think that people don't do that?

Do you think unemployment spikes because suddenly a whole load of people decide to throw in their jobs and live off benefits?

Or could it be, and I know this will blow your mind here, that there are less jobs than people seeking work

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:19 PM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:



Try harder. Ask for help from local and (gasp) even religious organizations. Move ?



And you think that people don't do that?

Do you think unemployment spikes because suddenly a whole load of people decide to throw in their jobs and live off benefits?

Or could it be, and I know this will blow your mind here, that there are less jobs than people seeking work



Still trying to reason with the troll, huh?

Hows that working for ya?




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:36 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Meh, day off today. I know I should rush out and get another job, as I do only work part time, but I think I'll just sit around, reply to the troll and live off benefits...

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Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:21 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I'll just sit around, reply to the troll and live off benefits...

Lazy Leftie.

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Friday, February 14, 2014 2:19 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Some turn to porn.

Sometimes things just don't go smooth.


SGG

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Friday, February 14, 2014 2:28 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Last time I was unemployed, I worked part-time and did temp work. But when that went bust, I came to my last 20 bucks, 2 months behind in my rent and facing possible eviction - when I landed a job (no thanks to the greedy bastards).

That was scary. I count my blessings.

I was this close to asking for help from my family (which I didn't want to do), and before anyone goes mouthing off, I hated the idea. I've worked at some type of job ever since I was 12 years old (newspaper route), so I don't want to hear it. Fuck politics, but stacking the deck against god honest folk, just ain't right.


SGG

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Friday, February 14, 2014 4:53 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Data Says You Should Hire Criminals


Well here's the thing, I WAS a crook, and a damned good one in that I never effectively got caught, part of that involved at one time decking a public defender trying to take a dive and plead me...
But anyhows...

What makes me so goddamn GOOD at security work is that I got into it, initially from the OTHER end, and because of that I know every trick in the book, and how to counter them - and having done so in a far more bitter and volatile crucible (Baltimore) than these little podunk townships, the would be thugs here are so out of their league it's goddamn laughable, and they KNOW this - and thus, leave us alone, not necessarily for the sake of anything I actually DO, but for the fact I am employed here, reside here, and will take massive umbrage at any transgression on my "turf".

You don't go in the dragons lair and poke it with a stick, not unless the take is worth it, and given the median income here is less than 30K, it ain't never gonna be.

-Frem

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Friday, February 14, 2014 5:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Or could it be, and I know this will blow your mind here, that there are less jobs than people seeking work


Yanno what??? It's the fault of those effing job creators. If they would get off their lazy asses and create more jobs, we wouldn't have an unemployment problem.


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Friday, February 14, 2014 5:27 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:



Try harder. Ask for help from local and (gasp) even religious organizations. Move ?



And you think that people don't do that?

Do you think unemployment spikes because suddenly a whole load of people decide to throw in their jobs and live off benefits?

Or could it be, and I know this will blow your mind here, that there are less jobs than people seeking work



Oh, no doubt about it. But Obama and the Left ( yes, there IS a connection here ) chose to work on expanding the reach and grab of govt instead of recovering the economy. It only follows that a weaker economy needs fewer workers, who'll then need to be taken care of... by who ? Uncle Sam !!!

Meanwhile, both political parties in D.C. are tripping over each other to construct a super highway from Mexico into the US, and flood us with MORE unskilled, uneducated " workers " for all those jobs Americans just won't do !!

Yeah, right. I wonder how many Mexicans are making a b-line up to N. Dakota, and making massive bank off of BIG OIL , instead of those jobs going to Americans. Nope. Best sit at home, drink your Starbucks coffee, catch The View or Ellen on t.v. , and surf the net.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, February 14, 2014 6:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What I want to know is... when are those job creators going to get off their asses and start creating jobs? Isn't that the rationale for some peeps being so rich? So that they can "create jobs" with all that money??

Well, they're richer than ever, but where are the jobs? Yanno, if they created more jobs, the role of the government would shrink. That's a good thing, right? But they're just taking a back seat to Obama. It seems like those job creators aren't being very productive with all that loot. Maybe they should be fired and someone else take their place.




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Friday, February 14, 2014 6:49 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Repeal of ObamaCare will go a long way to letting business get back to putting folks to work.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, February 14, 2014 6:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Repeal of ObamaCare will go a long way to letting business get back to putting folks to work.


