44,000 EEEEEDIOTS! by Wishimay

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44,000 EEEEEDIOTS!

POSTED BY: WISHIMAY
UPDATED: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 17:55
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Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:30 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582139/Petition-save-pit-bull
-viciously-mauled-four-year-old-boy-44-000-signatures.html

http://news.yahoo.com/attitudes-laws-against-pit-bulls-soften-05242545
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Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:32 PM

WISHIMAY

I've been having this battle with people on the internets ('cause I LIKE futility) about pits. Knowing a couple gals that had their faces put back together by a surgeon, I have a problem with pits. Yeah, their cute fuzzy animals, yeah they are capable of being good protectors like any other breed. Unfortunately, there's a reason they look like HULK...and it's because they were BRED for that look. I firmly believe that you should have a special license to have a pit in this country (like people do with exotics), and with it special insurance, training required, and if it attacks someone NOT trying to kill you YOU get put in jail and license revoked.

Couple dozen people get mauled to death by dogs every year, and in my experience, most of those are kids. AND NO, It's not ALL about the owners. They are animals that don't have logic centers. They can be trained, but most of their actions are INSTINCT and that is impossible to remove all together...

Here's another article that talks about people being sooo emotionally attached they can't see the damage.

I think it's about probability. If there's a larger than normal chance your pet will chew someone's head off, then I think we should err on the side of caution, since people aren't capable of being unattached. And if you have little kids GET SOMETHING ELSE until the kids are big enough to at least fight back, I mean, why take the chance???

Something went wrong with that post....

PS. I haven't even mentioned the hundreds of people that just get maimed...

You wanna see something horrible, do an image search of "pitbull attacks"
That'll mess up your morning...

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Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:25 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I honestly don't understand the mentality of anyone who'd support saving the life of this pit, by holding up a sign saying ' Save Micky - He matters to us '

Really? More than the life or well being of a 4 year old ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, March 16, 2014 5:02 PM

OONJERAH

I'm with you.

They are called pit bulls, because they were bred to fight & kill.
They are good at it.
Most people who want to own a pit bull, I suspect, should not have
any dog. They want the big, bad one for a power-ego trip. Some
folks who own pits are way into dog fighting, legal or not.

Well darnit! I thought I'd published my own pit bull account in here,
but cannot track it down now. In brief, a 3-year-old child & 2 uncut,
male, pit bulls in front of my house. They came within a hair's breadth
of having a big-bad dog fight with the child right in the middle of it.
And both of these dogs I know to be good natured. One of them was
not trained; the bigger, older dog was trained, but not professionally.
i.e., To have these 2 dogs within 50 feet of each other was courting
trouble. They will fight!

The dogs are good in service.

I don't care to ban the breed. I'd carefully select who can own them,
more carefully than who's allowed to drive a car or own a gun. i.e.,
they should be a "controlled working stock."

Search for "Tahoe pit bull search rescue" & find:

Dakota is a pit bull who's famous in search & rescue lore. Why is
Dakota so good at what she does? Her owner says, "They never
get tired; they never give up."

It's a great dog in the right hands. So ... how to get them away
from all the grabby wrong hands?

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All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. ~Paul Simon

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Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:18 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

The dogs are good in service.

I don't care to ban the breed. I'd carefully select who can own them,
more carefully than who's allowed to drive a car or own a gun. i.e.,
they should be a "controlled working stock."

'Zactly!

We don't let just anybody have a tiger or an orangutan because in the wrong hands people get dead... I think people don't see how many of these attacks happen across the US, just the ones in their areas, so they think it is a limited occurrence...

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Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:59 PM

OONJERAH

DogsBite.org
http://www.dogsbite.org/dogsbite-newsroom-2009-dogsbite-three-year-fat
ality-study.php

DogsBite.org Releases 3-Year Fatality Study: U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities
January 2006 to December 2008
"The report shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 fatalities. Pit
bulls accounted for 59% of these deaths, the second leading breed,
rottweilers, accounted for 14%."

Below this is: Nonfatal Dog Bite-Related Injuries Treated
in Hospital Emergency Departments - United States, 2001

"In 1994, the most recent year for which published data are available,
an estimated 4.7 million dog bites occurred in the United States and
approximately 799,700 persons required medical care."

