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Bush's Mysterious Bulge

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Friday, October 8, 2004 9:04 AM

SUCCATASH



Bush's mystery bulge
The rumor is flying around the globe. Was the president wired during the first debate?



Oct. 8, 2004
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/08/bulge/index_np.html

"Was President Bush literally channeling Karl Rove in his first debate with John Kerry? That's the latest rumor flooding the Internet, unleashed last week in the wake of an image caught by a television camera during the Miami debate. The image shows a large solid object between Bush's shoulder blades as he leans over the lectern and faces moderator Jim Lehrer.

The president is not known to wear a back brace, and it's safe to say he wasn't packing. So was the bulge under his well-tailored jacket a hidden receiver, picking up transmissions from someone offstage feeding the president answers through a hidden earpiece? Did the device explain why the normally ramrod-straight president seemed hunched over during much of the debate?"




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Friday, October 8, 2004 9:57 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


Perhaps it is an emergency measure, a truth device.....

If Bush starts to accidently tell the truth a moderate electrical shock stops him from spilling the beans concerning the real intentions of US foreign policy.



Would have been cool if it had of had the opposite effect

" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "

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Friday, October 8, 2004 9:59 AM

GOJIRO


That's just the puppeteer's hand and arm.

I'll bet both he and Cheney were wired. Cheney seemed to pull a lot of numbers out of his ass during his debate with Edwards.

If Bush was wired, though, it didn't work too well. All he said were the same tired phrases over and over again. It will be interesting to see what happens tonight ...

gojiro

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Friday, October 8, 2004 10:04 AM

GHOULMAN


... that explains why, after a concise question from Jim Lehrer, Bush suddenly broke into: "Car 54! Car54! Converge on the crack house at Jane and Finch!"

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Friday, October 8, 2004 10:27 AM

SOUPCATCHER


I don't buy it. At least not for the first debate. He just performed too poorly. It was clear to me that he was running out of steam and falling back on the same lines. I think we would have seen a much better performance if he was being told what to say. And there seems to be a question about the veracity of that 'bulge' picture (see following link).

The OrwellianTimes has a pretty good break-down of this story (I'll just excerpt a couple of sections here, but the entire entry is not that long):
http://www.orwelliantimes.com/2004/10/04.html#a437

As far as Bush's "Let me finish" line that people are using as evidence that he was getting fed answers, I think he just fell back on a familiar behavior pattern.
Quote:

excerpted from OrwellianTimes
UPDATE:

Here's a search on Project Vote Smart which looks for Bush saying "let me finish" in his public statements.[*] Boy, he says it a lot.


* here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/5pcuk (You have to scroll down to see the search results)

But has he ever worn a wire before? That's a different matter. There have been rumors about microphones picking up a voice speaking the lines before Bush says them.
Quote:

excerpted from OrwellianTimes
UPDATE 3: Here's a link to a tape from CNN with the weird voice.[*] While the voice sounds different, the inflections sound exactly the same -- to me. I think it's some technical out-of-synch thing, but . . .


* here's the link: http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/BushAndTheOddSync.wmv



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Friday, October 8, 2004 11:35 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


Oh come on, it is simply part of his sad medical condition:

http://www.brain-train.com/articles/computer.htm

After all, haven't we all noticed the signs:

attention/concentration
impulsivity
distractibility
cognitive endurance
thinking/performance speed
eye-hand coordination
learning/memory visual
tracking/scanning planning/organization
qualitycontrol/self-monitoring
problem-solving
sequencing
spatial analysis/synthesis
reasoning/abstraction
inattention/neglect

BTW I apologize to anyone who has such troubles in advance, but tell me, Am I really wrong ?




" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "

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Friday, October 8, 2004 12:12 PM

RADHIL


Quote:

The OrwellianTimes has a pretty good break-down of this story (I'll just excerpt a couple of sections here, but the entire entry is not that long):


Is it me, or when they compare pictures, are they not looking at the same moment in time at the debate film at all?

Either way... Meh. It wouldn't suprise me if it was a wire - more to coach and help then to feed W line by line would be my assumption - but it'd only be amusing, and not much else.

Radhil Trebors
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Friday, October 8, 2004 12:14 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER


Did anyone else's mind go to a much different and much more disturbing place when they read this subject line?


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Friday, October 8, 2004 12:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


"Remember, the enemy's gate is down."