So will THIS.



Care to guess what my preferred option is ?

Be careful what you wish for.

-F

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Friday, February 14, 2014 6:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Obamacare was just passed. But where have the job creators been for the past six years?

It's just one excuse after another for why they've consistently failed to perform their primary function. They've got a lot more money now, so what's their problem?


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Friday, February 14, 2014 8:59 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Oh, no doubt about it. But Obama and the Left ( yes, there IS a connection here ) chose to work on expanding the reach and grab of govt instead of recovering the economy. It only follows that a weaker economy needs fewer workers, who'll then need to be taken care of... by who ? Uncle Sam !!!



If I remember rightly the current recession was caused by events pre Obama, that is the GFC, which was caused in turn by shocking and irresponsible lending practices by financiers. A global trend, as other countries have faced the same issues,

A monetatist response, implemented by many countries was austerity measures, which further eroded the amount of money circulating in the system, and contributed to further collapse of business and loss of jobs.

Meanwhile, Australia adopted a different approach and the government spent money on a economic stimulus package, which along with existing better regulation of financial institutions, protected us from the worst of the impact of the GFC. Well done us.

So your half cocked theory that Obama, AKA the Great Satan is solely responsible for all woes including the pimple on your butt, doesn't hold water.

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Friday, February 14, 2014 9:28 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Obamacare was just passed. But where have the job creators been for the past six years?



O-Care was passed in March of 2010, dear. Almost 4 years ago.

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It's just one excuse after another for why they've consistently failed to perform their primary function. They've got a lot more money now, so what's their problem?



The problem is that the law sucks. And since the debate began, businesses have been trying to figure out just how in the hell to plan / budget for this disaster. Add to the fact that Obama keeps on breaking his OWN FRELLING LAW, by unilaterally delaying this and adding more and more waivers for his political benefactors. It's a jittery, ever moving target, and businesses have to plan well in advance how to proceed so they'll not be burned. Only Obama doesn't give a flying flip about what they have to do, mainly because he has no CONCEPT of how businesses even work.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, February 14, 2014 11:07 PM

CHRISISALL


I must point out out AGAIN that I *HATE* 'Obamacare' (the derivative of Romneycare) and that it's a gutless attempt to move us towards what we really SHOULD have: the Canadian/Austrailian/European model.
Our healthcare system sucks. Most do. But we PAY for our system to suck out of pocket.
Therein lies the difference (that so-called Conservatives should see).

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Friday, February 14, 2014 11:08 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Decidedly wicked, I like it!!!

SGG


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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Repeal of ObamaCare will go a long way to letting business get back to putting folks to work.


So will THIS.



Care to guess what my preferred option is ?

Be careful what you wish for.

-F


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Friday, February 14, 2014 11:16 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Who was it that said that O-care would be a job & people killer? Yet, rich folk get EXTREMELY richer................

So, tell me Rap, where are the jobs? Where's the trickle down we were promised? How is it that the 1% is making so much money, yet the economy has been determined to be failing? I don't get it!? (actually, I do. The question is rhetorical)

I know why - it's Ben Ghazi.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Repeal of ObamaCare will go a long way to letting business get back to putting folks to work.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


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Friday, February 14, 2014 11:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Ok, rappy, Obamacare was just recently "implemented".

Yanno, I've worked for a regulatory agency. We pass regulations with future implementation dates, and I have never... never seen a business move to implement a regulation until it was right frickin' on top of them. Oy vey! What a deluge of panic-stricken phone calls!

In any case, the rich are still richer than ever, so what are they waiting for???

Because they can't figure out if Obamacare is going to cost them 1% or 2% of all the free money they just got from the Fed?? Because they didn't get ENOUGH money from the bailouts and the Fed? (Let's see, that was $850 billion a month times 12 months in a year times....) Because they want the Federal government to hold their hand and provide them with guarantees of future profits? Because the stars and the moon need to align with Jupiter in the seventh house?

Yeesh! What happened to all that cutlass-in-teeth risk taking that the so-called "job creators" are supposed to be so famous for?

Useful as chiggers on a butt, that's what they are.