ETA: I believe for the fatal statistic above, "pit bull" includes American
pit bull, Staffordshire terrier, and a handful of other breeds that
closely resemble pit bulls. Still betting the Apb racked up the most
notches. ... The problem remains: foolish & irresponsbile Owners.
Jail time for them people!!

====================== :>

"The Law is more important than man." ~Chris, The Last Wave

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Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:21 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Nature or nurture?

We have a good number of pit bull attacks here in the Metro D.C. area. Generally the dogs that do the attacking are ones that folks have trained for dog fighting or outright aggression but have not managed to control. Sadly, there are a lot of folks out there who figure that a vicious dog will add to their macho image, and so teach the dog to be aggressive.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Monday, March 17, 2014 4:36 PM

OONJERAH

I've read now that Mickey, the pit bull, killed another dog 9 months ago.
With no details on it, I'll assume he did it in his own backyard, not the
dog fight pit. It takes a little while for one dog to kill another; it's
very loud. ... It disturbs the peace.

I'm thinking people sometimes get a dog, any breed of dog, on impulse,
and then, when they discover that they are busy, the dog is ignored. It
gets food & shelter, but no socialization. Most dogs need to be social.
The dog may be confined, even chained up. Dogs need exercise.

Was Mickey abandoned in this way?

I think young adults are more prone to this error than mature people of ...
say 50 or 60. Get a pet on impulse, find out you're not a pet lover, fail
to find a new home for your unwanted pet ... the pet pays.

Pet Peeves:
Several visits to Animal Control in recent years, I always went thru the
kennel out of curiosity. What do they have the most of? Unwanted, adult
Chihuahuas and Pitbulls. If you have a chihuahua or a pitbull, please don't
breed them ... the market isn't as good as you might think.

Another problem pets have: Some owners don't even bother to take them
to Animal Control. They just abandon them: & oddly enough, most of them
stay in the cities; we have dog packs roaming the cities. Breeding. How
many cats can we find raiding the dumpsters behind restaurants at night?
Lots.

A dog is not a human being. It doesn't have human responsibilities or
human rights.

While we may hold humans responsible for the mauling of young Kevin, if
I'm the judge, Mickey is a dead dog.

====================== :>

A man's gotta know his Delusions. ~Oonjerah

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Monday, March 17, 2014 9:13 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Feh, in all honesty Police K9's maul and murder more people than pits, regardless of breed.

And yet between that and the absolute unreliability and inanity of so called drug dogs, you don't see much outrage there, do you ?

-F

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Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:50 AM

OONJERAH

Near Winnipeg 17 Mar:
7-year-old girl dies after being mauled by dogs: RCMP
http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/7-year-old-girl-dies-after-being-mauled-by-
dogs-rcmp-1.1732565

A seven-year-old girl from the RM of St Andrews has died after she
was mauled by two dogs. RCMP confirm the girl was attacked outside
of a home in the RM of Springfield by two Alaskan malamutes Sunday
afternoon. She was pronounced dead at hospital.

Police say she was with her family visiting friends and was familiar
with the dogs.

"Two Alaskan malamute dogs were seized and are being held by RM
of Springfield animal control while the investigation continues," RCMP
spokeswoman Tara Seel said Monday. "It should be noted that the
dogs were known to the deceased. This was not a random attack."

============================

Probe into fatal dog mauling continues
http://www.winnipegsun.com/2014/03/18/probe-into-fatal-dog-mauling-con
tinues

The investigation continues into the tragic death of a seven-year-
old girl mauled by two dogs in the RM of Springfield. ...

Gracie Herntier-Clark, a seven-year-old St. Andrews girl, died in
a Winnipeg hospital after she was attacked around 3:30 p.m. on
Sunday afternoon while visiting a family friend’s house, where the
dogs lived.

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A malamute is just a wolf in ... in wolf's clothing?

We always had dogs as kid. I guess I didn't know them that well.
Used to have a bf who explained doggy psychology to me -- he
could see I didn't get it.
I guess I watched a whole season of Cesar Millan. So then, I was
starting to understand them, see?

But no. I don't understand the mutts.

I do understand that certain types of treatment will ruin a dog.
Apparently, this was not the problem with the two dogs here. I am
placing the canine race outside of my ken. I will assume nothing
about them from now on.

Dogs bite. I don't always know why = Can't trust 'em.

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Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:26 AM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Dogs bite. I don't always know why = Can't trust 'em.