That sounds like a line from Ender's Game.

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Friday, October 8, 2004 12:27 PM

INARAESQUE


Quote:

Originally posted by StarPilotGrainger:
Did anyone else's mind go to a much different and much more disturbing place when they read this subject line?



*sheepishly raises hand* I came here very dubiously as such, ready to close the window.

Instead? Iiiinteresting!

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Friday, October 8, 2004 12:41 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
"Remember, the enemy's gate is down."

That sounds like a line from Ender's Game.



It is. It's one of my favorite books, and, encapsulated in that line (for those who are familiar with the book and the context) is something I try to keep in mind: Sometimes changing how you view a situation makes all the difference.


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Friday, October 8, 2004 1:11 PM

SHINY


I think it's one of those blue hands brain-melty-wand-thingys...maybe Cheney uses it to keep Dubya in line... ;)

Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.

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Friday, October 8, 2004 2:17 PM

SOUPCATCHER


Quote:

Originally posted by Radhil:
Is it me, or when they compare pictures, are they not looking at the same moment in time at the debate film at all?

Either way... Meh. It wouldn't suprise me if it was a wire - more to coach and help then to feed W line by line would be my assumption - but it'd only be amusing, and not much else.

Radhil Trebors
Persona Under Construction


Yeah. And their picture is way fuzzy so it's hard to really see anything. That's why I only gave it a tentative mention rather than making a stronger statement about the bulge picture that 'Tash posted. I'm hoping that Snopes, or a similar site with a good track record, gets on the picture and has a more definitive judgement.

As far as the people who expected something else, perhaps of a more base nature, when they first read the title of the thread... Guilty as charged . It was like a train wreck, though. I couldn't not click (How's that for an awkward sentence?).


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Saturday, October 9, 2004 7:44 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Star Pilot- It's one of my favorite too. What are your other favs?


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Saturday, October 9, 2004 8:20 AM

SHINYLETO


I don't get it. What's the big deal here? It's a microphone. Lots of people use them to project their voices via speakers...

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 8:31 AM

STARPILOTGRAINGER


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Star Pilot- It's one of my favorite too. What are your other favs?




Oh, probably too many to list. Dune, 1984, the Grainger books, many more. :)

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 8:49 AM

SOUPCATCHER


Okay. Looks like the New York Times has verified that at least the photo is not doctored. So I withdraw my earlier statement. (Since I had to sign in to read the article, I'm not sure the link will go direct. I'll just reprint it here in its entirety - it's short):
Quote:

From NYT at http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/09/politics/campaign/09bulge.html?oref=
login

The Mystery of the Bulge in the Jacket
By ELISABETH BUMILLER

WASHINGTON, Oct. 8 - What was that bulge in the back of President Bush's suit jacket at the presidential debate in Miami last week?

According to rumors racing across the Internet this week, the rectangular bulge visible between Mr. Bush's shoulder blades was a radio receiver, getting answers from an offstage counselor into a hidden presidential earpiece. The prime suspect was Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's powerful political adviser.

When the online magazine Salon published an article about the rumors on Friday, the speculation reached such a pitch that White House and campaign officials were inundated with calls.

First they said that pictures showing the bulge might have been doctored. But then, when the bulge turned out to be clearly visible in the television footage of the evening, they offered a different explanation.

"There was nothing under his suit jacket," said Nicolle Devenish, a campaign spokeswoman.

"It was most likely a rumpling of that portion of his suit jacket, or a wrinkle in the fabric."

Ms. Devenish could not say why the "rumpling" was rectangular.

Nor was the bulge from a bulletproof vest, according to campaign and White House officials; they said Mr. Bush was not wearing one.



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Saturday, October 9, 2004 9:45 AM

MANIACNUMBERONE


Look away! look away! Nothing to see here. Do not look at the man behind the curtain. RAAAAAAARRRRR. I am the great and powerful OZ!

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 10:00 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Quote:

...it's a microphone. Lots of people use them to project their voices via speakers
But there was a microphone clearly visible in front of him as well ...

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Saturday, October 9, 2004 1:03 PM

OLDENGLANDDRY


My guess is any of the following:
1) The straps of a Kevlar vest (just in case).
2) The straps of a corsette (gotta look his best).
3) the straps of a bra (gotta have a hobby).
4)Piece of card marked "BACK" to match the one on his chest marked "FRONT".