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Friday, February 14, 2014 11:36 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


You took a (ahem) skill and turned it around. That's the American way. I've done some borderline illegal activities to help my family tread water early in my life, and I considered myself an American carpetbagger.

Like the robber-barons of the early forming of American business, I did what was necessary to make it. Of course, the robber-barons were more brutally successful than I could ever be. Imagine if I had, I'd be among those 1% -
Oooooo, I just got a chill.

Still though, you improvised - you adapted. Bravo!


SGG


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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
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Originally posted by second:
Data Says You Should Hire Criminals


Well here's the thing, I WAS a crook, and a damned good one in that I never effectively got caught, part of that involved at one time decking a public defender trying to take a dive and plead me...
But anyhows...

What makes me so goddamn GOOD at security work is that I got into it, initially from the OTHER end, and because of that I know every trick in the book, and how to counter them - and having done so in a far more bitter and volatile crucible (Baltimore) than these little podunk townships, the would be thugs here are so out of their league it's goddamn laughable, and they KNOW this - and thus, leave us alone, not necessarily for the sake of anything I actually DO, but for the fact I am employed here, reside here, and will take massive umbrage at any transgression on my "turf".

You don't go in the dragons lair and poke it with a stick, not unless the take is worth it, and given the median income here is less than 30K, it ain't never gonna be.

-Frem


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Saturday, February 15, 2014 9:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


People are actually responding to the troll? I thought we'd stopped doing that sort of thing. You DO know all he does is throw out the first thing on his mind (well, probably on his List, given it's always one of the same few things), then defends it with more bullshit just as long as you keep replying?

If you really must, be my guest, but it's awfully silly to read. You could mention that the right has CUT government jobs left and right (instead spending their time passing "overturn Obamacare" idiocy, anti-abortion nonsense, voter-restriction bullshit and other stuff that has done nothing to improve the job market), cities have been laying off vital services like fire and police, those "job creators" have steadily shipped jobs overseas, and the rich have gotten enormously richer without "creating" many new jobs, but none of that will mean anything either.

The mere idea that people facing nothing coming in at all AREN'T taking part-time jobs to survive is ludicrous and wasn't worthy of comment, but hey, play his game, he loves it.


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Saturday, February 15, 2014 10:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Who was it that said that O-care would be a job & people killer? Yet, rich folk get EXTREMELY richer................

So, tell me Rap, where are the jobs? Where's the trickle down we were promised? How is it that the 1% is making so much money, yet the economy has been determined to be failing? I don't get it!? (actually, I do. The question is rhetorical)

I know why - it's Ben Ghazi.


SGG



First of all, I've already touched on your question above. Try reading it.

Obama never promised trickle down. In fact, he promised to "fundamentally transform " this nation, and guess what ? He has!

But clever of you to tack on that mindless reminder of how obama and hillary just left ALL Americans in Benghazi to die, instead of sending in any help. 4 died, and as many as 30 more may have, had it not been for the bravery of others. Sure as hell wasn't our glorious leader.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:18 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I didn't bother reading - did little rappy fall for it?

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


RAPPY- you have not responded to my point. Therefore I'm not responding to yours.


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Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:46 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
RAPPY- you have not responded to my point. Therefore I'm not responding to yours.

Funny, for a change I'm not feeding the troll...
hahahahahaha!

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:50 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Sig - there is no such thing as " Free money". No idea what you're driving at, but most of the employers in this country, small business, got no windfall from the govt, which is itself an oxymoron.

The govt HAS no money it doesn't first take from who ? WE THE PEOPLE.

And as for O-Care just being implemented, that's a laugh. Everyone should note that this " law " didn't take full effect until AFTER O and his cohorts were already safely elected. And it's STILL being delayed ! In full violation of Barry's OWN FUCKING LAW! Unbelievable. Lucky for him, the GOP are too god damn pussy to do much of anything about it. So scared of being called "RACIST" by the MSM and Jessie , Al, Tavis, et al, all the Speaker can do is cry and go hide in a bottle of scotch. Worthless sacks of go se.

Quote:

Isn't that the rationale for some peeps being so rich? So that they can "create jobs" with all that money??


I don't know anyone who has huge amounts of money who thinks... " Ok, now I have lots of money for myself, I'll just create mindless dead end jobs and GIVE my money away to others ! " It seems you have a fundamental misunderstanding here.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Funny, for a change I'm not feeding the troll...hahahahahaha!
Yes, and I'm trolling the troll. NOT GOOD. Dear god, please make me stop!!!


