What's your Political Compass? by chrisisall

Are folk here afraid of a little 6 page multiple choice quiz?

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 12:56 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I'm a tad more to the left but quite a bit more libertarian than Ghandi.

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 12:57 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I came out almost dead center of the Left-Libertarian square. By Kiki's scale above, a bit more libertarian than Ghandi.

I dunno when you put this up, but I was here just before 6am, before our run, and just popped in now, 10:00. I think four hours is a pretty short time to start judging whether people are afraid of anything or not.

ETA: I found a good bit of the questions awfully obvious, and there was no option but "agree" and "disagree", which made the whole thing far too simplistic for my taste.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 1:31 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I found the questions pretty obvious, and some I thought didn't match my views at all, leading to no good choices for me:

Possessing marijuana for personal use should not be a criminal offence.

Studies have shown marijuana has significant and long-term effects on the young brain. A more recent study showed significant STRUCTURAL brain differences in young people among those who casually used marijuana (as few as 1 joint/ week, average 11 joints/ week), directly correlating extent of structural abnormalities with usage. Given the evidence, I think that people who SUPPLY marijuana to YOUNGSTERS should be subject to criminal charges.

People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.

People with serious inheritable disabilities should be STRONGLY ENCOURAGED to not reproduce.

When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things.

When you are troubled, it's good to consider the causes of your trouble, and to take action to remedy them.

First-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country.

What does this mean, exactly? First generation immigrants will never be exactly like third generation native born people, but they often do embrace and enthusiastically adopt the new country.

A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system.

How can you have a democratic system if you don't have a choice? And if you don't have a choice of party, do you have a choice of policy?

These days openness about sex has gone too far.

I'm all for openness and honesty, but public foreplay goes too far IMHO, and commercialization of sex is rampant and shouldn't be allowed.

And just out of curiosity I answered all questions 'strongly agree', which landed dead center of the left-right spectrum, but halfway up the authoritarian scale.

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 1:53 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yup, some of those are the ones I had problems with, too...when your only choices are "yes"/"no", it's not an accurate measure of the person's opinions.

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And just out of curiosity I answered all questions 'strongly agree', which landed dead center of the left-right spectrum, but halfway up the authoritarian scale.

That's interesting...and says a lot about the test itself. I don't put much stock in these things, for both the above reasons.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 2:19 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

And just out of curiosity I answered all questions 'strongly agree', which landed dead center of the left-right spectrum, but halfway up the authoritarian scale.

Hmmmm, that indicates a bias to the test IMO. But it didn't pretend to be scientifically accurate & reliable or anything. Just for fun, I conjure.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 2:41 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

I'm about 60% down and 30% right in the Libertarian Right quadrant.

ETA: I note that on similar tests, I've ended up in the Libertarian/Left quadrant. Guess it depends on the mood of the day and how the designers score your answers.

As others have noted, some of the questions aren't really amenable to a "Like/Dislike" type of answer for me.

Looking down at the bottom of the Results page, there's a chart for international figures. Interestingly enough, both Pres. Obama and Mitt Romney end up pretty deep in the Authoritarian Right quadrant, with Romney only 10% more Right and 15% more Authoritarian than Obama.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 3:01 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Interestingly enough, both Pres. Obama and Mitt Romney end up pretty deep in the Authoritarian Right quadrant, with Romney only 10% more Right and 15% more Authoritarian than Obama.

Sounds about right.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 3:04 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Which is why I consider Obama the lesser of two evils. I trust this wasn't a sideways comment on the supposed Obama worship we have.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Looking down at the bottom of the Results page, there's a chart for international figures. Interestingly enough, both Pres. Obama and Mitt Romney end up pretty deep in the Authoritarian Right quadrant, with Romney only 10% more Right and 15% more Authoritarian than Obama.

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 3:52 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

I appear to be one and a half squares straight down from the exact center (lines) of the lefty liberal green zone. This is probably the farthest right I've ever tested.

Excuse me whilest I go hug a tree.

Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:16 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Are folk here afraid of a little 6 page multiple choice quiz?

Already know what I am, w/ out taking any more tests.

As for being " in the dead middle ", it figures. Road kill and yellow lines also occupy that territory, so you're in good company.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:26 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:32 PM

America loves a winner!

A bit over your head again, huh Kiki ?