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Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:38 AM

SUCCATASH


Quote:

Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
But has he ever worn a wire before? That's a different matter.

Here's a good video clip of the Bush/Chirac press conference. Seems clear that the "first" voice is telling Bush what to say.

http://www.strangefinger.com/bush-chirac.zip (MPG - 17 MB)









www.isbushwired.com


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Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:40 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


Just a dumb question...

You have these debates to judge these yokels performance to be your leader right ?

Wouldn't this be considered cheating ?


But really, shouldn't this disqualify Bush ?



Didn't this already happen to you in a previous election ?

http://www.actionfig.com/simpsons/db/data/1089032895_27688.JPG





" Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos"

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Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:44 AM

MANIACNUMBERONE


Bush is a puppet.

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Sunday, October 10, 2004 1:55 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Is the wire helping him out ?
here's a quote from blogs with a good little clip of the Bush Kerry debate

Quote:

Credible news organizations have taken a serious look at that and decided not to run the story," said Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel. "People have been spending too much time dealing with Internet conspiracies. It's ridiculous."

Still, the bulge drew the attention on Saturday of respected mainstream dailies The New York Times and The Washington Post.

"The Mystery of the Bulge in the Jacket," was the headline on the brief Times item which accompanied its extensive coverage of Friday's second presidential debate in St Louis, Missouri.

The Post ran a much longer story under the headline: "Bulge Under President's Coat in First Debate Stirs Speculation."

Political web logs, or blogs, have been buzzing about the bulge since the first presidential debate in Miami on Sept 30. The rectangular protrusion in the middle of Bush's back is visible in news photos and television footage



Was Bush being coached during his debate with Kerry?

When I was watching the debate, I remember Bush saying "let me finish", but it went by so quickly I didn't think much about it. Then I saw Jon Stewart's Daily News Show that highlighted it

watched and listened to the entire debate again and I believe somebody was communicating with him. The "let me finish" was the proof positive but I as I watched, I realized that is the reason his speaking patterns are so annoying to me. I noticed that when he is listing items, he gives one, then a long pause

...Bush said: "And that's not how a commander-in-chief acts..." Then he stumbled over himself, sputtering incomprehensible sounds. Then, in an annnoyed tone, he snarled: "Now let me finish!"

Two points about that "Now let me finish!": 1. He seems genuinely irritated, as though someone had just interrupted him. 2. In fact, no-one had interrupted him.

Was he addressing Jim Lehrer? No, because the odd interjection came long before the flashing lights warned that his 90 seconds were up. Neither Lehrer nor Kerry had attempted to jump in. Bush's expression of irritation appears to have been directed at someone speaking to him, someone unheard by anyone else in the room.

This theory goes a long ways toward explaining the president's consistently odd speech patterns -- the cavernous pauses punctuating sharp volleys of sound.

It should be noted that this is not the first time sharp observers have found reason to accuse Bush of using an earpiece


During the Presidential Debate Bush made what may be his most costly error- he exposed that he’s using an earpiece to help him answer debate questions. In the middle of an answer bush said, "now let me finish" as if someone was interrupting him - yet nobody did - he was talking to the person in his earpiece.

The ’let me finish’ quip was clearly bush talking to someone (probably Rove) in his earpiece- saying ’let me finish’ (before you give me the next answer). He blows it 60 seconds into his 90 second reply- so no warning lights had gone off and the moderator had not motioned for him to end as there was plenty of time left.


. Here's a small clip from the Bush / Kerry debate.
As you can see from the video clip the wire / wrinkle has been
Good for Bush

http://www.pleasurecaptains.com/favor/howsmall.html .
The debates were a good way to see what each of them had thought about the next few months, what had gone before and the future. Bush made a big mess of the first debate and polls have put Kerry ahead since.

Here's a small clip with highlights from the Bush / Kerry debate

http://www.ericblumrich.com/wmf/switch.wmv

Small video clip of Kerry / Bush debate

It will be a very close election.
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news from Turkish paper and Minneapolis-star

http://www.turkishpress.com/turkishpress/news.asp?ID=30226

http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5023828.html



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Monday, October 11, 2004 7:16 AM

XKXXKX


It's called a SPINE!!!