I feel the same about people. That's why I like the little ones in both species. I have a chi/russel that would probably take all day to chew a finger off, same with kids

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Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:17 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Part of the reason why put bulls make up so much of that stats is because pit pulls make up so much of the population. I had to go to the pound at one point to find my missing cat (he was eating over at a neighbor's house, apparently!) and wandered thru the dog section, and at least half were pits or pitbull mixes.

I guess guys get pitbulls for the same reason they buy big off-road vehicles, shave their heads and get tattoos- trying to look tough.

I had a dog once- a Sammy- who got a little dotty in her old age. It got to where she would bite at people, absolutely without warning; I seriously was thinking of walking her with a muzzle but just kept her way from ppl once I realized her behavior had changed. At the vet's office, people were backing away from the pitbulls and crowding MY dog; I had to pretty sharply warn them away because she just looked so sweet!

Anyway, all dogs have the capacity to bite, and the bigger and stronger they are the more damage they can do. Once a hunting/ fighting behavior is activated, you'll have trouble.

Too bad you can't track down those 44,000 idiots and have them re-educated. They're more dangerous than the dogs.

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Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:00 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Among other things, "what Sig said". And I will stay out of this thread further, given that it's obvious from reading it that I have a different opinion, and no amount of discussion will change anyone's mind.

I'll just say I agree with

Quote:
Generally the dogs that do the attacking are ones that folks have trained for dog fighting or outright aggression but have not managed to control. Sadly, there are a lot of folks out there who figure that a vicious dog will add to their macho image, and so teach the dog to be aggressive.

In my opinion, there are no "bad" dogs, only bad owners. I've met many, many, MANY pit bulls at dog parks, on the trail, etc., and never seen one attack anyone or anything; virtually every one was a rescue, per what Sig wrote. On the other hand, I've seen many dogs of other breeds attack other dogs and people. I'll leave it at that.

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Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:59 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
I've met many, many, MANY pit bulls at dog parks, on the trail, etc., and never seen one attack anyone or anything

So that means they're OK??? Because YOU'VE never personally witnessed it?

like I said type in "Pitbull attacks child" and hit image search.

You seriously think ALL of those were because of BAD OWNERS??? Even if it were, and you could never convince me that it was, we should do NOTHING while kids get ripped to pieces? All of them have to die and be mangled for sentimentality?

There is a reason every judge in this country will say DON'T OWN A PIT and it's because they snap so frequently. Many apartments will not allow them. Insurances are beginning to not cover them. Judge Judy has said it dozens of times and it's because they see the court cases over and over and over and over again. How many times does it have to happen before we as a species LEARN???

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Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:49 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Try not to go off the deep end, Wish, I never said any of those things. And as I said, I'm not getting into this further, it's not worth it. All I'm saying is it's not as black and white as some people think.

Can't resist: Omigawd, Judge Judy?

No further comment.

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Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:26 PM

OONJERAH

Annie was a small, tough pitbull, very sweet natured, seemed protective.
But she was "abandoned," with Kim, the gal next door dog-sitting, not
getting paid, kibble in short supply.

One day, Annie forced a hole thru the chicken wire fence. She didn't chase
the chickens but instead went to the their food dish and licked up the left-
over laying mash.

Another time, she caught a domestic rabbit that the neighborhood kids had
set free. Without hurting it at all, she brought it to Kim. This seemed more
odd to me than not killing-eating the chickens when she was so hungry.
Rabbits are game; they smell like game. Nearly any dog will kill a rabbit.

on YouTube, Search terms:
pitbull kills - 263,000 hits
pitbull saves - 115,000 hits

I think there are more than twice as many kill videos on this sight, 'cause
they are more sensational = popular. IRL, the pitbull saves events may be
more numerous.

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All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. ~Paul Simon

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Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:25 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

Can't resist: Omigawd, Judge Judy?

I don't personally like Mrs. Condescending either, but she's seen more than you have...

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Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:08 PM

JONGSSTRAW

I've never been around a pit bull, but there are more than a few news reports of attacks by them on children every year in Florida. It's always really horrible, and the dog's owner is usually a low-life psycho living in a house of filth.

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Monday, March 24, 2014 7:35 PM

OONJERAH

This is short & to the point.

Untrained dogs endanger kids
http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/letters/2014/03/23/untrained-do
gs-endanger-kids/6812075/

Over the weekend ...
9-month-old Tempe girl remains in critical condition after being mauled by
the family's Akita.