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Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:04 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Dear god, please make me stop!!!

My dear, just say no.
In a slightly related vein, I was talking to this dude on a James Bond site the other day, and he said that western society is controlled by the Left. I had to laugh, and I listed some the 'Left' agendas and pointed out how if exactly NONE of them are being achieved, and in fact most of them are being bulldozed aside blatantly, how can he support that statement? He went silent on me. If he were a troll, he would have come up with all kinds of bullshit reasons that are also unsupportable, like you-know-who does here ad nauseum. Heh heh.
Interestingly, the dude is American, and the site is primarily populated by UK peeps, so I think he knew if he pulled that "Obamacare got passed" crap he would have been laughed off the thread by UK peeps pointing out how Obama is NOT Left, but squarely center, and a lapdog of corporate interest.

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:09 PM

CHRISISALL


Oops, NSA interference must have cause a duplicate post to appear...

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:11 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Which LEFT wing ideas are being " bulldozed " ?

Name ONE.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:19 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Rappy, do you really want to seriously engage me in a conversation? If you do, you'll have to follow some rules:

1) Respond on point. Answer questions directly. Don't go jinking off onto other points unless that point either supports or refutes the issue under discussion.

2) Be consistent with your logic and expectations. If you expect Obama to do something, apply the same expectations to all past Presidents, including Republicans.

3) Don't dismiss "the vast majority of" data. I recall a point you were trying to make many years ago about how lowering taxes raised revenues, and somebody- I think it was Rue- actually brought the CBO's Federal revenue data for the past 100 years to the board, and.... you completely ignored it.

4) No name-calling.

5) Be prepared to explain yourself several different ways. Sometimes people disagree because they literally do not understand what the other person is saying. This is especially true of abstract words like "freedom", which can mean many things to many people. If you're questioned about what you mean, or what your goal is, or what the data is behind your statements, do your best to explain, because that is just a person trying to understand what you're saying. That means, of course, that you must stand behind your points and not just say "I never said/ implied such a thing". If that is the case then you have to explain WHAT you said.

5) Stay in the discussion until you and the other party either have come to agreement, or at least have defined the point(s) you disagree on, to the satisfaction of both parties.


6) No strawmen, no innuendo, no rhetorical devices which merely muddy the waters.


Do you think you can live by those rules?


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Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:25 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Do you think you can live by those rules?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Good LUCK......

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


CHRIS - Well, I'm sure I missed a few. But yanno, I'm all set for an HONEST, INTELLIGENT discussion from rappy - or anyone- at any time.

RAPPY- So, are you game? I personally would like to start with "There is no such thing as FREE MONEY". But whatever topic you want to start with is fine by me.



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Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:33 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I'll continue to post as I see fit, as I have for the past 10+ years.

I'll leave the name calling and straw men arguments to others.

I will continue to challenge the views of " the vast majority " , where I see fit to do so. I will not cling blindly to consensus.

I'll explain myself as I feel need to. If you don't " get it ", you may ask , politely, for me to expand. I may or may not acquiesce. This is merely a casual internet forum, and I shall conduct myself accordingly.

I fully understand that people may see things differently, and in the end, may have to simply agree to disagree. I have a life, and I refuse to chase others in a mindless, endless circle of " debate " on the internet. If I 'bitch out' of a discussion, I've said all I'm going to say on the matter, my views have been presented, and there's nothing left to add.

Make of that what you will.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



The Bill of Rights in the National Archives

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies



And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster

I feel so vindicated.

"Just glad that some Democrats are acknowledging the bad job done in developing Healthcare.com." "it'll be interesting to see if these same Democrats acknowledge" "these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address" " it's about Democrats using criticism of the rollout in their campaign ads".



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Saturday, February 15, 2014 12:57 PM

CHRISISALL



TROLLS DO NOT COMPUTE.

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Saturday, February 15, 2014 1:01 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Okay rappy I get it: You have absolutely no interest in discussing anything because you want to use this forum either as (1) a forum for your propaganda or (2) a place to troll. Thanks for clarifying!

MY gawd, Chris... where did you get that image???


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