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:40 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:40 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Already know what I am

A silly silly British man.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:44 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Already know what I am

A silly silly British man.

I wish!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 5:03 PM

JONGSSTRAW

6 pages of Romper Room 101? No way Jose! I am Spartacus.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:17 PM

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Libertarian but then I Canadian. :)

My Wife says Libertarians are arrested adolescents.

@Jongs and btw, I am Spartacus.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:05 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Done this test a couple of times before, like Geezer my results vary with mood, but I'm never far from dead centre. Last time I did it I think I was actually slightly centre-right.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:14 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I thought it might be interesting for us to take this test and report on the results:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

I hit almost dead center, a tiny degree into the Athoritarian Left quadrant.

Clearly this is a useless test, only measuring the left portion of the spectrum. A centerist would surely register as a rightwing kook.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:15 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by RahlMaclaren:
I appear to be one and a half squares straight down from the exact center (lines) of the lefty liberal green zone. This is probably the farthest right I've ever tested.

Excuse me whilest I go hug a tree.

Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

Assumption confirmed.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:35 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

I think this test is more of an international spectrum than an American spectrum. Hence it shifts you to the right a bit (Americans are right-wing, by international standards).

That's the impression I get anyway.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 9:57 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
I think this test is more of an international spectrum than an American spectrum. Hence it shifts you to the right a bit (Americans are right-wing, by international standards).

Yes, but whosoever cares about the rest of the world's views or standards? We're AMERICANS, gorrammit! Hump every other perspective!!!

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:27 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Still unchanged from the last time we passed it around.

Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.77

In other words, an Anarchist.

-F

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
In other words, an Anarchist.

An honourable political pursuit. I'm just about there my own self.
This Tea-Party shit will cause our downfall.
Fear-based crap is no proper foundation for a belief system IMO.

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Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:48 PM

America loves a winner!

Fear based ? What a load of horseshit.

Anyone who doesn't stand up to the fascists on the Left might as well be fitted for their own little Mao caps now. Avoid the rush.

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Friday, April 18, 2014 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fear based ? What a load of horseshit.

Horseshit fear-based fascism is a way of life since 9-11.

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Friday, April 18, 2014 12:06 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fear based ? What a load of horseshit.
Horseshit fear-based fascism is a way of life since 9-11.

Which was how many years before the TEA party movement ? dumbass.

You've crossed the streams, Ray. Very bad.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, April 18, 2014 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Which was how many years before the TEA party movement ? dumbass.

WTF does that have to do with it??

Sorry, I forget your limitations & programming.

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Friday, April 18, 2014 12:26 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Which was how many years before the TEA party movement ? dumbass.
WTF does that have to do with it??

Sorry, I forget your limitations & programming.

Literally, what does the TEA party agenda of limited govt and lower taxes have to do w/ 9/11 ?

There is ZERO " fear " w/ the TEA Party platform, and yet YOU frelling toss it in there anyways. Stoopid Fembot.

You want real fear mongering ? How about the naacp running ads that warn of black churches being burned back in 1998 ? Pure unadulterated fear and lies, meant to do 1 thing, and that's feed hysteria into the black community.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, April 18, 2014 12:46 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Friday, April 18, 2014 1:09 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

( * Correction. The Democratic Party, not the naacp, ran the radio ad about churches blowing up. My bad. I got the 2 confused. How silly of me )

- Two years ago,( in 1998 ) the Missouri Democratic Party ran this radio ad: "When you don't vote, you let another church explode. When you don't vote, you allow another cross to burn. When you don't vote, you let another assault wound a brother or sister. When you don't vote, you let the Republicans continue to cut school lunches and Head Start." Only Fox reported on that ad.

http://newsbusters.org/node/8755

NAACP TV ads focusing on Bush and hate crimes
Posted: Wednesday, October 25, 2000
DEBORAH BARFIELD
(c) 2000, Newsday

WASHINGTON - The ad features Renee Mullins telling how she begged Texas Gov. George W. Bush to help pass a tougher hate-crime bill after her black father, James Byrd, from Jasper, Texas, was dragged to death by three white men in 1998.

"He just told me no," Mullins says.

A similar ad, scheduled to begin airing on television in a dozen key states Thursday and in black newspapers across the country, is one of several launched by the NAACP's National Voter Fund as part of its get-out-the-vote campaign. The NAACP is spending $2 million on the media drive.