Object Under Bush Jacket Identified: 'It's a Spine'
(2004-10-11) -- A forensic scientist studying photographic evidence has identified an object which caused a bump on the back of a suit jacket worn by President George Bush during his first debate with John Forbes Kerry.

"It's a spine," said the unnamed scientist. "The president's backbone, in a sense, was showing during his debate with Mr. Kerry."

Similar images of Mr. Kerry showed "no comparable spinal features."

When asked about the new evidence, Mr. Kerry said, "I had a spine when I defended this country as a young man, and I will have one again when I defend her as president of the United States."

let's roll

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Monday, October 11, 2004 8:31 AM

SGTGUMP


I know exactly what it is. It is a small parachute. You know the ones that people were selling so that you could escape a high rise building during a terrorist attack. As we all know, we are going to be attacked again and soon. Unfortunately, the President didn't understand why it wouldn't work in a two story building. Hope this clears up any confusion.

"Of course it's a good idea" - God

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Monday, October 11, 2004 9:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Actually, I remember seeing this kind of speech pattern during (I think) the debate with Gore. Bush would get this "deer-in-the-headlights" look and pause for a disconcerting time. I wondered that nobody else seemed to notice. It just seemed to me that Bush was attentive to somehting else for several seconds- like he was waiting for the answer. I guess he was!

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Monday, October 11, 2004 9:12 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Okay. Looks like the New York Times has verified that at least the photo is not doctored. So I withdraw my earlier statement. (Since I had to sign in to read the article, I'm not sure the link will go direct. I'll just reprint it here in its entirety - it's short):
Quote:

From NYT at http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/09/politics/campaign/09bulge.html?oref=
login

The Mystery of the Bulge in the Jacket
By ELISABETH BUMILLER

WASHINGTON, Oct. 8 - What was that bulge in the back of President Bush's suit jacket at the presidential debate in Miami last week?...

...Nor was the bulge from a bulletproof vest, according to campaign and White House officials; they said Mr. Bush was not wearing one.






I'm still betting on body armor, regardless of what the campaign and White House officials say. I doubt that the Secret Service is going to allow them to give out any information on the President's security, and probably told them to flat deny it. The campaign wouldn't want to admit it anyway, even if it is a regular precaution.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, October 11, 2004 9:16 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I've seen bullet-proof vests under clothes and they don't look like that. They just make the person wearing them look... uh... thick. There is no purpose to a "box" between the shoulder blades.

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Monday, October 11, 2004 9:53 AM

RHYMEPHILE


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
I've seen bullet-proof vests under clothes and they don't look like that. They just make the person wearing them look... uh... thick. There is no purpose to a "box" between the shoulder blades.



Well then, where else do they put the batteries that make him walk and talk like a real boy?

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Monday, October 11, 2004 1:19 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:18 AM

PIXLPSHR


I've done extensive studies of the footage from all 3 debates, and while the bulge is visible on Bush's back on more then one occasion, a similar bulge NEVER appears on John Kerry's back. This fact, and listening to the two candidates comments leads me to the inevitable conclusion that Bush's bulge is quite simply... his back bone.

W04

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Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:54 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Quite a weird hump. He should have that looked into.

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Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:39 PM

EBONEZER


Quote:

Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
Bush is a puppet.



Yeah, but who's holding the strings?

I gotta thought. What if he did have a transmitter dohicky on his back, but it wasn't working. That would explain his poor performance at the debates yes? He was depending on it to work, and it didn't, leaving him all...screwed.

On another note, is there anyone on the west coast who listens to Mark and Brian? They're this talk show that airs in the mornings from 6-10 am, and they talk about random stuff and are usually really really funny.

Anyway, shortly after this news broke they aired this sketch (that they did a long time ago, when everybody had these same conspiracy theories about Dan Quail (is that the right guy?) anyway, you can totaly see Bush getting up there and mimicing exactly what he's hearing over the earpiece:

"Being president, you know, its hard work. Stand up straight, make eyecontact with the camera, don't say that! With me back in office in 05' stand up straight. Don't say that! Mr. President, don't say everything I say, DON'T SAY THAT! By getting Saddam out of power we have, now say this next part really sincerly, I SAID DON'T SAY THAT YOU DERRANGED APE MAN!"

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Saturday, October 23, 2004 5:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


OMG!!! I almost peed my pants reading this!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.... (gasp!!!!)......HAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh thanks SOOO much for the big laugh!! Now I gotta go pee!!!


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