In Phoenix, Sunday 17 Mar, 77-year-old Nancy Newberry was attacked
by the family's pit bull. She died the following day.

We never trained our family dogs in my kidhood; just assumed they'd obey us.
So naive! A dog needs and deserves proper training.

Most dog attack fatalities are kids; I figure the next most is the elderly.

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Monday, March 24, 2014 8:27 PM

WISHIMAY

My in-laws believe training a dog is abusing it because it isn't natural behavior

Meanwhile, I've taught mine voice commands, hand signals, and it tells me when it needs to go out by shaking it's head yes, and licking his lips when he's hungry.

They are just like kids, if you want them to live with people they need to be trained how to deal with people...

I have a neighbor that only walks her dog in the summer and it has a PILE of shit by her door because she holds it out the door on a leash, and another that has never left it's yard enclosure in five years.

On second thought, maybe it's people we need to work harder on training

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Monday, March 24, 2014 8:58 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Now we're in full agreement, Wish...and "what Oonj said", too.

And yeah, I've had bad experiences with Akitas--in relationship to my own dog being "aggressed" by them. My last dog avoided Akitas quite noticeably whenever we ran into one...of course, she also had a permanent crush on every Weimerauner she ever met, so go figger...

And every dog I ever had was perfectly voice trained by me. I'd bicycle street, they'd run sidewalk, and they were letter perfect...until I got these two huskies, that is...sigh. Silly me, I thought I knew it all...huskies are great for teaching patience...

Akitas are another breed that only responsible people should have...in a perfect world...

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Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:07 PM

OONJERAH

Judge makes tough, but right, decision with Mickey the pit bull
by Mac Watson
http://ktar.com/96/1717076/Judge-makes-tough-but-right-decision-with-M
ickey-the-pit-bull

Judge [Deborah] "Griffith chose to spare the dog."

The sentence includes more than that above. Will remain controversial.
I look at the dog's picture: he looks miserable, lonely & too thin.
It does not say if any action will be taken against Mickey's owner.

Part of my view is: Animal Control shelters have 1,000's of dogs that
need a good home. Why go so far around the bend to save one that's
a proven killer? ... Public opinion?

<: ========================== :>

All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. ~Paul Simon

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Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:17 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Having a dog, just like having a gun, or any other potentially dangerous thing, requires responsibility on the part of the owner. Millions of folks who are responsible have dogs, guns, power tools, fast cars, motorcycles, etc. and no one ever gets hurt by them. Folks who are irresponsible can get you hurt with pretty much anything. It's really not the dogs, etc. that are the problem.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Did I post about my brother here the other day and it's gone, or did I somehow go to sleep before posting it and it's gone forever :(

In the end, it was a happy ending and it's so lucky he was so young when it happened. Aside from a scar on his forehead you would never know that he had over 400 stitches and more than a bakers dozen of staples on his head when he was 3 years old and a dog practically ate his face.

It wasn't a Pit, and it wasn't a mean dog. I don't know what the hell my 3 year old brother did to piss it off or make it think that he was dinner, but holy shit.....

I'm not a big Dog-guy, but it was one of those more Regal and athletic looking dogs. Think Alaskan Husky, but if it were warm and it only had 1/4 the fur. One of the friendliest dogs you'd ever meet.

It's amazing how well a 3 year old's skin can heal. If that happened to me now, I would spend the rest of my life as The Man Without A Face.

I really love my Brothers. We've been through so much shit. None of us are dead yet :)

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Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:32 PM

WISHIMAY

Well, I can reply to myself...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590119/Mia-Derouen-4-tragical
ly-mauled-death-familys-pit-bull-watching-TV-mother-Megan-Touchet.html

Like I said. Let's do nothing, 'cause what we're doing right now is working GREAT.....

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Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:46 PM

WISHIMAY

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594393/Pit-bull-mauls-owners-
girlfriend-23-2-year-old-daughter.html

Yeah, this woman looks like a thug...

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Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:02 PM

WISHIMAY

Another thug death.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594653/Woman-85-mauled-death-
two-large-pitbulls-inside-home-broke-door-bedroom-locked-in.html

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Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:55 PM

OONJERAH

My red nose pit bull
Velvet writes: "I defended the breed. I always thought it was all
in how they're raised. I had to learn the hard way when I put my
loved ones in harms way. Never again"

http://17barks.blogspot.com/2014/03/my-red-nose-pit-bull.html

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