In the final stretch of the close presidential election, the NAACP this week is focusing on Bush's record on hate-crime legislation in Texas, hoping to energize black voters and get them to the polls in record numbers.

"Hate-crime legislation is important, and we are about trying to educate and remind African-American people that there's a reason to be active, that there is a lot at stake," said Andrea Pringle, a spokeswoman for the NAACP National Voter Fund, a voter-registration and advocacy group.

Republicans call the ad nasty and negative and a desperate "divisive tactic" aiming at scaring black voters.

"We're seeing scare tactics all over the map," said Terry Holt, spokesman for Victory 2000, an arm of the Republican National Committee.

http://amarillo.com/stories/2000/10/25/new_naacp.shtml

" Hate Crimes " is one of the biggest phony issues in US history, at least before AGW. Per the nonsense that Bush wouldn't sign hate-law legislation in Texas, and it some how made Ms Mullins feel like her daddy had been killed, all over again, some reality.

Bush's courts sentenced 2 of the 3 men to death for their crime. The 3rd was sentenced to life. What the fuck would having the tag of 'hate crime' have done to those 3 dirtbags ? Would the 2 who were executed ( white guys, mind you ) be even MORE dead ?

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Friday, April 18, 2014 1:33 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Friday, April 18, 2014 8:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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" Hate Crimes " is one of the biggest phony issues in US history, at least before AGW.

Sometimes he is SO off the wall that he makes me shudder It just doesn't seem possible he's human, or has a brain, much less serious!

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Friday, April 18, 2014 8:55 AM

America loves a winner!

Niki - I assure you, I'm 100% serious on this hate crimes bullshit. A crime is a crime. You start assigning special caveats to favored groups, then you've lost the basic concept of JUSTICE for all.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, April 18, 2014 10:36 AM

I dunno, a murder is a murder regardless of emotional intent to me. I get murdered because someone hates the colour of my skin, or because they hate humanity in general make no real difference once I'm gone.
I WOULD, however, like to see a "Police Crimes" standard, that is, way tougher sentencing on violent crimes perpetrated by those in charge of public safety...

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Friday, April 18, 2014 1:36 PM

OONJERAH

^@Auraptor: Keep it simple, Stupid?

OK. Simplicity is good for those of us who are Attention Challenged.
Yet I find Motive to have Great relevance.

Quote Chris: "I WOULD, however, like to see a "Police Crimes" standard,
that is, way tougher sentencing on violent crimes perpetrated by those
in charge of public safety..."

Support your local Cops; they have a tough job to do.

Stories of flagrant murder/manslaughter of innocent citizens by cops
in just the last year or so have me appalled, edgy. While in recent
years, locally, I can view the Sheriffs as my protectors ... They seem
professional and decent.

We need law enforcement, but we need it without corruption. For that,
we have Internal Affairs! This works so well that we should just trust it?
Hmmmm.

That's a can of worms, Chris. Could you be more specific?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Friday, April 18, 2014 2:08 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
That's a can of worms, Chris. Could you be more specific?

Well, when you see stuff like in this video (You have to click 'continue')
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=adf_1367288211
and you realize that most of these guys got away with it, and THEN you have to wonder how much is never seen at all, you gotta ask why they hire such bullies (I know most cops are good guys, but these ones give 'em ALL a bad name)... Now that this is publicly viewable stuff, the idea that most cops are never called on this type of behaviour is the stuff of violent street reprisal. These bad cops make the working environment more dangerous for the majority of good ones.

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Friday, April 18, 2014 2:43 PM

OONJERAH

Blade Runner, 1982.

Bryant: Stop right where you are! You know the score, pal.
You're not cop, you're little people!

Deckard: No choice, huh?

Why don't we just fire 'em? The Bad Cops.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Friday, April 18, 2014 2:50 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

I don't freakin' believe this-- I came out right over there by Ghandi. I accept where that puts me on the libertarian/authoritarian scale, and also on the socialist/capitalist scale. But I'm no way as spiritualist as he was, and no way as pacifist.

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Friday, April 18, 2014 3:47 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:

Why don't we just fire 'em? The Bad Cops.

Code of silence.

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Friday, April 18, 2014 4:20 PM

OONJERAH

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Code of silence.

O -- I know that Code!

Yah learn it in Families.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

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Friday, April 18, 2014 10:47 PM